 tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| several caveats... 1. Telco gets serious about FTTP / deep fiber and competing on price / value.
2. Consumer demand for high speed applications (video, sure.. but what else?)
3. Economic viability (ability for consumers to afford the rates which are just about guaranteed to be over $100/month by the time they achieve such capability).
4. Cable companies must be able to protect their content or evolve their business model... do you really think they're gonna unleash 1gbit and kill their existing Cable-Tv business without a way to make up that revenue? I don't think so. | |
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 | decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN | Re: several caveats... Its called Caps on content that's not theirs... | |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03
Riverside, WA
 ·CableOne
| said by tmc8080  :3. Economic viability (ability for consumers to afford the rates which are just about guaranteed to be over $100/month by the time they achieve such capability). When I had Comcast in 2005, I paid $62.95 for 8/1. Now that same $62.95 gets you 20/5 with Comcast.
The speeds they are offering have kept up with bandwidth demand so far. The only reason I could see for your prediction to come true is if everyone started using their connection for a TV pipe, and the cablecos charged more to make up for lost TV revenue. But if that happened, the consumer wouldn't be paying for separate TV service anymore, so the bill for both TV and internet would still be the same.
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LiamJunket
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
·Comcast
| Re: several caveats... said by PolarBear :said by tmc8080 :3. Economic viability (ability for consumers to afford the rates which are just about guaranteed to be over $100/month by the time they achieve such capability). The only reason I could see for your prediction to come true is if everyone started using their connection for a TV pipe, and the cablecos charged more to make up for lost TV revenue. But if that happened, the consumer wouldn't be paying for separate TV service anymore, so the bill for both TV and internet would still be the same. If all TV content starts being delivered over the internet, you can bet your life that the cost will increase to deliver internet access. Cable companies subsidize the infrastructure costs with their cable TV revenues. Lose that and they will have to raise the price of internet access to cover the now unsubsidized costs. Will the "TV over internet only" price be less than the existing combo price of internet/cable TV - Yes. But it will never be as low as the currently subsidized price of internet access.
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Corona, NY
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: several caveats... said by LiamJunket :If all TV content starts being delivered over the internet, you can bet your life that the cost will increase to deliver internet access. Cable companies subsidize the infrastructure costs with their cable TV revenues. Lose that and they will have to raise the price of internet access to cover the now unsubsidized costs. Will the "TV over internet only" price be less than the existing combo price of internet/cable TV - Yes. But it will never be as low as the currently subsidized price of internet access. If cable MSO's want to raise internet rates marginally to recoup lost CATV subscribers, BRING IT ON!! By all means, if a $10-$15 increase in my monthly internet cost gives me truly unlimited service, complete with EITHER truly uncapped bandwidth, or REASONABLE caps and overages, I'm all ears. I for one have NO problem if Comcast and other companies embrace the "dumb pipe" model. It's basically like the ala-carte enthusiasts' dreams come true... | |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
| said by PolarBear :When I had Comcast in 2005, I paid $62.95 for 8/1. Now that same $62.95 gets you 20/5 with Comcast. I remember when Optimum Online was the fastest thing around with 10/1 speeds for $49.95/month (up from the original $39.95). Now we get 15/2 for the same price and they are no longer the speed leaders for your average user unless you pay extra for "Boost".
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by PolarBear :said by tmc8080 :3. Economic viability (ability for consumers to afford the rates which are just about guaranteed to be over $100/month by the time they achieve such capability). When I had Comcast in 2005, I paid $62.95 for 8/1. Now that same $62.95 gets you 20/5 with Comcast. VIDEO subsidizes HSI as it does on every cable provider.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03
Riverside, WA
·CableOne
| Re: several caveats... And I assume by that you mean that since there would be no more video service, the cost of HSI would be dramatically higher. And you're right. But as I said above,
said by PolarBear :if that happened, the consumer wouldn't be paying for separate TV service anymore, so the bill for both TV and internet would still be the same. Yes the price of HSI would go up, but the price of video would be zero. So essentially, you'd be getting the same two services (just via different delivery methods) and paying the same amount (for example $120 for both services together instead of $60 for each service separately. | |
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whosmatt
join:2005-02-28
Raleigh, NC | CAD / CAM? I'd love to have that kind of bandwidth -- Moving around GB's of audio projects at a time would be bearable then... Freelance video editors would love it even more, i'm sure. Fed Ex would hate it though. | |
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| Re: CAD / CAM? as an engineer myself, having 1gb at hand to transfer large solid models and assemblies back and forth from my office network while i'm working on them in real-time would be beneficial. Now I just have to convince the right people that telecommuting is something they should consider. I still can't believe telecommuting in the information age is still looked down upon in some sectors. With mobiles, webcams, email, etc. you can literally converge a virtual office without having to leave your home. | |
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MarkHofmann
@lifebridgehealth.org | Speaking of caps.. It is interesting how Comcast released their official cap limits one month before the Xbox360's ability to stream movies and HD content from Netflix.
Very interesting..
Can anyone say "AntiTrust"????? | |
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| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Speaking of caps.. said by MarkHofmann :
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Can anyone say "AntiTrust"?????
can anyone say "the feds don't give a sh1t"?
with the amount of regulatory capture* in the market right now, it will be years (if ever) before the market is consumer friendly.
*Regulatory capture is a term used to refer to situations in which a government regulatory agency created to act in the public interest instead acts in favor of the commercial or special interests that dominate in the industry or sector it is charged with regulating. | |
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Cabal
Premium
join:2007-01-21
Boston, MA
| said by MarkHofmann :
It is interesting how Comcast released their official cap limits one month before the Xbox360's ability to stream movies and HD content from Netflix. A lot less interesting than if they did it after.
said by MarkHofmann :
Very interesting..
Can anyone say "AntiTrust"?????
Nope. The 250 GB cap affects 0.01% of their users.
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Speaking of caps.. said by Cabal :said by MarkHofmann :
It is interesting how Comcast released their official cap limits one month before the Xbox360's ability to stream movies and HD content from Netflix. A lot less interesting than if they did it after. said by MarkHofmann :
Very interesting..
Can anyone say "AntiTrust"?????
Nope. The 250 GB cap affects 0.01% of their users. TODAY it does. You could say back in 2003 that only 0.01% of thier users used 10 GB a month or more. To assume it will continue to be that small of a % is ignorant.
Besides is only 0.01 go voer that cap then they don't have much a badnwidth issue to need those caps anyways. Also a straight cap won't solve any potential bandwidth crunch anyways. At least not in any efficient manner. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Speaking of caps.. said by BF69 :To assume it will continue to be that small of a % is ignorant. Your should be careful to not assume that the limits of the caps won't increase over time as the infrastructure continues to be upgraded.said by BF69 :Also a straight cap won't solve any potential bandwidth crunch anyways. You're correct. Active traffic management, along with infrastructure upgrades, are necessary to mitigate sustained bandwidth crunches. | |
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
·Embarq
| said by MarkHofmann :
It is interesting how Comcast released their official cap limits one month before the Xbox360's ability to stream movies and HD content from Netflix.
Very interesting..
Can anyone say "AntiTrust"?????
I can say it, but with fewer and fewer providers it's the screaming man in the forrest thing.
Netflix offers (for the time being) unlimited streaming on about, what, 10-15% of their content? And you can do it with your PC or an Xbox or that $99 box they sell (another company makes it). Add Apple TV and PPV is under heavy fire. Sure, I don't get the newest stuff from instant netflix, but I get something other than garbage TV, and I need bandwidth to do it. Imagine watching an hour or two every night of streaming content. I could go web-only in no time: news from the web and stream my entertainment. Cable TV goes buh-bye once the stream quality improves. But that's when Comcast (and the like) become the stick in the spokes ... watch it and weep; there's no way these providers are going to let 'flix and the others stream for nothing.
Non-native content will either be labeled and capped as such (mo money) or tiered caps will become part of the sub model along with speeds.
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meh37
@verizon.net | Remember... cable operators are very smart greedy.
Any "content" I get that "comes through the Internet" is none of my cable operator's business... literally. | |
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BSD24
Tier 4
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join:2008-04-30
Middleboro, MA
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2 edits | Re: Remember... said by meh37 :
cable operators are very smart greedy.
Any "content" I get that "comes through the Internet" is none of my cable operator's business... literally.
The caps are not always enforced. They have said that from the beginning. They always had a threshold they considered excessive, or when they should look at what the bandwidth is, like for example - spam. After about 80 emails in one day, one might want to see whats going on. AOL did the same. The FCC made Comcast put a number on it, instead of just monitoring traffic just like most major upstream and downstream backbone providers do already (ex. Cogent). They check for botnet activity, flooding, and plenty of other things. But 250 GB cap doesn't mean they will shut you off, and even if you were may not be permanent.
Speed Tier customers (old speed is 8Mbps down, some areas is now 16Mbps down) are usually less likely to be suspended for these types of issues because they purchased the extra tier because of gaming or other use that requires extra speed/bandwidth. This is why Comcast gives free gamers exclusive access and partnered with IGN (I believe they still do) for Speed Tier customers only. You can always call Comcast and appeal the decision to their security/abuse dept. anyways. I don't know about what other cable providers have in place, but I know Comcast has an abuse dept. (aka security dept.). | |
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Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | They should be more HD channels not the compressed ones then They should be more HD channels not the compressed ones then faster downloads.
Cable is falling behind Dish, Direct Tv, U-Verse, FIOS and others with HD. | |
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SHARPSHARK
join:2002-05-10
| Speed versus caps in Canada Just about everyone's, my comment is about caps. I would be interested to see the caps with such speeds. Because right now in Quebec, Videotron has really low caps compared to Comcast. 7Mbps/820Kbps is 20GB/10GB (Download/Upload)(it has been this way for YEARS) and 10Mbps/1Mbps is 100Gb(it was unlimited 1 year ago) download/upload combined.
And seeing how the CRTC doesn't follow example on the FCC, I have a feeling that we won't see these speeds in the next 10 years, here in Canada. D:
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON | Time to Fix the INterWeb what the f*ck would all that bandwidth be good for with a cap ??
move one big ass file super fast...
your at your limit for the month .
aaaaaaaaaaah .
time to fix the interweb ;\ | |
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decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
| its all going to hell Man.. Corporate greed is just killing the fun in this country with development of technology.. I mean whats the point of coming up with HD video streaming, or set top box's that you can store/stream movies to from netflix/blockbuster if your limited to a couple movies a month, or play your games and no movies.. Its simply retarded and regressive.. WTF ever happened to Innovation? Its all about the cotton green stuff now it seems.... Don't get me wrong.. I'm cool with company's making money.. But F-ing hell, make it through advancements in technology, not evil schemes and lies.. Consumer confidence has taken a major SH!7 Lately because of this sorta crap...
WE need to start seriously busting people lying about their products and start setting examples.. No more slapping of the wrist and tea party's to congradulate each other on their latest quick money scheme..
No wonder third world country's hate capitalism.. Without some small oversight and moderation.. It goes down hill.. | |
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