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CNET Sticks By Verizon P2P Story
Says Verizon repeatedly implied they were booting users...
by Karl Bode Monday 25-Jan-2010 tags: Fileswapping · business
Last week CNET reported that Verizon had started kicking users who transmit copyrighted content off of their network, something a Verizon official seemingly confirmed at the time. Broadband Reports subsequently spoke to Verizon and were told that the CNET story was not true, and that CNET had misquoted a Verizon official. Verizon informed us that while the company "reserves the right" to boot BitTorrent and other users off of the network, no users had been kicked off yet. CNET has since posted a follow up report claiming they're sticking by their story, and explaining why.

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According to CNET, Verizon informed the website that the company had in fact terminated the accounts of customers, first saying "we've cut some people off," and when asked how many replying "we don't give out these numbers," but adding "they are small." So why is Verizon clearly inferring that they boot customers off of the network, then turning around and denying it?

As we noted last week, it seems like Verizon wants to give the impression they're willing to terminate user accounts -- without actually losing the revenue from those customers. Why? Verizon hopes that a letter notification campaign to P2P users will be enough to keep the entertainment industry off of Verizon's back, and stall possible regulation that could force them to adopt a real "graduated response" or "three strikes" anti-piracy platform.

What happens now that Verizon's bluff has been called isn't clear. Most users who receive these letters will likely heed the warning. But how effective will the campaign be over time if the threat isn't supported by actual account disconnection? If Verizon wants to proceed down this path they'll ultimately have to actually terminate connections -- and as we've discussed at lenghth, that's a policy that's rife with problems -- and for now, not required by law.

In their follow up CNET is incorrect on one point. The website claims that "to date, not a single major ISP has publicly acknowledged adopting a graduated response." As we confirmed back in late 2008 with the company, Cox Communications has been kicking users who transfer copyrighted material off of the network, though Cox has long insisted to us that the actual number of booted customers is minuscule.

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winsyrstrife
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I wonder

If any ISP that actually boots users who violate copyrighted material has put together a think tank to analyze the changes in bandwidth utilization in relation to terminated accounts?

% of top bandwidth users / active accounts ~ % of reduction in top bandwidth users / terminated accounts ?

Just something that came to mind.
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Re: I wonder

Why would they stop to analyze that?

If things are as the ISP's claim - ie. P2P users are swamping their networks with traffic and slowing things down for everyone, then the simple act of kicking p2p users off would obviate ANY rationale for continuing with higher rates, throttles, DPI, and caps.

Pathfinder
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Still a non-story

until any user can be confirmed as being kicked off for P2P.

BF69
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Re: Still a non-story

said by Pathfinder:

until any user can be confirmed as being kicked off for P2P.
CNET does have it's fair share of idiots working for it. Wouldn't shock me if they made it up.
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Do not expect the truth from big business.

Remember it is the same company that is charging customers $1.99 phantom fees when not using data and charging customers fees that are not disclosed when receiving a quotation for monthly rates. Why think the truth will be told regarding cutting off customers.

Pathfinder
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Re: Do not expect the truth from big business.

Fine, then let a customer tell us that they've been cut off.

EUS
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Re: Do not expect the truth from big business.

That might be a hard thing to do without wan access.

BF69
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Re: Do not expect the truth from big business.

said by EUS:

That might be a hard thing to do without wan access.
Maybe they should stop downloading things illegally and pay the fricken 99 cents for a song. Geez. Working 4 hours a week at Burger King for minimum wage is enough cash after taxes to buy 1200 songs a year. ZERO excuses.

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Re: Do not expect the truth from big business.

said by BF69:

said by EUS:

That might be a hard thing to do without wan access.
Maybe they should stop downloading things illegally and pay the fricken 99 cents for a song. Geez. Working 4 hours a week at Burger King for minimum wage is enough cash after taxes to buy 1200 songs a year. ZERO excuses.
Your post has nothing to do with either my comment, or the comment I was replying to.
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Re: Do not expect the truth from big business.

It's because the turkey you're replying to is a RIAA hack, and even worse, a Rays fan.

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said by EUS:

That might be a hard thing to do without wan access.
Verizon is the only access available?

EUS
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Re: Do not expect the truth from big business.

I wouldn't know.

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Most people have Internet access through varied channels. Work, School, the library, cell phone.

Sheesh, how many airports are one big hot spot now?
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headline

sub-headline should be "repeatedly implied," not "repeatedly inferred."

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Get Your Story Straight

Your headline:
"CNET Sticks By Verizon P2P Story"

Then in your article:
"Last week CNET reported that Verizon had started kicking users who transmit copyrighted content off of their network, something a Verizon official seemingly confirmed at the time."

Then a little further in your article:
"Verizon informed us that while the company "reserves the right" to boot BitTorrent and other users off of the network, no users had been kicked off yet."

Please get your story straight. P2P, or Copyright? You do realize they are not the same thing, right.

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Okay so anybody here been kicked off?

I'm still wondering if any former Verizon customers could post that they have been booted off for (either)P2P usage/copyright infringement.

Is there a process that Verizon follows? Letter writing, warnings, etc?

I've been on Verizon DSL for a long while and have used Bittorrent pretty much constantly. I'm now on FiOS and doing the same thing. Heard nothing at all so far. *knock on wood*

hope I didn't just jinx myself there.

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