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| They won't expand the scope But it's not as narrow as I expected. They left themselves wiggle room if the backlash continues to build. Not that I expect anything positive to actually come from that wiggle room...
The other downside is that while this means we won't have to deal with the threat of wholesale UBB until July at the soonest, it also means speed matching is on hold until then as well. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: They won't expand the scope said by bt:The other downside is that while this means we won't have to deal with the threat of wholesale UBB until July at the soonest, it also means speed matching is on hold until then as well.
Speed matching?
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Montreal, QC | Re: They won't expand the scope Wholesale ISPs don't have access to remotes and can only offer adsl speeds, ATM. | |
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| What JoePro said is correct. Wholesale DSL providers are currently limited to 5Mbps connections in Bell territory, and 6Mbps connections in Telus territory.
Some cable companies are also holding back the higher speed tiers they offer from cable wholesalers as well.
The speed matching ruling required that the phone and cable companies offer their full range of retail speed tiers to wholesale ISPs. As UBB significantly affects the pricing of those tiers between the last mile provider and the wholesaler, they are essentially on hold until UBB gets sorted out. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: They won't expand the scope said by bt:What JoePro said is correct. Wholesale DSL providers are currently limited to 5Mbps connections in Bell territory, and 6Mbps connections in Telus territory.
Some cable companies are also holding back the higher speed tiers they offer from cable wholesalers as well.
The speed matching ruling required that the phone and cable companies offer their full range of retail speed tiers to wholesale ISPs. As UBB significantly affects the pricing of those tiers between the last mile provider and the wholesaler, they are essentially on hold until UBB gets sorted out.
Thanks for explanation.
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| | Oh please... quote:
The July public hearing likely means little, since the CRTC is fond of fishing for public input -- and then ignoring it completely as they work to implement policies favored by incumbent ISPs.
This is a silly statement. The CRTC, in its decisions, has to consider the impact of its decisions. The public, when providing feedback, don't have to consider the impacts of their feedback if accepted. They don't even have to know what they're talking about.
Its a good thing the CRTC "ignores" a lot of public input. | |
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| | | Re: Oh please... I'm missing precisely what's "silly" about the fact that the CRTC, stocked with many incumbent ISP executives and in a market suffering from regulatory capture, pretends to care about public input and then ignores said input (good and bad) entirely. | |
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| | | | Re: Oh please... said by Karl Bode:I'm missing precisely what's "silly" about the fact that the CRTC, stocked with many incumbent ISP executives and in a market suffering from regulatory capture, pretends to care about public input and then ignores said input (good and bad) entirely. Its silly because its false and reflects a lack of understanding of the CRTC, its mandate and how it operates. | |
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| said by beachside: quote:
The July public hearing likely means little, since the CRTC is fond of fishing for public input -- and then ignoring it completely as they work to implement policies favored by incumbent ISPs.
This is a silly statement. The CRTC, in its decisions, has to consider the impact of its decisions. The public, when providing feedback, don't have to consider the impacts of their feedback if accepted. They don't even have to know what they're talking about. Its a good thing the CRTC "ignores" a lot of public input. Yes after all regulators work for corporations not the public interests right?
Let bell set whatever limits they want and lower them as they please and charge what they please well having an inaccurate measuring tool that Canadian regulators also refuse to regulate accuracy(measurement Canada)
Why should the CRTC have power over the internet when the head of it does not even know the difference between a gigahertz and a gigabyte? Watching him unable to form any sentences with any understanding during the hearings shows that the whole CRTC should be broken down,reformatted or replaced.
The only thing the CRTC considers is what the east/west duopolys tell them to consider. | |
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| | | | Re: Oh please... said by MerinX:Why should the CRTC have power over the internet when the head of it does not even know the difference between a gigahertz and a gigabyte? Do you think the CEO of Toyota or Honda understands the technical differences between the many methods available for painting their cars? Do you think Harper understands how to calculate how much your EI payment would be if you were out of work?
Leaders don't require subject matter expertise. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Oh please... said by beachside:This is a silly statement. The CRTC, in its decisions, has to consider the impact of its decisions. The public, when providing feedback, don't have to consider the impacts of their feedback if accepted. They don't even have to know what they're talking about. said by beachside:Leaders don't require subject matter expertise. So apparently the CRTC doesn't have to know what they're talking about either? To me that sounds like a recipe to decide based on bias and ideology rather than facts.
How does the CRTC have to consider the impact of their suggestions? They're not elected, they showed clear contempt at even having to answer questions from elected officials. Ooh they've got a mandate, that's a worthless piece of paper if there isn't any 'enforcement' (who regulates the regulators?).
As far as we know (and it certainly appears this way) the only impact they consider is how their stocks are going to do and whether they'll land that sweet 'consulting' gig at a big telco when they go back through the revolving door. | |
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Leesburg, FL | Hmmm If I understand correctly they are comparing Bytes to Watts. If the power company can charge by the Watt why can't the ISP charge by the Byte..... What about my upload? If I provide a website for my family to see videos of my kids, is the ISP going to pay me for the Bytes that I provided to them?? If they was smart they would charge download bytes - upload bytes instead of charging download bytes + upload bytes in order to make their argument valid. | |
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| Re: Hmmm said by FLengineer:If I provide a website for my family to see videos of my kids, is the ISP going to pay me for the Bytes that I provided to them??
Hah! I never looked at it that way before! It's like feeding back into the grid 
But no, to the big ISPs that would be just like the "Free ride" Google and Netflix get! | |
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| And yet again...we're WAITING Seriously, another hearing, another waste of more months of beign stuck in a backwater state of high speed offerings. FFS, this just keeps dragging on year after year after year with nothing to show at all.
Who wants to be that after the hearing nothing will come of it, and the government in power will not do shit about it either.
End rage and pessimism | |
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| | | Re: And yet again...we're WAITING I thought Tony Clement was supposed to do something within a month no?
If so why the hell do we have to wait months again until the stupid CRTC makes a list of excuses to give everybody when they rip into them.
This is stupid, they should have a week 2 weeks max to get moving on this topic and if they can't come to a conclusion that benefits the customer then fire all of them and get some real tech people in there that know what they are doing. Maybe even 1 person from all the ISP's. so 1 from bell/rogers/telus/teksavvy/acanac etc etc at least it would be a bit more fair then the BS ppl they have now.
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1 edit | Re: And yet again...we're WAITING ... and we'll wait ... and we'll wait ...
Then an election will be called, and everything will go on hold, or worse, canceled.
... and we'll wait ... and we'll wait ... and we'll be screwed again
Clements: another damned mealy-mouthed politician that won't do anything except talk.
Von Finkenstein and his kiss-ass buddies (aka CRTC) who cow-tow to Bell & Rogers every whim and desire and give the rest of the Canadians the middle finger all need to get the same sign from us.
This damned waiting is strictly to make it APPEAR something is being done. In reality, SFA is being done. Time & money wasted on artificial placebo public hearings that are being held after the decision was made (with no thoughts of changing) just to make it APPEAR the public has been consulted.
In reality, they don't give a rat's fuzzy behind about the people in any way, shape or form.
Next vote, time to go independent. | |
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| Re: And yet again...we're WAITING Clement is actually going to address wholesale(and retail) issues in his digital strategy announcement in May.Dont count him out.He may be a politician but is also not stupid.He knows whats going on.He will not say anything untill such time thou.He will let CRTC run its funny farm hearing and then decide depending on outcome.Bell knows what he said and will come to the table either armed with fake stats or a "new" proposal.This aint over by a long shot | |
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| | | | | | Re: And yet again...we're WAITING and you really think Tony is going to do something? If he was going to he would have a long time ago. He's only buying time by pushing this off and off. Once any election goes on and he's voted in again; this will be back in affect. | |
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| Re: And yet again...we're WAITING Yes I do.What I cant say but the digital strategy "should" contain some info.He has stated it will have something to do with retail and wholesale broadband.Right now its a matter of the gov getting as far as May to find out.With all 3 parties acting on it UBB wont go away to quick. | |
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| | | | | Re: And yet again...we're WAITING said by fatness:said by bryanviper:I thought Tony Clement was supposed to do something within a month no?
He told the CRTC to re-study the issue and come back with their results, and that he'd wait until they did that to act if it was necessary for him to act. He also said he'd overturn UBB if they still stick to it after study. Thank you 
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| | | | | | Re: And yet again...we're WAITING UBB is not evil, if it had been approached with the right attitude it would have improved the quality of internet in Canada.
*Reasonable limits
*Not forcing every ISP to use it/ Allowing them to actually have unlimited usage plans
*Price per GB limit / not allowing 500% mark up
No more studies and statistics provided by the ISP with no way to monitor the accuracy.
The Canadian government needs take control of the pipe lines so every ISP is charged equally to use the existing infrastructure. Then we can be certain that the money will be used to expand, improve, update, and maintain the lines. Allow foreign ISP or MSO into Canada to create some actually competition. Although I suspect if the government did start to regulate the pipe line “the last mile” ISPs that bell currently lease to will be able to have a fighting chance at competing against the current monopoly.
We need to create a system that only allows the efficient or innovative to compete in the marketplace, and removes these complacent giants.
On a side note the only reason that this would take another 3 months to decide is if they are simply stalling until they can get enough politicians in their pockets to move this bill threw. Are else there really is no point because without support even if they try the exact same bill again it will be shot down regardless. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: And yet again...we're WAITING Price per GB limit / not allowing 500% mark up?
Try a 20,000 percent markup. They're selling gigabytes at 2 dollars apiece or more for something that costs around one cent at peak hours. | |
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| said by fatness:said by bryanviper:I thought Tony Clement was supposed to do something within a month no?
He told the CRTC to re-study the issue and come back with their results, and that he'd wait until they did that to act if it was necessary for him to act. He also said he'd overturn UBB if they still stick to it after study. He did the same for Wind, allowing them to set up shop in Canada, which NOW the CRTC is fighting, again.
What might put an interesting spin on things is if there is a 'snap' federal election which is a possibility this spring. In which case, Bell will get what it wants. (unless it becomes an election issue itself for the Conservatives, Liberal and New Democrats)
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| | The CRTC is Simply Buying Time For Bell There's a chance the Feds may have an election this spring. Just watch what could happen after this election. No matter which of the two major parties come to power, it'll remain a corporate, foreign, and private interest, controlled government. UBB will come to pass. The CRTC is simply buying time for Bell by going through the illusion that it exists for the benefit of the people. | |
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| Re: The CRTC is Simply Buying Time For Bell Since the petition has not gone into the Gazette, should the upcoming budget fall and we go to the polls, everything that has occurred against UBB will be lost and gone. RoBelLus (CRTC) will rule the roost again without competition.
Likely at that point, Wind (Orascom) will have problems as well.
You have one supplier. if you don't like it or the way you're being gouged in the pocket, tough. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: The CRTC is Simply Buying Time For Bell Next week is earliest it will be in Gazette.Thats week before non confidence motion in the house | |
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| Re: The CRTC is Simply Buying Time For Bell said by andyb:Next week is earliest it will be in Gazette.Thats week before non confidence motion in the house
Judging on what is transpiring in Ottawa and a possible non-confidence vote, this will play well for the CRTC if an election happens in early May. If there is a majority this time, there will be a possibility the new government will show little interest. | |
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| | July is Vacation Time "On the other hand, pushing the agenda to the summer allows for plenty of time for political wrangling and the dissipation of consumer outrage."
The CRTC I'm sure, is well aware that a lot of Canadians will be on vacation in JULY. Just another sneaky move by the CRTC and their Bell Masters. | |
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Winnipeg, MB | Saw this coming last month. Well nothing new here. Federal body using stalling tactics with the minister still tweeting but doing nothing. Remember "actions speak louder than words" Mr Clement! | |
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| | waste of time Sweet! they added another jump to the dog & pony show!
(i can't call it a kangaroo court anymore because its taking so long)
I'm so excited to hear KvF confuse gigahertz and gigabytes again! | |
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St Thomas, ON | Time to ramp up my downloading then Looks like I'll be hanging on to my legacy no-cap status a while longer. I recently found jdownloader - makes downloading from hotfile, rapidshare, etc so incredibly easy. I just watched The Adjustment Bureau a couple hours ago. | |
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| Re: Time to ramp up my downloading then I'm happy that your legacy no-cap status allows you to pirate more easily alongside jdownloader. You should DEFINITELY show up at the hearing and mention your needs for a faster, better Internet so you can keep pirating works for years to come.
Keep it up, brosef! | |
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Port Hope, ON | Re: Time to ramp up my downloading then Another moron who thinks people are against UBB because they pirate. I used 120 GB in the month of March. Every last bit of that was legit. You can download games and videos and music legit I hope you know.
By legit I don't mean download for free.I mean as in I pay for the content that I downloaded. So I guess I am a pirate because I bought a bunch of games and content on the Play-Station network and on x box live?
I guess I am also a pirate because I bought some games on steam. I guess I am also a pirate because I bought some music on Itunes? Also I play games online allot as you can imagine with me buying so many games.
Never mind the fact we are talking about a cap of 25GB. 25 GB do you have any idea how small that is? I mean common lots of things use bandwidth that is not even your fault such as my most recent example.
I bought the game of the year edition of Borderlands which the point of buying that was to have a disc with the DLC content. Well guess what because the makers of that said game wanted to remove used game sales they made it so I had to download the DLC. It had no disk just a code to download the DLC which they failed to mention on the package.
There you go about 2 GB of bandwidth right there. Or how about another example of me buying Windows 7. The updates were over a GB. Do I have to go on?
I buy all my content so I take offense to someone coming on who has no idea about what they are speaking of come on and call everyone against UBB a pirate. In a nutshell that is what you said. | |
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| Re: Time to ramp up my downloading then said by avmf84:Another moron who thinks people are against UBB because they pirate. Did you even read his post, you imbecile?
He said he watched the Adjustment Bureau, a film that at the time of his post had been recently released and which he had to pirate to watch.
I do 300GB of data transfer a month all legally as well. Before you flame people, learn to fucking read. | |
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| | | Yeah and they'll keep on throttling you more than a while longer. j or A to Z it doesn't matter when you're throttled you're throttled. Rebooting the modem accomplishes nothing all you can do is get a night job or watch the clock on the wall tick, tick, tick endlessly while you try to download. | |
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| | UBB Well they are just going through the motion of consulting whoever, so they can go around and say "THEY HAVE CONSULTED".
They have already made up their minds, and they are going to TRY to IMPOSE the "UBB" down the THROATS OF THE COMMON MAN. | |
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| avmf84
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Port Hope, ON | Re: UBB You are correct and if its rejected I know just as you and everyone else knows they will keep pushing this till they get it through.
Since it is never over if we win the battle they will still eventually win the war. For the people pushing UBB it's never over until they get there way. They will just keep having temper tantrums and they will kick there feet and stomp there heels till they get there way.
I honestly see no way to fight these morons. All I can say is everyone pushing UBB is lucky I am not the prime minister. If I was they would all be out of a job since I would fire all of them. I mean everyone the CRTC the head CEO's of bell and Rogers everyone trying to push this through. If any politician was also involved I would fire them as well. | |
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