Cable Aims To Make Brick & Mortar Rental, Theaters ObsoleteCablevision launches same-day-as-DVD video on demand 01:17PM Monday Feb 04 2008 by Karl Bodetags: business · cable · contentCablevision has launched a new "Popcorn DVDs On Demand" VOD service that makes "select" DVD titles available the same day they hit store shelves. Existing customers can head to this URL to set up a profile. Users can browse the selection of films via the iO Digital TV user interface, or directly on Channel 500. New release films are priced at $19.95, plus shipping, while older library titles cost between $9.95 and $15.95, plus shipping. Once you place an order, you'll get the DVD in the mail within a few days, but can watch your film anytime within 24 hours from purchase. It looks like DVD prices will be slightly more than what you could expect to pay at Amazon, and judging from the press release, the initial title selection seems somewhat limited: New releases available from Popcorn at launch include: The Bourne Ultimatum, The Kingdom, Eastern Promises and Sydney White. The two-time Academy(R) Award-nominated blockbuster American Gangster will be available on February 19th. Note that this is different from ongoing efforts by some cable providers to offer VOD films the same day they hit DVD shelves. Those efforts would not involve a physical DVD sale. In Cablevision's model, the majority of revenue goes to the film studios, with Cablevision and Los Angeles-based Popcorn Home Entertainment getting progressively smaller slices of revenue. In other models, cable operators would get a much larger share. Comcast in particular has been eager to eliminate the traditional window that exists between VOD and both rental and theater release. They've been running trials in Pittsburgh and Denver that offers DVD-same day VOD. More ambitiously, earlier this year they stated they'd love to implement a service where customers pay $35-$40 to get VOD titles the same day they hit brick-and-mortar theaters. Theater owners aren't particularly happy about the idea, and have said it will erode the "magic" of the movie-going experience (sticky floors, chatty viewers, popcorn that requires a second mortgage?). Related:- Roadrunner Scraps Video Mail
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join:2001-06-25 Sacramento, CA clubs: | o.o And I can get that same DVD at Target or Wally-world for 9.99 - 12.99 and not have pay shipping and still be able to view it that same day. | |
|  |   en102 Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: o.o I can go to the grocery store, and rent a DVD for $0.99 on Mondays, or $1.50 any other day of the week. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
|  |  |   Jason Levine Premium join:2001-07-13 Albany, NY
| Re: o.o I can go to my local library and rent a DVD for free. 
Seriously, though, that's how my wife and I tend to classify movies. There are a select few that are "must watch in theaters", some that are "rent it when it comes out", some that fall into the "borrow it from the library" category, and rarely one or two that go into "buy the DVD." The vast majority of films, however, go into the "don't want to see, ever" category. -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar. Shooting For A Cause Jason's Toolbox | PCQandA.com | |
|  |  |  |   en102 Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: o.o Likewise... The vast majority ends in the 'never see' unless it comes on TV. A few ~ 12 / year make it to DVD rental A couple might make it to the theater. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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join:2002-02-03 Elizabeth, NJ | I agree. Some are not even worth watching for free. | |
|  |  |  SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19 | What about the "hogs" This business model will be killed in the cradle by providers forcing bandwidth caps. So much for the the punish all the "bandwidth hogs/pirates" argument. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Navarre, FL | Re: What about the "hogs" What does being a bandwidth hog and capped service have to do with mailing new release DVDs to customers? | |
|  |  |  |   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL
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| Re: What about the "hogs" said by SilverSurfer :This business model will be killed in the cradle by providers forcing bandwidth caps. Re-read the article. The bandwidth providers are the ones fluffing this idea. It runs over digital cable, not your Internet connection, and reveals the real reason they are so hot to cap "excessive downloaders"...the competition from much cheaper and much better services like Amazon and Netflix. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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| Re: What about the "hogs" said by RadioDoc :Re-read the article. Not all ISPs are capping bandwidth. Notice the gist of the article is being propounded by Comcrap, not TWC, the nost notable implementing the above-referenced caps. | |
|  |  |  |   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL | Re: What about the "hogs" This has nothing to do with Internet use. It's Video on Demand...you know, regular cable stuff. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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| Re: What about the "hogs" said by RadioDoc :This has nothing to do with Internet use. It's Video on Demand...you know, regular cable stuff. Ever wonder how bandwidth is actually distinguised by providers with both BB and cable services from the same provider? Dunno bout your personal situation, but Cox in this county plays fast/loose with bandwidth and doesn't really distinguish cable v BB. Bandwidth is bandwidth. | |
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| Re: What about the "hogs" High speed Internet via DOCSIS is carried via RF channels just like any TV channel is. This, though, is not an Internet service. I seriously doubt Cox would be throttling a cable VoD channel they provide and charge for, should they choose to offer a similar product.
This Cablevision story is about a service they are putting on their own systems, not something they are offering to the world via Internet.
For some reason you don't seem to be able to separate captive video services from Internet data. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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join:2004-09-07 Bellingham, WA | This is fine if... You don't mind watching crappy compressed pixelated VOD. | |
|   BloodRoses The Purple Faerie Premium join:2003-03-17 New York, NY | I like this idea, but... I don't buy DVD's anymore, DVD is dead. | |
|  |   bigunk Gort, Klattu Birada Nikto
join:2001-02-10 Santa Clarita, CA | Re: I like this idea, but... I'm curious. What's next? Or shall I say what's now? | |
|  |  |  Pictor Guy
join:2004-06-21 Ashburn, VA | Re: I like this idea, but... Blu-Ray. It's been a while since I purchased a DVD as well. I may consider services like AppleTV when it starts offering HD Titles but 480i+Compressed audio found on DVDs just don't cut it anymore. | |
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| Re: I like this idea, but... said by Pictor Guy :Blu-Ray. LOL.
Yeeeah, maybe its the fact that I don't own a super entertainment depo, or that I just like to watch the movie for the actual content, but one of the deal-killers to HD/Blueray is that media is almost 2x the price. In an era where the MPAA is mass producing epic amounts of crap, shelling out an extra $10-20 for a new release in HD just isn't attractive.
I haven't seen a "must own" movie in ages. At least when I go and pick up a DVD, I get to see the content quick-n-cheap. Paying more to see the pores in the actors faces in "The Game Plan" just seems like a waste of money still. | |
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| Re: I like this idea, but... said by AquaBlaze :said by Pictor Guy :Blu-Ray. LOL. Yeeeah, maybe its the fact that I don't own a super entertainment depo, or that I just like to watch the movie for the actual content, but one of the deal-killers to HD/Blueray is that media is almost 2x the price. In an era where the MPAA is mass producing epic amounts of crap, shelling out an extra $10-20 for a new release in HD just isn't attractive. I haven't seen a "must own" movie in ages. At least when I go and pick up a DVD, I get to see the content quick-n-cheap. Paying more to see the pores in the actors faces in "The Game Plan" just seems like a waste of money still. I don't disagree with you regarding most new releases. Crap is crap, no matter how you slice it.
However, there are many great catalog titles / classic films that have been released on high-def media. Generally speaking, these have been scanned from high-quality masters and look great. In a many cases, they're absolutely stunning. Film's resolution far exceeds 1920x1080, so even movies dating back many decades can look far better on HD DVD/Blu-Ray than on standard DVD. | |
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| Re: I like this idea, but... said by tlniec :However, there are many great catalog titles / classic films that have been released on high-def media. Generally speaking, these have been scanned from high-quality masters and look great. In a many cases, they're absolutely stunning. Film's resolution far exceeds 1920x1080, so even movies dating back many decades can look far better on HD DVD/Blu-Ray than on standard DVD. I dunno. The only real movies that make me go "WOW" about HD are the newer releases that have been designed for such a market. However, all re-releases I've seen on demo/display require me to make hard contimplative comparisons to actually notice a difference beyond DVD quality.
Now, the "OMFG amazing" difference in picture quality between new releases in HD and DVD...I could see purchasing in the near future - if there was media worth playing. However, almost all the content I actually care about looks just as good in HD as it does on DVD. HD is certainly pretty, but the movies that actually make good on the technology are crap. I just don't see myself paying an extra premium for pretty-looking class-B movies.
...unless its a flick from a porn studio. In that case, yeah...the "story" to that media is moot. The more graphics, the better - perfect for HD.  | |
|  |  |  |  |   bigunk Gort, Klattu Birada Nikto
join:2001-02-10 Santa Clarita, CA | Re: I like this idea, but... I'm just gonna build a media server with scads of storage, maybe 8TB or so. Rip what I can to it and watch it when I want. That way, standards can change and I only need to do updates to handle new media formats. Sound like a reasonable idea? | |
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| Re: I like this idea, but... Absolutely. I don't believe in media anymore, it's too much trouble to deal with. Especially when 500GB hard drives are 100$ these days. I'll buy a movie, but the format is just archival to me. I'll encode it and store the media somewhere safe. Digital distribution is the future, and you can back that up as much as you need.
Better yet, use usenet and download 720/1080p movies for free. Not that I'm advocating copyright infringement, but it is convenient.
I have no VHS movies, and I'm looking to get rid of my DVD's now.
Edit: Also, AppleTV offers 720p movies now as soon as they release the take 2 firmware update. -- Faerie Blessings, Stephanie - www.GlitterFaerie.com | |
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| said by bigunk :I'm just gonna build a media server with scads of storage, maybe 8TB or so. Rip what I can to it and watch it when I want. That way, standards can change and I only need to do updates to handle new media formats. Sound like a reasonable idea? I built one just last summer, as well as three media PCs (one for each TV in the house.)
The server is a RAID 5 array with eight 750GB drives, giving me a total of 5.25 TB. We have over 400 DVDs in the house, so I needed a lot of space.
One of the first things I did when I started this project was take a sampling of 30 or so DVDs to get an idea of the size. Some of the simple, no-frills ones were 4 GB or so, while some of the feature-packed ones were closer to 8 GB. The average size was about 6 GB.
I used the free version of DVDFAB HD Decrypter to copy them, and Media Portal and Power DVD to play them. It's nice having all those movies at my fingertips, and even if I loan one out, I still have it at home to watch. I don't even use the actual discs anymore, except one time to copy them.
If you need any advice from someone who's already done this, let me know. I'll try and answer any questions you might have.  | |
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| Re: I like this idea, but... said by TheWickerMan :I don't even use the actual discs anymore, except one time to copy them. If you need any advice from someone who's already done this, let me know. I'll try and answer any questions you might have.  I have a question. How many years in jail? | |
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| Re: I like this idea, but... said by quatrix :said by TheWickerMan :I don't even use the actual discs anymore, except one time to copy them. If you need any advice from someone who's already done this, let me know. I'll try and answer any questions you might have.  I have a question. How many years in jail? Are you trying to be funny, or simply trolling?
If you're thinking I'm renting or borrowing movies and copying them, you're mistaken. I could, but I do not and will not, no matter how corrupt I believe the MPAA is.
Every single movie on my server is a copy of a disc that I legally bought and paid for. I do not upload them anywhere on the internet, just the server that is accesible only by the computers on my personal network.
Granted, I'm going against the DMCA by using a tool that defeats the copy protection, but all I'm doing is exercising my Fair Use right to make a backup copy of my legally purchased discs. | |
|  |  |  |   Jason Levine Premium join:2001-07-13 Albany, NY
| I believe that there was a company a few years back that began to market a set-top device that would rip your DVDs to a local hard drive for easy viewing. The MPAA sued the company until they stopped offering the device. While it was never a consumer level device (IIRC, it cost $10,000), it would likely have been the first wave of similar devices which would eventually have landed into the consumer price range. I, for one, would love to have a set top device that could take my DVDs and make them all available to me at the push of a button. -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar. Shooting For A Cause Jason's Toolbox | PCQandA.com | |
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| Re: I like this idea, but... the name of the product is called the kaleidescape. It was sued but a judge ruled Kaleidescape is in full compliance with the DVD Copy Control Association's license to the Content Scramble System.
If it wasnt so much money I would already have this since I have over 1200 dvds and it would make things much more conveinient. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |   Jason Levine Premium join:2001-07-13 Albany, NY
| Re: I like this idea, but... Thanks for the information. I was under the impression that they were sued out of existence. Glad to hear that they beat back the DVD CCA. (I just found this via Google about the win: »www.floppyhead.com/2007/03/30/ka···lawsuit/ ) Hopefully, this enables us to have more consumer-priced DVD storage systems in the near future. We don't have as many DVDs as you do (probably around 200), but it is still a pain to find the disc that you want while keeping all of the others organized. (Especially with kids around.) It would be so much easier to select the DVD with the remote and have it load up. -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar. Shooting For A Cause Jason's Toolbox | PCQandA.com | |
|  |  |  AquaBlaze Premium join:2004-02-02 Encino, CA
| said by en102 :Even if it isn't officially dead, there's no use in purchasing DVD's / BluRay / HD-DVD. Within a few years, standards will change, and your movies will be useless. Isn't that true of all technology? If that's what folks should do, why ever buy computers, media, etc. at all? You buy things that work for you in the here-and-now. Waiting for tommorrow's technologies will leave you waiting forever.
I personally like to live on the "dull edge" of technology. That way, I get to enjoy most of the tech offerings of the day, but I don't get burned so bad when technology/offerings change. | |
|  |  |  |   en102 Canadian, eh?
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| Re: I like this idea, but... I agree... I have 'some' movies on VHS, and 2 computers (one is corp laptop). There's no reason to go and purchase the bleeding edge, as it will lose most of its value in the first few months.
I typically stay at the 'dull' edge as well, as there's no real benefit to me otherwise.
I do have a DVD burner, which burns from TV to Divx format, and accepts RF (NTSC) channel 3/4 style connection, which allows me to get anything off DirecTv / old VHS, etc. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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@comcast.net | everything changes in time. so do you stop living life or what? | |
|  |  |  dlr_graph
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| There was a big gap in years between VHS and DVD, and even when the gap berween Blu-Ray and DVD is shorter I think the format will still be around for several more years. As others pointed out, I don't see a reason for paying twice as mush for a Blu-Ray movie.
When DVD started there was a big hipe about how much contendt and features the disc would hold but it was never used. One was multiple angles. This feature was never used by the studios with the exception of the adult industry.
How many people can actually see a difference between a DVD and a Blu-Ray (or HD DVD) at a distance of 6' or more? | |
|  |  |  |   en102 Canadian, eh?
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| Re: I like this idea, but... Yup - once the medium changed from magetic tape to purely digital format, the time from DVD to BluRay (and its demise) will be shorter. Digital media is much more portable. Many still don't have an HD-set, so 1080p is still not even worth it for many, similar to 720p.
A few more years before 720p is the current 'standard' -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| said by dlr_graph :... How many people can actually see a difference between a DVD and a Blu-Ray (or HD DVD) at a distance of 6' or more? I can from 14'. But my screen is also 106".
That's why I'm a little concerned that high-def media could become a niche product. For those who have front-projection systems, or large televisions with close seating, I think the benefits of HDM are sufficient to justify the costs. Standard DVD, even when run through an excellent scaler/upconverter, doesn't match HDM in those situations. But outside of a home-theater environment, the value tapers off. In a bedroom/living room/kitchen, for example, the screen size to distance ratio is likely to be rather small and viewing is probably not going to be so critical as in a theater setting. In those cases, DVD is probably more than sufficient. | |
|   CylonRed Premium,MVM join:2000-07-06 Bloom County
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| I would buy the DVD before this VOD simply based on the price alone. It would be double the price of seeing it in the theater (in my area) with a better sound system and screen. A no brainer for me - the theater would win if I wanted to see it bad enough. Certain movies need to be seen on the big screen any way. -- Brian
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| Re: New titles from Amazon.com from $9.99 said by Nightfall :I understand they want to partner with amazon, which is fine by me. Amazon already has their Unbox download service working for TiVo users, which totally bypasses the cable company, and even with the TiVo monthly fee their $2.99-$3.99 unlimited rental price is enticing. THIS is what the cable companies are really afraid of. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
|   BodyBumper
join:2004-06-21 Beverly Hills, CA | Question Who rushes out to buy DVDs the same day they're released? | |
|  |  AquaBlaze Premium join:2004-02-02 Encino, CA
| Re: Question When you're a fanboi of the content, then yes, you normally hit the stores on the first day. Case in point, I bought the "Back to the Future" Trillogy the day it hit DVD. Maybe I paid extra, but as a total nutfan to the series, I don't regret the purchase one bit. | |
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| Re: Question said by AquaBlaze :When you're a fanboi of the content, then yes, you normally hit the stores on the first day. Case in point, I bought the "Back to the Future" Trillogy the day it hit DVD. Maybe I paid extra, but as a total nutfan to the series, I don't regret the purchase one bit. You might have actaully paid less. A lot of stores, BB for example, have sales for the first week or so of a new release. Then the price goes back up to it's normal price. | |
|  backness
join:2005-07-08 K2P OW2 | and.. What if you don't like the film,
You get to watch it once and not like then you've already purchased the DVD | |
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| Re: and.. No doubt, this is a nice feature if you've already seen the movie in the theater. However these services are mostly designed for people too lazy to leave the house, yet alone go to the theater to watch it there.
This just seems like a sneaky way to boost slowing DVD sales. | |
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| said by backness :What if you don't like the film, You get to watch it once and not like then you've already purchased the DVD Return the unopened DVD to walmart without a receipt and get store credit | |
|  |  |   dvd536 as Mr. Pink as they come Premium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ
| Re: and.. said by Jmartz :said by backness :What if you don't like the film, You get to watch it once and not like then you've already purchased the DVD Return the unopened DVD to walmart without a receipt and get store credit Wouldn't work. wal*mart DVDs have unique UPC codes[exactly so people don't do this] -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
|   Dread Mark for moderation Premium join:2005-02-28 irc | Nothing for me I already moved on to Blu-Ray -- 48-27 | |
|   wifi4milez In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
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| And the point is...... This confuses me a little bit. TWC currently offers the same exact service, however you dont need to purchase a DVD! Furthermore, the TWC service doesnt cost any more than a regular On Demand movie. The real question is, why on earth would someone want to pay $20 to watch a movie on demand, only to receive a copy of it (a DVD) a few days later? Unless you are one of those people who watches the same movies over and over again, this doesnt make any sense. They clearly already have the capability to show you the "just released" movie without requiring you to purchase a DVD, so they should just stick with that. As the others have mentioned, if for some reason you MUST have a DVD of a movie that is already on demand, you can buy it for less at Amazon or a similar website. This seems to be yet another example of some marketing idiot deciding that they are going to charge more money for a pointless service that is easily attainable elsewhere! Kind of reminds me of the TWC branded Sprint wireless which was $20 more per month than the same service offered directly through Sprint. Where these marketing people come up with these "brilliant" ideas is beyond me..... -- с новым годом | |
|  |  |   en102 Canadian, eh?
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| Re: Same day as theater and you have a deal On the flip side... it works out just as well:
1. No cost for 'baby sitters' 2. No $10 popcorn+soda 3. No +15 minutes of ads prior to the movie (I hope)
Personally, I see 1-2 movies / year, just because of the cost. I'll typically wait for it to come out on DVD for $1/day rental. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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