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CISPA Sponsor Promises New CISPA Bill

Sponsor Dutch Ruppersberger Says He's Working on Concerns

by Karl Bode

Friday Feb 08 2013 09:44 EDT

Last year the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, or CISPA, was shot down after consumer advocates and others argued that it used artificially-inflated cyber-security fears to expand the government's ever-larger powers of domestic surveillance with only paltry safeguards. The law was shot down, but one of the bill's sponsors, Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, is busy promising that a new version of the bill is currently in the works.

Ruppersberger of course claims that he's working with the White House on addressing concerns, but as Mike Masnick at Techdirt notes -- nobody's acknowledging that existing regulations are probably enough, and all we appear to be accomplishing is scare mongering while eroding privacy protections:

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...there's one big issue that no one has answered. There's plenty of talk about how cybersecurity is a big problem and we're "under siege" and all of that nonsense. But no one seems willing to explain what about current regulations are getting in the way of an effective response to any such "threats"? And that's a problem, because the proposed bills don't seem to do anything in terms of tweaking a specific issue to solve a problem. Instead, they more or less wipe out large, important rules across the board, all because someone screams "it's for cybersecurity!!!!"

There's also the tiny fact that this administration (or any White House administration in recent memory) has never had any interest in protecting civilian privacy rights -- making it unlikely the new CISPA will be any better than the old CISPA.

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NoHereNoMo join:2012-12-06 1 recommendation	NoHereNoMo Member 2013-Feb-8 9:50 am "Under siege"? The only group I feel under siege from 99% of the time is the government, esp. Congress.
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2013-Feb-8 11:40 am

Re: "Under siege"?

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There's plenty of talk about how cybersecurity is a big problem and we're "under siege" and all of that nonsense

We are under siege.
»www.atimes.com/atimes/Gl ··· j02.html
»www.cbsnews.com/8301-185 ··· attacks/
»www.cnn.com/2013/02/01/t ··· dex.html

Those who think we aren't under attack are sadly deluded and have their head in the ground like an ostrich.

There can be much discussion on how to deal with the attacks, but claiming they don't exist is stupid.

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NoHereNoMo join:2012-12-06 1 recommendation	NoHereNoMo Member 2013-Feb-8 3:40 pm Re: "Under siege"? I think you didn't understand what I was saying.
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2013-Feb-8 11:13 am

Why does any government NEED to regulate the internet?

Whats so bad about it being the "wild wild west"? Yeah yeah I know the soccer moms will say cus muh babeh's feelingzz/cyber "bullying", but thats not a good enough reason to ass rape the rest of the country and take away our privacy/rights(which is exactly what any internet censorship bill/anit-piracy bill will do)

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2013-Feb-8 12:42 pm

Re: Why does any government NEED to regulate the internet?

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Whats so bad about it being the "wild wild west"?

The fact that our national security depends on a "known and trusted" Internet. With the amount of our nation's critical infrastructure that is intertwined with the Internet, we can't afford a while west.

CISPA wasn't about regulating the Internet, regardless of what privacy advocates claimed. It was about allowing/enabling the sharing of threat information between the government (largely the IC) and private industry for the protection of critical infrastructure.

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2013-Feb-8 12:47 pm

Re: Why does any government NEED to regulate the internet?

Then the government needs to get off of the internet and do something else. National security is a noble goal, but if it costs us our freedom, privacy, and rights what good is there really no better way to do it? Computers, especially the internet, used to be about freedom and having no limits the government wants to change that near as I can tell. I wont let it go without a fight.

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2013-Feb-8 12:53 pm

Re: Why does any government NEED to regulate the internet?

Did you read the proposed CISPA legislation? Not the "news" outlets' stories, but the actual proposed bill.

The Internet is not going away. We simply can't afford to not leverage the Internet for our nation's infrastructure. It is a National Security (in the broad sense, not a NSA spook-wise manner) issue.

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...and there's the problem... The government should NEVER share resources like this with the private sector ( meaning use the same infrastructure). These should happen only at specific points where the governmental need to interface with the public. By definition, the internet is NOT "known NOR is it a trusted system" ...and trusted systems mean something to the government. If the government would use their own network most of these problems would be solved...

CISPA will never regulate "the internet", as the internet is not own solely by one group or stakeholder. The most that can happen is that the US can control aspects of their part of the internet to a limited extent.

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2013-Feb-8 4:53 pm

Re: Why does any government NEED to regulate the internet?

said by jjeffeory:

...and there's the problem... The government should NEVER share resources like this with the private sector ( meaning use the same infrastructure).

This isn't about the government, this is about our nation's infrastructure.

said by jjeffeory:

CISPA will never regulate "the internet", as the internet is not own solely by one group or stakeholder.

I said this isn't about regulating the Internet.

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2013-Feb-8 8:35 pm

Re: Why does any government NEED to regulate the internet?

There really is no "national" infrastructure. It's a collective of private companies' infrastructure that's at risk. "The Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) is a proposed law in the United States which would allow for the sharing of Internet traffic information between the U.S. government and certain technology and manufacturing companies. The stated aim of the bill is to help the U.S government investigate cyber threats and ensure the security of networks against cyberattack."

So it looks like the bill is trying to regulate the Internet to me. Only, they don't control it.

It's a pretty complicated issue for sure.

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2013-Feb-8 10:10 pm

Re: Why does any government NEED to regulate the internet?

Where do you see regulation? The bill was about easing the sharing of classified threat information with private industry (and vice versa with proprietary, potentially damaging intrusion/attack info from the private sector to the government with minimal/no retribution) so that they may better protect the infrastructure. Our nation's infrastructure, regardless of who owns, maintains, or protects it, is a National Security issue.

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Camaro Question everything Premium Member join:2008-04-05 Westfield, MA	Camaro to jjeffeory Premium Member 2013-Feb-9 5:24 pm to jjeffeory said by jjeffeory: ...and there's the problem... The government should NEVER share resources like this with the private sector If it wasn't for the private sector the government would be broke and they wouldn't know a damn thing that is going in the country. (Reference to the spying)
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said by me1212:

The soccer moms will say cus muh babeh's feelingzz/cyber "bullying", but thats not a good enough reason to ass rape the rest of the country and take away our privacy/rights

No different then infringing on the second amendment simply because one guy first had to murder his own mother to obtain weapons he could not have legally obtained in the first place.

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me1212 join:2008-11-20 Lees Summit, MO	me1212 Member 2013-Feb-8 1:54 pm Re: Why does any government NEED to regulate the internet? I agree. I support an open and free internet as much as gun rights. He who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither.
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jjeffeory jjeffeory join:2002-12-04 Bloomington, IN	jjeffeory to me1212 Member 2013-Feb-8 2:12 pm to me1212 Same reasons we need government to regulate the real world.
	2013-Feb-8 2:12 pm: · hey mods ·

me1212 join:2008-11-20 Lees Summit, MO	me1212 Member 2013-Feb-8 2:17 pm Re: Why does any government NEED to regulate the internet? Except its not the real world. I agree we need on-line businesses regulated, but thats real world businesses going on line so its different.
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jjeffeory jjeffeory join:2002-12-04 Bloomington, IN	jjeffeory Member 2013-Feb-8 8:30 pm Re: Why does any government NEED to regulate the internet? I agree with you to a point, but the internet has become another part of the real world, especially regarding ethics. It's just as important as many parallels in the real world these days. The more people use something the more real it becomes unfortunately.
	2013-Feb-8 8:30 pm: · hey mods ·

mromero Premium Member join:2000-12-07 Fullerton, CA	mromero Premium Member 2013-Feb-8 10:55 pm Obama will introduce cybersecurity executive order »www.theverge.com/2013/2/ ··· he-union
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FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ	FFH5 Premium Member 2013-Feb-9 5:20 am Re: Obama will introduce cybersecurity executive order said by mromero: »www.theverge.com/2013/2/ ··· he-union Yes. Who needs a new bill. We get CISPA in an exec order anyway: »www.theverge.com/2013/2/ ··· he-union
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GlobalMind Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy Premium Member join:2001-10-29 Indianapolis, IN	GlobalMind Premium Member 2013-Feb-9 10:42 pm Too funny. Dutch was my soccer coach like 30 years ago.
	2013-Feb-9 10:42 pm: · hey mods ·

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Too funny.