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join:2000-08-21 Glen Burnie, MD | Pot meet kettle........ Is this a surprise to anyone?
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 |   God IN Vilseck Germany Premium join:2002-07-01 Colorado Springs, CO clubs:  | Re: Pot meet kettle........ it is an all out battle when it comes to earning the money ... | |
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 |   hopeflicker Capitalism breeds greed Premium join:2003-04-03 Long Beach, CA | seems logical to me to offer a service where they might get the most customers. I see nothing wrong with this "cherry picking" with a business minded point of view. | |
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| Re: Pot meet kettle........ said by hopeflicker :seems logical to me to offer a service where they might get the most customers. I see nothing wrong with this "cherry picking" with a business minded point of view. I agree, it's not like they're doing this with DSL/cable. It's FTTH, something that, at the moment, they're losing ridiculous amounts of money on. It's not about gaining more, it's about losing less. -- The Problem With Music.
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join:2000-08-21 Glen Burnie, MD
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| said by hopeflicker :seems logical to me to offer a service where they might get the most customers. I see nothing wrong with this "cherry picking" with a business minded point of view. The argument was that cable had to sign franchise agreements. In exchange for exclusivity, they had to wire up everyone. Now that competition is coming in, cable wants to cherry pick too.
Another issue is that both Verizon and Comcast want the right to deny anyone else into the market with only their "promise" to eventually serve an area that has no service. | |
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 |  |  |  TheGhost Premium join:2003-01-03 Lake Forest, IL clubs: | Re: Pot meet kettle........ But did they have to wire everyone before they could start selling to their 1st customer? Or could they install in phases. I would find it hard to believe that a project the size of Philly was done "big bang". | |
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join:2000-08-21 Glen Burnie, MD
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| Re: Pot meet kettle........ said by TheGhost :But did they have to wire everyone before they could start selling to their 1st customer? Or could they install in phases. I would find it hard to believe that a project the size of Philly was done "big bang". In Baltimore City, in order to get a franchise, United Cable (later United Artists Cable, TCI Cable then Comcast) had to wire the entire city in 4 years. They agreed to it. They left a few pockets here and there and were threatened with lawsuits until they wired people up.
If they didn't intend on servicing everyone, they should never have signed the agreement. | |
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1 edit | said by hopeflicker :seems logical to me to offer a service where they might get the most customers. I see nothing wrong with this "cherry picking" with a business minded point of view. So does that mean only the "wealthy" should get service and f**k everyone else? I thought all this time EVERYONE paid into UNIVERSAL SERVICE FUND. Why should the less fortunate take a hit because telcos floundered that UNIVERSAL SERVICE FUND. -- "A stranger is a friend you just haven't met yet." -- Captain Kathryn Janeway | |
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 |  |  |   hopeflicker Capitalism breeds greed Premium join:2003-04-03 Long Beach, CA
| Re: Pot meet kettle........ said by Dominokat :said by hopeflicker :seems logical to me to offer a service where they might get the most customers. I see nothing wrong with this "cherry picking" with a business minded point of view. So does that mean only the "wealthy" should get service and f**k everyone else? I thought all this time EVERYONE paid into UNIVERSAL SERVICE FUND. Why should the less fortunate take a hit because telcos floundered that UNIVERSAL SERVICE FUND. You have a point with the USF, but i dont know exactly how that money is allocated for development. It could just be a BS fee. Ask yourself, would you open up a BMW dealership in Compton CA or Beverly Hills CA? Yes, i know you can't compare cars and internet services but look at it in a business sense. -- "I content that we are both atheists. I just believe in one less god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all others, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - unknown genius | |
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 |  |  fiberguy My views are my own. Premium join:2005-05-20
| said by hopeflicker :seems logical to me to offer a service where they might get the most customers. I see nothing wrong with this "cherry picking" with a business minded point of view. I assume you will also apply that to Comcast who is deploying their 16/1 HSI tier in the areas that matter the most based on competition too, right? You know.. picking areas to deploy first before moving into the other areas.. right?
Just want to make sure this logic applies all around is all. -- "Wipe out the national deficit over night... Tax the stupid!" - about 50 gMail invites available. PM if you'd like one. | |
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| Re: Pot meet kettle........ said by fiberguy :said by hopeflicker :seems logical to me to offer a service where they might get the most customers. I see nothing wrong with this "cherry picking" with a business minded point of view. I assume you will also apply that to Comcast who is deploying their 16/1 HSI tier in the areas that matter the most based on competition too, right? You know.. picking areas to deploy first before moving into the other areas.. right? Just want to make sure this logic applies all around is all. I would think so, yes -- "I content that we are both atheists. I just believe in one less god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all others, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - unknown genius | |
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join:2001-10-06 Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Pot meet kettle........ They didn't have to do anything to provide phone service. | |
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  Midak Doctors suck Premium join:2002-02-26 Yonkers, NY
| It's not a neccessity All due respect to those who are having financial difficulties and live in a less desirable area because it is what they can afford but you don't need cable TV or any TV for that matter. You can argue all you want but it is purely a luxury item. If Verizon wants to set up shop where they can make the most money, then they should be able to do just that. | |
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 |   marigolds Gainfully employed, finally Premium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO
| Re: It's not a neccessity said by Midak :If Verizon wants to set up shop where they can make the most money, then they should be able to do just that. Then they can do it without using public right of ways. | |
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| said by Midak :All due respect to those who are having financial difficulties and live in a less desirable area because it is what they can afford but you don't need cable TV or any TV for that matter. You can argue all you want but it is purely a luxury item. If Verizon wants to set up shop where they can make the most money, then they should be able to do just that. Or, what they could do is install FIOS in the apartments of the people that can actually afford FIOS and then if the other people call in and want it and can do a 1 year contract then I dont see no problem. It solves the cherry picking issue. | |
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join:2006-04-27 Forest, OH | Your assuming that the areas they'r bypassing at this time are poor. | |
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 |  |   Midak Doctors suck Premium join:2002-02-26 Yonkers, NY | Re: It's not a neccessity The article in question states just that. | |
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| said by Midak :All due respect to those who are having financial difficulties and live in a less desirable area because it is what they can afford but you don't need cable TV or any TV for that matter. You can argue all you want but it is purely a luxury item. If Verizon wants to set up shop where they can make the most money, then they should be able to do just that. What about us that live in very rural areas because we choose to....Just because my closest neighbor is ~2500 ft away, does that mean I don't get serviced by FIOS ever???...
I would hardly call this area 'less desirable"...More like "less known" ..thats what I like about it...
BTW, I sold my house in NJ where FIOS was available and moved to PA and stuck about $100,000 in my bank...and I have a bigger home in a nicer area
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1 edit | Re: It's not a neccessity Fantastic for you. You're not a desirable customer because they have to run the same amount of fiber to get to you that they do for 100+ homes in the 'burbs. Are you willing to pay for them to make the run to your home because if you are, I am sure they would be happy to do the work. | |
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  mrchris We don't miss you Bush Premium join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY | Astroturfing... Should be illegal. | |
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join:2004-04-24 Floral Park, NY
| Did Verizon meet deployment goal for 2006? Have 6 million homes been passed, network-wide? If so, the current and NEW deployments should be published in their last press release for 2006. Hopefully 2007 will show renewed interest in deploying FIOS, not wireless... there were virtually NO new deployments for both November & December, 2006. Finish some of the black-holes left in your primary deployment communities FIRST, Pennsylvania can wait.
Even if Verizon is redlining, fiber gets rolled out, not pulled back, ALL communities in the geographic regions will have to be deployed at some point. Cable companies should be happy they get to keep those customers for a few more years, while Verizon gets their competitive ducks in a row. Usually, Verizon is doing something RIGHT with deployments if it IRKS cable companies. TV rates are really ANTI-COMPETITIVE, if you really want cable-tv competitions, create a site in Russia called ALL_OF_CABLE_TV.COM streaming cable tv for $20 a month, all you can eat ppv, etc... Really, Verizon along with all telcos will have vastly similar rates, no ONE company will undercut the price THEY pay for services, so taunting gets NO-ONE NOWHERE. The real competition will lie in voip and internet access. | |
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join:2000-03-23 Indiana, PA
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said by tmc8080 :Finish some of the black-holes left in your primary deployment communities FIRST, Pennsylvania can wait. OK I'm not saying I would need the service tomorrow or something very bad is going to happen; I am currently satisfied with being a Comcast customer. Seems like every thing's VZ redlining mania these days! (»»Comcast Knocks Verizon for Cherry Picking) and on other sites of how VZ is first starting with wealthier communities. As far as having the State wait; I think VZ should be the ones owing $/discounts to PA taxpayers after ripping them off of billions of dollars to have the Commonwealth wired with DSL and FiOS by certain strict deadlines; thanks PAPUC! see( »»Did Verizon Scam Pennsylvania?) ; if nothing shows copy and paste link. (don't mind me just ranting) From the looks of it VZ doesn't seem to be doing that bad in addition to FiOS deployment costs (»»investor.verizon.com/news/view.a···wsID=784) Sure it may cost a lot of $ to deploy everywhere, but I remember reading here: »»Verizon to use new tech to slash costs that the costs for installment are going down. Also another recent article posted on BBR backing up decreased costs for VZ FiOS installs: »»Switching a Customer to Fios Saves Verizon $110/Year. Thanks for reading in; nothing personal just my opinion and a little free time! =) -- NOW Comcast 6M/384k October 9 2006! Adelphia 4M/384k Activated September 20 2006. | |
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join:2006-12-12 Miami, FL
| "ALL communities in the geographic regions will have to be deployed at some point." I am tired of the monopolistic beasts like adelphia and comcast. They have prices over the top and they don't get you all the programming available. Now they want to continue doing business the old way while other technologies are available. I have aced them alltogether. | |
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  jimmyrr Premium join:2002-08-22 Bronx, NY
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1 edit | MDU'S Verizone has wired Fios all around CO-OP CITY BRONX NY where I live which has people with middle to high income living there. It i the largest co-op in the usa. Co-op City is a very large quasi-cooperative/quasi-public middle income co-operative, consisting of over 15,000 apartment units in about three dozen high-rise (24-, 26- or 33-storey) buildings and a number of townhouses (3-storey attached garden apartments). cablevision wired it a few years ago. I have verizon dsl 3000/768 and average around 2872/720; see my speed tests and i am happy with verizon service. I still would like to have Fios. This is my line quality tests done today:»/linequality/nil/2149079 Jimmy -- LIVE FOR THE ONE; DIE FOR THE ONE | |
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