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CISPA, which critics insist erodes consumer privacy under the pretense of "cybersecurity," has passed the House with a vote of 288 to 127. CISPA isn't seeing the kind of corporate opposition SOPA did (read: Google) because in many instances it protect companies from being fast and loose with personal data, which is why it has the support of companies like AT&T and Verizon.

CISPA also delivers billions in marginally-accountable government contracts for security companies who sell fear and battle phantoms for a living, like the wife of CISPA sponsor Rep. Mike Rogers. Senate passage may be unlikely, particularly as activists increase opposition and public attention focuses. The Obama administration has also promised a veto if the bill lacks meaningful privacy protections, for whatever that winds up being worth.

Update: the full voting breakdown is here.
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brianiscool
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Lets just give away everything.

Don't worry kids in the future you will have no more rights. Police can just come into your household and arrest you on no warrant. They can't tap everything you do on the internet , cell phone ect..

AnonPerson
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Re: Lets just give away everything.

One step closer to a revolution

Look in history, unchecked government almost always leads to a revolution or collapse.

ArrayList
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ArrayList

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Re: Lets just give away everything.

pretty sure americans are too lazy to do that.
brianiscool
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Re: Lets just give away everything.

You hurt my fat typing this.

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ArrayList

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Re: Lets just give away everything.

I'm impressed that I even got a response.
CXM_Splicer
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Re: Lets just give away everything.

Perhaps there is hope for us yet.

bobjohnson
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said by ArrayList:

I'm impressed that I even got a response.

Public approval for this post... I am impressed as well.
openbox9
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What does this bill give away? Nothing. It's designed to aid with the sharing of classified threat information.

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ArrayList

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Re: Lets just give away everything.

and so much more.
openbox9
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openbox9

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Re: Lets just give away everything.

Such as?

Chaplain
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Chaplain

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Re: Lets just give away everything.

Your faith in the government is refreshing. I applaud your patriotism.
openbox9
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Re: Lets just give away everything.

Until someone answers the question, I will keep asking. Otherwise, I'll chalk the FUD up to what it is.

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Such as?

Lets do some critical thinking here...Big teleco corporations and some other big corporations are pushing hard for it, the ones that are screaming NO! to it, are 14 year olds....Hmm...Something is definitely wrong with the cispa bill. It's basically an internet patriot act, except the patriot act has nothing patriotic about it.

BigBroWatchU

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Yes

Yes finally Im glad that this pass, who needs privacy
silbaco
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CISPA

No surprise here.

Gozo8
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I'd rather be secure and safe than dead.

After what happened on the 15th I have no problem with all online and phone activities being recorded to prevent another tragedy.

The 2nd and 4th amendments are novel ideas but don't work in today's society. Too many people are dying because a few stubborn choose to hold tightly onto these ancient/outdated "ideals".

IMHO, CISPA doesn't go far enough to protect us from terrorists, online predators and pedophiles.
kaila
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Re: I'd rather be secure and safe than dead.

Yes because government in alliance with, and handing over power to corporations has worked so well in the past (read fascism).....
openbox9
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Re: I'd rather be secure and safe than dead.

And this bill doesn't do that.
Beans5
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If those two admendments go away, you will be screwed badly.
Kearnstd
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Oh I can just feel my safety increasing already.....

This bill will not do a damn thing to stop what happened on Monday. You have honestly been blinded by the media machine, The simple fact is that people who intend to do bad things will find ways to hide their communications either with prepaid phones or use of VPNs to links outside the US.

Bills like CISPA are only to make the sheep feel safer while giving the government power it has never deserved.

FFH5
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Re: I'd rather be secure and safe than dead.

said by Kearnstd:

Oh I can just feel my safety increasing already.....

This bill will not do a damn thing to stop what happened on Monday. You have honestly been blinded by the media machine, The simple fact is that people who intend to do bad things will find ways to hide their communications either with prepaid phones or use of VPNs to links outside the US.

Bills like CISPA are only to make the sheep feel safer while giving the government power it has never deserved.

Except CISPA isn't about safety or spying at all. It is about corporations and government sharing info to stop or capture online hackers and increase cybersecurity.

SimbaSeven
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Re: I'd rather be secure and safe than dead.

said by FFH5:

Except CISPA isn't about safety or spying at all. It is about corporations and government sharing info to stop or capture online hackers and increase cybersecurity.

Ya, you can only sugar coat bullsh*t so much. Look deeper.

Corporations (ie. your ISP and phone company) can give the government anything they want and look through anyone's traffic. Same as spying.
openbox9
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Re: I'd rather be secure and safe than dead.

Can't look much deeper than read the text of the proposed legislation.
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Corporations (ie. your ISP and phone company) can give the government anything they want and look through anyone's traffic. Same as spying.

This bill is more about the government sharing classified threat information with the private sector; which manages a large portion of our nation's critical infrastructure. This is about National Security (not the spook, spy on you kind, but the actual security of our nation's interests)
openbox9

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What power does this bill give government that it doesn't deserve? IThis bill is about sharing threat information to help protect our nation's critical infrastructure.
MaynardKrebs
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said by Gozo8:

After what happened on the 15th I have no problem with all online and phone activities being recorded to prevent another tragedy.

The 2nd and 4th amendments are novel ideas but don't work in today's society. Too many people are dying because a few stubborn choose to hold tightly onto these ancient/outdated "ideals".

IMHO, CISPA doesn't go far enough to protect us from terrorists, online predators and pedophiles.

How would this Bill protect anyone from what happened on the 15th in Boston if the perp acted alone and didn't use e-mail, forums, web surfing, or a phone to plan & carry out the act?

Your world-view is touchingly reminiscent of both Fascist & Communist totalitarian regimes. You'd probably feel right at home in North Korean.
moonpuppy (banned)
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said by Gozo8:

After what happened on the 15th I have no problem with all online and phone activities being recorded to prevent another tragedy.

The 2nd and 4th amendments are novel ideas but don't work in today's society. Too many people are dying because a few stubborn choose to hold tightly onto these ancient/outdated "ideals".

IMHO, CISPA doesn't go far enough to protect us from terrorists, online predators and pedophiles.

Why stop there? Let's trash them all starting with the 1st Amendment. Free speech be damned, we need civility.

clone (banned)
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said by Gozo8:

After what happened on the 15th I have no problem with all online and phone activities being recorded to prevent another tragedy.

The 2nd and 4th amendments are novel ideas but don't work in today's society. Too many people are dying because a few stubborn choose to hold tightly onto these ancient/outdated "ideals".

IMHO, CISPA doesn't go far enough to protect us from terrorists, online predators and pedophiles.

RED ALERT! RED ALERT! PAID SHILL, CHANGE AGENT/PROPAGANDIST, AND/OR 14 YEAR OLD POSTING ABOVE!

Use Google, my scared shitless one. Terror, pedophilia, and overall violent crime are at their lowest levels in decades. Turn off the news and go live your life.

We will not be giving up our rights because of the few of you who stay glued to CNN and FOX all day can no longer hold your bowels due to fear. Nice try, though.

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Re: I'd rather be secure and safe than dead.

said by clone:

said by Gozo8:

After what happened on the 15th I have no problem with all online and phone activities being recorded to prevent another tragedy.

The 2nd and 4th amendments are novel ideas but don't work in today's society. Too many people are dying because a few stubborn choose to hold tightly onto these ancient/outdated "ideals".

IMHO, CISPA doesn't go far enough to protect us from terrorists, online predators and pedophiles.

RED ALERT! RED ALERT! PAID SHILL, CHANGE AGENT/PROPAGANDIST, AND/OR 14 YEAR OLD POSTING ABOVE!

Use Google, my scared shitless one. Terror, pedophilia, and overall violent crime are at their lowest levels in decades. Turn off the news and go live your life.

We will not be giving up our rights because of the few of you who stay glued to CNN and FOX all day can no longer hold your bowels due to fear. Nice try, though.

I read it as more like sarcasm than trolling.

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said by Gozo8:

After what happened on the 15th I have no problem with all online and phone activities being recorded to prevent another tragedy.

The 2nd and 4th amendments are novel ideas but don't work in today's society. Too many people are dying because a few stubborn choose to hold tightly onto these ancient/outdated "ideals".

IMHO, CISPA doesn't go far enough to protect us from terrorists, online predators and pedophiles.

Those "outdated ideals" are the foundation of our country, and are part of what makes it great. You can't simply set aside those "outdated ideals" when it is convenient.
Skippy25
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You are so right Bozo. But I think what they really need to do is make a national registry and restrict sales of backpacks, pressure cookers, ball bearings and nails.

NOBODY should ever be allowed to purchase those items without an extensive background and mental check. What are we thinking?
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miser
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

Please tell me you are not serious and do not actually believe what you just wrote. Ancient/outdated ideals? My jaw is broken from hitting the desk and I have no words.

Either that or my sarcasm detector is broke ...

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This reads like a troll post, but I do feed trolls sometimes.

If any part of the Constitution is outdated, why not submit an Amendment to it to repeal it? Surely if it were really outdated, 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of state legislatures would agree right?
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So how were the events on the 15th due to an online aspect?
Perhaps they should just go door to door and search everyone's house without a warrant?

skeechan
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Yep because with CISPA there will no longer be any terrorists, online predators or pedophiles.

Brian_M
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."

It was as true in 1775 when Ben Franklin first spoke those words as it is today. Don't, not for one second, think that the Gov. has any interest in protecting You, the individual.

Rogue Wolf
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Imagine how safe you'd be in prison! Give it a little time; in the world you envision, somebody will come up with a reason to put you there. You'll be nice and safe from the outside world and all its freedoms dangers!
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SimbaSeven
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I have a better idea, let's turn communist. That way you have no rights, can not speak your mind, and are.. basically.. mind-controlled zombies. That's what everyone wants, right? They want "protection" from the evil world.

It's still idiotic for saying that our Constitution and Bill of Rights are "Ancient/Outdated ideals". If it wasn't for them, there would be no United States. We'd be just another British nation or (if we'd lost WW2) German. Plus, there was a time when Americans fought for what they believed in. Too bad we're too darn lazy and scared now to do what's right.

..and we lost our morals a long time ago. Maybe this country needs a reboot.. as in fire everyone and start over.

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And when the government gets to record everything, and we continue exploding...then what? You think they'll give back that authority when the "safety" trade-off turns out to be a farce?

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Look at England, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They function perfectly fine without these outdated amendments.

As for the 2nd amendment, American civilians don't need weapons of war, this isn't 1776. IMHO, all guns should be banned and hunters can rent space at the local gun club to store their weapons.

I happen to think the police should be allowed to enter a residence without a warrant and not have to worry about encountering some armed toothless hillbilly or greasy gang banger. The truth is, these silly procedures just allow terrorists, druggies and other ne'er-do-wells destroy evidence.

Our men and women in uniform should always have the element on surprise and every tool at their disposal to stay safe. They should be record and save all phone calls, emails and other media so if there is another tragedy like what happened on Boston, they can quickly type in a couple of keywords and find the bastards responsible in hours instead of YEARS!

The 4th amendment is nothing but a hindrance to the forward progression of our nation, sure the idea is novel on paper but it's very outdated and don't apply to the threats and challenges of today.

If you have nothing to hide and you've done nothing wrong then you shouldn't worry about the police coming to your door to begin with. I've never gotten a speeding ticket because, I DONT SPEED!

The point of CISPA is to crack down on terrorists, movie/music pirates and child predators, that's all and if you're not one of these guys then you have NOTHING to worry about.

It's just that simple folks.

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kerya666
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said by Gozo8:

After what happened on the 15th I have no problem with all online and phone activities being recorded to prevent another tragedy.

The 2nd and 4th amendments are novel ideas but don't work in today's society. Too many people are dying because a few stubborn choose to hold tightly onto these ancient/outdated "ideals".

IMHO, CISPA doesn't go far enough to protect us from terrorists, online predators and pedophiles.

I hope you are joking... otherwise you win the most gullible person of the week award.

Oh_No
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Anti-Americans

196 Republicans voted for it
29 Republicans voted against it
92 Democrats voted for it
98 Democrats against.

Wow democrats are more conservative as more of them voted against this.

Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA)
CISPA is a bill that would allow companies to bypass all existing privacy law to spy on communications and pass sensitive user data to the government.
It basically legitimizes all the warrant-less spying they already do.

No real conservative would vote for this.

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bsdaiwa
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NRA - PLS Send Help

Where is the NRA when you need them? Why aren't those that are against background checks for gun purchases up in arms over this?
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Re: NRA - PLS Send Help

Everyone would have to pay another $1000 membership fee, Congressmen bill by the vote

skeechan
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They're too busy making sure crazy people can get firearms.

battleop
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If it fails...

Will Barry surround him self with children and thrown a temper tantrum while Joe cries in the back ground because they don't get their way?

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meeeeeeeeee
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So fitting

Fat, stupid, lazy sheeple get the government they deserve.
tmc8080
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make a list and keep checking it

on issues from broadand to gun control, you need to see who's selling you out and stop voting for a party and vote for your ISSUES!!!

check how they vote on issues YOU care about!!!

»www.govtrack.us/congress/votes

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Whether yay or nay, fine...WTF with NV?

If you can't be bothered with voting, if you can't be bothered with doing your job, you shouldn't be paid.

hyphenated
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Coincide

Interesting nevertheless:

»NSA Would Prefer You Not Photograph Their New Snooping Warehouse

This bill+new billion dollar data center = ____?

Someone once said, all your data are belong to us
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Re: Coincide

said by hyphenated :

»NSA Would Prefer You Not Photograph Their New Snooping Warehouse

This bill+new billion dollar data center = ____?

Equals a tinfoil hat?
old_wiz_60
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Money..

talks..Corporate bribery hugely trumps any such silly things as personal privacy, fair use, or anything else.

We have the worst government money can buy.

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Re: Money..

So, basically, people doing exactly what terrorists what, which is to instill fear amongst the populace.
They may not have that as their explicit goal, but all the same - it's working quite nicely for them right now.

The worst part is, no one seems to really care anymore, about what goes on in DC, or mostly anywhere else unless it is some sort of bad event (e.g. the attack in Boston, etc.).

It seems the majority of Americans are more preoccupied with their own lives to care about anything other than what's on the news when they get home (basically, 'bad event #512', 'criminal court case #2000', '5 people arrested at Anytown, USA').

Of course, the only things that drive people out from their own lives to actually take some sort of stance about an issue seem to be what kind of welfare or benefits they receive from the Government or what kind of attack was committed in Anytown, USA and how can the Government/Military stop this from getting any closer to their hometowns.

I'm not happy about this one bit.

The majority of people don't seem to think past their next welfare check or attack event, and if they would just do that maybe we could actually get some sort of logical thought in the political system we have right now instead of this crazy emotionally-and-money-driven scheme perpetuated by basically everyone out there.

It sounds like to me, the majority of Americans are slowly being desensitized to caring about the actual issue and more about the results.

What we need is less lobbying (aka, bribing), less money in politics, and less emotional responses all around.

Unfortunately, for humanity as whole, emotion pretty much trumps logical thought in all aspects for consideration.

MountainMan
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Well...time to prepare.

High time to start using the HTTPS Everywhere extensions, and other tools from the EFF.
We may not be able to stop this dangerous precedent, but we can fight back somewhat.

Encrypt everything you can, mundane things, choke the system.

In CO, Diana DeGette and Jared Polis (The house jester who put "The Internet Is For Porn" song into the official congressional record) voted against this. They know what time it is.

I hope the ordinary people who say they support this are being sarcastic. This would do little, if anything, to prevent "terror attacks" and "keep you safe". Remember, "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."

Chaplain
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Re: Well...time to prepare.

A good comment post on Reddit today with ideas on how to take back your privacy:

»www.reddit.com/r/politic ··· /c9i4l53

Camaro
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Distgusting

Amazing that these dirty little bitches in plain english got this through when the whole country's attention is on Boston and Texas. Always good to know that no matter how shitty our society has become that there are companies always putting themselves above anything good for us common folks.

I can't type anymore I need to go vomit.
old_wiz_60
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Bribery...

is very important to Congress - they need the money. Besides, Congress is pretty much in control of corporations anyway.

Personal info is going to be shared, no matter what the law says.

Bribery works SO well these days, whether it's Congress, the White House, the SCOTUS, the FCC, the DOJ, or the FTC. They are all open to bribes in one form or another.

Since voters can't cough up enough money, they get shafted. The only time Congress displays interest in voters is when they are running for re-election, and then they simply hope people will forget they voted in favor of corporations.