  damirSFRJPremium
join:2003-05-24 | he finalllllllllyyyyy | |
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 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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Putnam, CT
kudos:4 | Check is being delivered now.... I would imagine a sizable check from Bell is being delivered as we speak, or a few behind the scenes calls are being made.
I would love to think this will be a win for Rocky et all, but I fear the worst and hope for the best. | |
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| | The moment of truth approaches yet again We're about to find out if the government works for the pple or for the corporations.
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 | | | Re: The moment of truth approaches yet again said by adisor19:We're about to find out if the government works for the pple or for the corporations. Adi BINGO. | |
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| | | | Re: The moment of truth approaches yet again jeez I hate bad news
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Omak, WA | Re: The moment of truth approaches yet again I am an American and am hoping for you guys as well. Damn corps screwing everyone these days. | |
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| | | | | | Re: The moment of truth approaches yet again You said it. At least we found out the FCC ruled throttling to be unAmerican but Canada is a socialist country bordering on communism. Thank you for still offering us dial-up from your country for one third the price of dial-up in Canada. | |
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| Re: The moment of truth approaches yet again What an ignorant statement! No socialist or social democrat, aside from a few right-wing sham parties in the "Socialist" International and that Hoxhaist party in Venezuela that engaged in political killing to assist the attempted right-wing coup against Chavez, would ever argue that consumer rights ought to sacrificed in the name of corporate profit and corporate control. Certain Stalinists and other authoritarians, who are about as representative of socialist and social democratic thought in Canada as Hitler is a representative of the Conservative Party, would advocate Internet censorship for very different reasons, but such ideological questions are not relevant when comparing the behaviour of regulatory bodies and the set of regulations they are mandated to enforce in two different mixed-economy states. When it comes to issues of sensible copyright law, consumer protection, and network neutrality, the NDP, along with certain factions of the Green Party, the BQ, and even *shudders* the Liberal Party, is far more favourable to the interests of the Canadian people than the neo-liberal interests that comprise the Conservative Party and the more rightist factions of the Liberal Party. Canada has the benefit of having a fairly vibrant social-democratic left that has not been corrupted by the interests of the elites in Hollywood and the entertainment industry, the same of which cannot be said of the United States, where everyone within 10 feet of the Democratic Party, Kucinich and Sanders excepted, is bought and sold by these crooks. | |
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Stony Plain, AB | Re: The moment of truth approaches yet again huh? i recommend more fiber in your diet. anyway back to the real topic. i also hope for the best but fear the worst. | |
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Hammond, IN | Something tells me that this won't go easy.
I think we the people and also independent ISPs are going to be disappointed tomorrow.
With all the money that they have saved on NOT upgrading, that means they have plenty of money for Bribery (Lobbying) | |
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Hamilton, ON | said by kyle747:jeez I hate bad news I'll be hoping for the best, but I am such a pessimist Heh, just move to Japan. The internet is decent even in the country, and the women are easy.
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|  MarkAWBarry WhitePremium
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kudos:16 | said by adisor19:We're about to find out if the government works for the pple or for the corporations. Adi On both sides of the border. | |
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2 edits |  Regulatory agencies usually take path of least resistance
Most likely outcome:
1 - CRTC says that Bell has to honor existing wholesale agreements and not throttle.
2 - Throttling will be OK as long as it isn't discriminatory. Sort of like what the FCC and Comcast came up with in the US.
3 - Bell will add throttling to any renewals of existing wholesale agreements and all NEW agreements.
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|  en102Canadian, eh?
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1 edit | Re: Regulatory agencies usually take path of least resistance Very likely.
Item #3 will probably be with caps and/or tiered usage.
Expect price increases if anything.
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|  mlernerPremium
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kudos:5 | My understanding is this case only involves the current agreement and the only decision rendered will be whether Bell can apply throttling to wholesale. If there is going to be any changes to the wholesale tariff, it will have to be dealt with in a new case. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Regulatory agencies usually take path of least resistance That's pretty much it. And the CRTC chairman has already indicated that a further investigation in current throttling practices will be initiated at a later date. | |
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Toronto | hmmm Can they go after rogers now? | |
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|  LazManPremium
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canada | Re: hmmm said by lrtc6:Can they go after rogers now? No. Roger's can do whatever they want to their own customers... This ruling only applies to wholesale customers. This ruling also won't impact Symptico clients, whom Bell can throttle at will. | |
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| Re: hmmm They could theoretically go after Rogers at a later date, but that would require a government that cares enough about civil liberties and about the interests of Canadian consumers to create a new regulatory framework to deal with the equitable provision of Internet services or to pass legislation to modify the scope of our existing regulatory frameworks. I know somebody of considerable charisma, intellect, and depth of issue knowledge who would be capable of getting elected and of leading such a government, but that would require Jack Layton's retirement and for the person in question to win leadership of the NDP. It's sad that I have to say this, because I like Jack quite a bit and believe that he has done great things for the NDP, but I think soon it will be time for a new leader. | |
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canada | Re: hmmm On what grounds? The internet is not regulated as an essential service; each provider is free to treat their customers as they see fit.
The whole involvement of the CRTC here is strictly to interpret the tarrif, and if Bell has the right to throttle wholesale client's customers, prior to the traffic entering the wholesale client's network.
Anyways - I hope the CRTC makes a common-sense ruling here - but not holding my breath...
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| | | Re: I'm not getting my hopes up I'm with you there, but hoping for the best. | |
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| | www.mediascam.com I am a former corporate insider in the Canadian broadcasting industry. What is needed is a public review of the CRTC and democratic reform of the agency. Professor Matthew Fraser wrote in 2000 that the CRTC had been totally captured by industry interests by the late 1980s and is "cursed by institutionalized corruption." Fraser is correct, and the throttling issue is simply a by-product of the industry bias at the CRTC. Furthermore, there is evidence of potential illegal activities involving the CRTC and cable companies that my legal counsel advised PM Harper of and no action has been taken. If interested, check out www.mediascam.com, or Google Keith Mahar CRTC, or Keith Mahar crony capitalism. The main problem with the CRTC being corrupt is that the cabinet appointed bureaucrats are empowered to select which Canadians are permitted to own broadcasting companies, and exert influence over public opinion. The integrity of Canadian media has been undermined and corrupted by decisions made by the CRTC. The CRTC deserves to be 'throttled' and reformed in the public interest. | |
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