 b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
1 edit | Hmmm... Qwest DSL $39 for 1.5 megabit
Comcast HSI $42 for 6 megabit
Now I am not a cable fanboy but for the money cable is still the best deal.
Besides I still can not get DSL but two blocks away can? | |
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BIGMIKE
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Westminster, CA | Re: Hmmm... FiOS | |
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Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA | Re: Hmmm... Fios?
I live in a Qwest area and FIOS is a Verizon service. | |
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| iSEPIC
join:2001-04-17
Las Vegas, NV | ATT (SBC) is only $13.00 for 1.5 down here in my area. | |
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| hyperon
Premium
join:2006-02-04
Bastrop, TX
| said by b10010011  :Quest DSL $39 for 1.5 megabit Comcast HSI $42 for 6 megabit Now I am not a cable fanboy but for the money cable is still the best deal. Besides I still can not get DSL but two blocks away can? Yes this is the way to compare services on a dollar per mbps. Using your data:
Quest DSL is $26 per mbps.
Comcast HSI is $7 per mbps.
I pay $110 for a 6mbps /28 DSL static account with ATT:
Static DSL is 18.33 per mbps.
DSL is way too expensive. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Re: Hmmm... How much is static IP service with Comcast? The last time I checked it was $150/mo and you still had the restrictive TOS.
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join:2006-02-04
Bastrop, TX
| Re: Hmmm... said by oliphant :How much is static IP service with Comcast? The last time I checked it was $150/mo and you still had the restrictive TOS. Yes, this is why I'm still with SBC. | |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | Re: Hmmm... Right, which means you're making an unfair comparison. Compare dynamic Comcast with dynamic SBC Expert Plus.
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Omega
Displaced Ohioan
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join:2002-07-30
Cheyenne, WY
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| said by hyperon :said by b10010011 :Quest DSL $39 for 1.5 megabit Comcast HSI $42 for 6 megabit Now I am not a cable fanboy but for the money cable is still the best deal. Besides I still can not get DSL but two blocks away can? Yes this is the way to compare services on a dollar per mbps. Using your data: Quest DSL is $26 per mbps. Comcast HSI is $7 per mbps. I pay $110 for a 6mbps /28 DSL static account with ATT: Static DSL is 18.33 per mbps. DSL is way too expensive. You cannot compare a static IP account with a non-static IP account. They are two different things.
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join:2004-12-06
Indianapolis, IN | Re: Hmmm... Why can't you compare static to dynamic? They are the same cost here. aDSL vs. sDSL I would agree are different. | |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by b10010011 :Qwest DSL $39 for 1.5 megabit Comcast HSI $42 for 6 megabit Now I am not a cable fanboy but for the money cable is still the best deal. Besides I still can not get DSL but two blocks away can? I dunno. I have Comcast now, and quite frankly, I'm not terribly happy. The price just went up, and the service is pushing $50 with my privately owned cable modem.
I'm only getting about 3.3 megabit down, when they advertise 6.
For the most part, all I do at home anymore is surf the web, get e-mail, and the occasional iTunes download.
I plan on re wiring the cable coax in my house, since it is, admittedly, like a spaghetti diner and a rats nest rolled into one. I believe this will improve my modem's signal to noise ratio, and hopefully it's performance.
If not, Verizon's got a pretty good introductory rate for 768 dsl that I may look into.
Unless Comcast offered some sort of "lite" tier in the future.
Bottom line, Comcast is telling me how much faster they are, but they don't bring those speeds to the table  | |
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staticx57
join:2002-01-24
Toms River, NJ
clubs: | Re: Hmmm... Just remember though, it's never comcast's fualt. | |
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join:2005-05-26
Marietta, GA
| Re: Hmmm... said by staticx57 :Just remember though, it's never comcast's fualt. No doubt!!!!!! | |
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NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
 ·VOIPo
| said by N3OGH :said by b10010011 :Qwest DSL $39 for 1.5 megabit Comcast HSI $42 for 6 megabit Now I am not a cable fanboy but for the money cable is still the best deal. Besides I still can not get DSL but two blocks away can? I dunno. I have Comcast now, and quite frankly, I'm not terribly happy. The price just went up, and the service is pushing $50 with my privately owned cable modem. For the most part, all I do at home anymore is surf the web, get e-mail, and the occasional iTunes download. If not, Verizon's got a pretty good introductory rate for 768 dsl that I may look into. If all you do is surf the net, check e-mail and an occasional download, the DSL web page loading is faster than cable.
50 bucks is just too much to pay for Internet access.
With your cable modem, if your upstream transmit power is less than 45 and downstream less than 13, un-ratting the coax will not improve your speed. It might improve your S/N ratio but not enough to boost your speed.
I had cable for4 years and dumped it because of the 45 dollar charge and LOUSY throughput. | |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Hmmm... Well, I was willing to eat some crow on this one, but crow just aint on the menu this evening.
I attached my cable modem directly to the grounding block, and here are my results.
Direct Connection to grounding block
Downstream
Power .52 dBmV
Signal to noise ratio 34dB
Upstream
Power
39.25 dBmV
Speed test results were 3341 down, 348 up
Connected through my home's CATV wiring
Downstream
Power -3.09 dBmV
Signal to noise ration 34 dB
Upstream
Power 44.0 dBmV
Speed test results 3650 down, 348 up
Looks like the problem isn't the wiring. the 44 dBmV on the upstream isn't the best, but it's well within the limits, and I should be getting full speed with it.
Well, I'm getting PM'ed from the system, my trace route is in.... | |
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NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
| Re: Hmmm... As long as your S/N ratios are within spec as well as your transmit and receive power levels are good, you usually do not see an increase or decrease in speed.
What tends to happen is that as the upstream transmit power approached 50+ you start to lose sync and it sometimes appears as slow speeds.
your 44 reading is fine. | |
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| Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Verizon DSL $14.95
Comcast cable $52.99
THAT's why its like it is.. This is in New England, high population density. | |
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join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA
| Re: Hmmm... You got me thinking again on trying to save my grandmother some more money. I switched her off of Verizon DSL+POTs+cellularmonthly ($35+$25$40=$100 maybe) to ComcastCable+VonageVOIP+Prepaid ($42+$28+$10=$80) to save her $240 a year but now with Naked DSL I could get her down to $60 a month for another $240 a year savings ($25+$28+$10). Always good to be frugal with someone with a fixed income. Too bad I haven't used sunrocket enough. Could save another $120 a year with the 1 year service. | |
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NyQuil Kid
8f The Nyquil Kid
join:2001-01-06
Brick, NJ
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Hmmm... I look forward to your future arrest for stealing cable and using bandwidth that doesn't belong to you - here's an idea: Get a job - that's what I did when I attended college.
Sad that you actually take pride for being lazy - how pathetic.
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join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA
| Good for you! I might check with the neighbor. Hey I'd say if the cable company didn't shut off the line then too bad for them! You might want to go cheaper with like sunrocket and then get a prepaid cellular. Cingular has for $9 per month. Sunrocket is $18 a month. So you just half'd your bill! | |
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NyQuil Kid
8f The Nyquil Kid
join:2001-01-06
Brick, NJ | Re: Hmmm... Spoken like a gutless worm....
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UnKown
The Underground Network
join:2002-09-08
Orlando, FL | Re: Hmmm... well i could be leaching off the social programs. | |
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Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
·Comcast Formerly ..
2 edits | said by UnKown :lol, future arrest for stealing cable. you cant prove it! the cable company just accidentally hooked the wrong cable up. Thats called Passive Theft.:p
»www.ncta.com/press/press.cfm?PRi···icles=ok
Active theft, typically the focus of past signal theft efforts, is the result of illegal physical connections to the cable plant, or attaching or tampering with equipment to allow the reception of unauthorized services. Passive theft occurs when a consumer passively accepts cable services that are inadvertently flowing into the home due to faulty technical or operational procedures. Consumers are generally aware of passive theft because they're receiving services for which they're not being billed.
Sure you may not go to jail for it, but you can be sued in civil court and end up paying $$$. | |
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hamburglar_
join:2002-04-29
Columbus, OH
·WOW Internet and C..
| said by b10010011 :Besides I still can not get DSL but two blocks away can? I can get cable from two different providers, but I'm too far for DSL faster than 144k. Go figure. | |
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| DarkSithPro
join:2005-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA
1 edit | Coke vs. Pepsi, Chevrolet vs. Ford, Intel vs. AMD, ATI vs. nVidia....
Yup, we know where this topic is going...
My puter is better than yours n00b! | |
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Phil
Rojo Sol
Premium
join:2001-06-11
Camarillo, CA
·Verizon FIOS
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Hmmm... said by DarkSithPro :Coke vs. Pepsi, Chevrolet vs. Ford, Intel vs. AMD, ATI vs. nVidia.... Yup, we know where this topic is going... My puter is better than yours n00b! Yes, but we all know that Pepsi, Chevy, AMD, nVidia and DSL are better.
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join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Hmmm... said by Phil :Yes, but we all know that Pepsi, Chevy, AMD, nVidia and DSL are better. No Pepsi. Coke. | |
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sbdjaro
I Dunno
Premium
join:2004-01-29
Grand Junction, CO | This is how it pans out in my area.
Qwest DSL $50/m 6m/700k (actual) $8.33/M
Bresnan Cable $56/m 2.5m/320k (actual) $22.40/M
I guess I dont have any rants about Qwest because I have nothing to compair it to... | |
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| ebiebi
join:2003-08-13
Albuquerque, NM
4 edits | said by b10010011 :Qwest DSL $39 for 1.5 megabit Comcast HSI $42 for 6 megabit Now I am not a cable fanboy but for the money cable is still the best deal. Besides I still can not get DSL but two blocks away can? That's if you bundle with Comcrap TV. In Albuquerque, expanded basic costs almost 55 dollars a month. The reception is so bad here for CC that I had to cancel it. Basically I had really bad ingress issues with CC and there is nothing you can do about that.. except go with a comcast Digital box which will help a little since the shielding is pretty good to reduce ingress is. But the PQ is still bad and the audio on the analogs is a joke compared to my Dish setup.. In fact, I have 3 TV's on Dish all with interactive guides and one with a HD tuner.. AT120 channels for LESS then CC regular expanded cable (and that is with regular dish prices.. not a promo!) So for many, the only way to do HSI with CC is to un bundle the comcrap TV which then costs 60 dollars a month with predatory price and they only give you 4 megabit down.
As far as qwest goes... they have been discounting their DSL for a whole year for under 30 dollars a month. CC does not even have anything close to a full year promo.. not even remotely for their HSI as far as I have seen.. And if you do bundle their TV services to get their decent HSI price.. you will be spending alot more money then DSL/satellite. I am saving over thirty dollars a month with Dish/Qwest over what CC charged me for digital cable/HSI.. And comcast digital only provided me with a few local HD channels.. I have a OTA antenna connected to my 811HD receiver and get over a dozen local HD channels. Plus Comcast SA HD boxes suc big time.. the SA3050 makes the SD channels look dark.. PQ is horrible. The SA8000 was even worse screwing up the analogs something fierce when it was converting the analog to digital so it could record to HD.. Until CC goes full digital... which won't be anytime soon in Albuquerque, and drops their prices a bunch to come closer to sat prices.. I won't even try CC TV again.. But when my promo is over for qwest, I may jump on HSI promo with CC for 3 months and then go back to qwest on another promo.. Your right about one thing.. qwest 1.5 is not worth 40 bucks a month.. and CC HSI predatory unbundled HSI is not worth 60 either.. but there is a very easy way around that. It only takes me 5 minutes to switch accounts.
Qwest has also improved the distance issues a great deal my installing more RT's in Albuquerque.. Coverage is very good now compared to what it used to be. And so far, my up time is considerably better then it was with CC.. CC was not bad, but I do recall having small outages one or twice a month here. I have had my DSL connected since last July and so far not one outage yet.. which is pretty dang good.
I know that CC has lost alot of ground to Qwest.. at least in my local market. But to be honest, when streaming, and web surfing etc.. I can't tell the difference between CC and qwest connections.. And my DSL speed is as fast as advertised. And my upload is over twice as fast as CC was.. I think CC marketing speed increases in favor of lower prices is all marketing.. Most people will never notice. If anything, I do notice my improved upload speed.
As for installing my service.. I had a self install kit from Qwest.. When I received the modem everything was already done on their end.. I just put the dsl filters on my phones and I was up in minutes.. Never even called them.. it was more then smooth.. Every time I have had CC I have had to call them to activate.. and then wait hours for it to kick in.. But that is not a big deal for most being that is a one time problem. But I did expect more problems with DSL but I am happy to say that it has performed perfectly for me for over 6 months now in every way. | |
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GilbertMark
Premium
join:2001-05-02
Gilbert, AZ
·Cox HSI
| said by b10010011 :Qwest DSL $39 for 1.5 megabit Comcast HSI $42 for 6 megabit Now I am not a cable fanboy but for the money cable is still the best deal. Besides I still can not get DSL but two blocks away can? My Comcast HSI is $56.95 a month since I have the cheapest level of TV service with them.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| One problem... ... until telcos can beat the distance limitations, cable will be better.
If some ISP would get off the stick and start pushing REAL fiber(think symetrical), then we will forever be doomed to yawnfest speeds.
There are ISPs with real connections out there, too bad they are small pockets.
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Primis1
join:2005-06-13
Coldwater, MI
| Cable Missing the Point Cable thinks it's a Pricing thing. In many areas, it's not. it's a Reliability and Consistency thing.
Cable simple needs to reevaluate how they approach delivery of service. As it dawns on people that they lie about speeds and aren't willing to dedicate the resources to ensure consumers reahc those speeds, the exodus will only continue until the U.S. is like every other place in the world -- DSL dominated. | |
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| JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL | Re: Cable Missing the Point You call 4.4 millions new cable subs an exodus? | |
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| | Primis1
join:2005-06-13
Coldwater, MI
| Re: Cable Missing the Point Yes, when DSL has 5.2 million. 5.2 > 4.4.
Cable isn't stealing users from DSL, they're getting new first-time users. DSL, on the other hand, is getting many users from Cable directly.
It's a notable distinction, because it means as that well of brand-new users dries up, cable's "growth" base dries up. | |
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Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| Re: Cable Missing the Point said by Primis1 :Yes, when DSL has 5.2 million. 5.2 > 4.4. Cable isn't stealing users from DSL, they're getting new first-time users. DSL, on the other hand, is getting many users from Cable directly. Not really. Dsl uptake is coming from ex dial-up users. Cable added 4.4 subs without having to drop prices. It is safe to say that majority of dsl uptake was due to lower promotional prices. What do you think those dsl subs are going to do once their rate goes up in 6-12 months? Churn baby churn. | |
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Bencoder
@216.135.x.x | I disagree. It means DSL found a price point that even cheapskates who don't know a bit from a byte will shell out for monthly service. And that's all it means. | |
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Mineseemsok
@208.17.x.x
| I have had comcast for 2 years out here on the east coast. Its veryreliable. Never had to have a tech out...get full advertised speed..never had a problem. Saying they lie about speeds is not even arguable. I get my max.
Most people use the very unreliable speed test websites. They are usually always off. I can goto 3 different ones and they are all low. I fire up my Newsbinpro and get full download speed. | |
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chakey
Premium
join:2004-06-14
Gladstone, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
| Market Expansion What really needs to be done is for cable companies like RCN (overlayers) to go into more areas and offer more choice for Broadband. In our area, we have a choice of two cable providers. While this does not necessarily decrease the price we pay, the service and reliability are first rate because they know you can change any time you like! | |
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| cobo6
join:2002-02-18
Willingboro, NJ
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Market Expansion Unlike you, some people can't get choice. I live in Willingboro, NJ. Exit 5 on the turnpike. The only cable operater here is Comcast, or DSL from Verizon.
I was checking prices from other small local DSL providers and thier were charging close to Comcast prices for the same speed as Verizon (768). While other were alittle cheaper like 128 for about 13 dollars from one company, but the speed was just to slow for me. | |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | Are any overbuilders actually building, or have they all stopped? RCN in stopped building here (they eventually formally reneged on their agreement) around half a decade ago. | |
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chakey
Premium
join:2004-06-14
Gladstone, NJ
clubs: | Re: Market Expansion I don't know what is happening with RCN. I do know that they filed for Bankruptcy and have come out the other side rather successfully. | |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | Re: Market Expansion Do you know if anyone else is doing any overbuilding these days?
Just curious, because I haven't heard of any in quite a few years. | |
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chakey
Premium
join:2004-06-14
Gladstone, NJ
clubs: | Re: Market Expansion I have not heard of any! I guess it is a dying breed. | |
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bignate
join:2005-12-05
Austin, TX | cost the Introductory prices for dsl lately are great, here in texas basic dsl starts at $12.95 | |
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| hyperon
Premium
join:2006-02-04
Bastrop, TX
| Re: cost said by bignate :the Introductory prices for dsl lately are great, here in texas basic dsl starts at $12.95 This price only applies to new customers and with a 1 year contract. After the year is up it will go up to $34 a month.
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
| Re: cost
Not so. Existing customers can re rate to the 12.99 and, when the year is up, will be offered another deal to retain them. I was. I had the 19.95 contract and they offered to let me keep it for another year which was acceptable, but I knew the new price was in effect, asked for it and it was given to me. I dont care what anyone says, $12.99 for solid 1.5Mb DSL is a damn good deal. | |
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richardpor
Fur it up
join:2003-04-19
Portland, OR
| Verizon Hung-up on me. Two days ago I was called by a Verizon Telemarketer hawking Verizon DSL at an introductory rate of $14.00. I already have Comcast 6 Megs. I told here I was a Verizon customer and when I move a mere 5 yards across the hall to my new apartment. Verizon told me it will take 21 days and offer me their crappy dial-up this after calling two weeks in advance of my move in date to move my telephone service. I was assured my DSL would be moved at the same time but noooo. My DSL could not be moved until after 21 day after moving my phone service. Comcast only took 1.5 hours to connect me to the internet. The telemarketer hung up on me.
I am an EBay seller and spend much of my time researching for new suppliers or the value of antiques and collectables I sell. I could not wait 21 day of tying up my phone for DSL. That evening one year ago, I walked to office depot Comcast install kit and modem. I was to have Comcast HSI as soon as I got home but due to a problem Comcast told me it will take 14 hours to fix, it ended up taking Comcast 1.5 hours, the time it took me to go out for a pizza and beer.
The only way I might consider going back to Verizon is FIOS to my apartment complex or if Comcast continues to jack up the cost of cable. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| Cable is dead... ... without deploying DOCSIS 3.0 ASAP. Fiber will take care of the mainstream and high-end users whereas DSL will take care of entry level and other mainstream users.
The cable companies are already getting buttfucked by the telcos, due to their greed (cable's missed invesetment/development cycle). Although now many of them slowly upgrading their core network but the raising number of high bitrate-based HD channels they have to carry on the same network and the pressure from faster technologies like the imminent ADS2+ startup together cable means providers are under very heavy fire - unfortunately most of them (see relevant recent statements from Charter's or Comcast's boss) still think it's OK, all they need to do is rape the public discourse again (see the two-tiered internet idea, unfortunately telcos are partners in this), so they can keep cashing on without bigger investment.
In the meantime US is now out of the first 10 countries of the world when it comes to broadband - 5-6 years and we degraded behind Europe or Asia. Great work, thanks. | |
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pb5k
more cowbell
Premium
join:2005-11-16
Glendale, AZ
·Cox HSI
| Re: Cable still best bang for buck; except where Fios available I think the cable/dsl thing is very regional.
In my area it's Charter Cable, Verizon DSL (no fios yet), or dialup.
Now Verizon's plan is $30 for 3000/384 and that's their highest service level.
Charter's plans start at $48 for the 384/128 plan and $55 for 3000/256. Charter offers the highest level of service here but you have to pay a lot more for it - $67 for 5000/384. The funny part is the charter rep bragged about how excellent 384k is as an upload speed. I had to laugh. | |
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rideboarder
welcome to the social
Premium
join:2003-07-28
Snohomish, WA
clubs:
| Re: Cable still best bang for buck; except where Fios available said by pb5k :Now Verizon's plan is $30 for 3000/384 and that's their highest service level. Verizon has 3000/768 not 384 | |
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pb5k
more cowbell
Premium
join:2005-11-16
Glendale, AZ | Re: Cable still best bang for buck; except where Fios available Indeed, you are correct. Thanks for pointing that out. | |
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Dragasoni
We're All Mad Here
Premium
join:2001-12-14
Rotonda West, FL
| I guess it depends on the providers themselves, and your area. In my area, I have two options: DSL or Cable. If I wanted DSL, I'd have to order a land line at a $55 install fee, plus $30 a month. I could then pay $37.95 a month for 3000/768 kbps DSL. That's almost $70 a month for slower service, and a land line that only telemarketers will call me on.
Or, I could get cable at 7000/512 kbps for $44.95 a month. Since my condo association pays for 83 channels of TV, my cable bill is a mere $44.95 a month for basic cable and internet.
I'd rather have more upload, but I believe Verizon filters port 25 and 80...those ports being open are a must for me.
So, why would I choose Verizon DSL when cable gives me so much more? Granted my sitution is a bit unique...I doubt anyone living here has DSL because of it.
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anon15
@chcgil.ameritech
| Thats what you think. When comcrap bougth out ATTBI and came into my town, and wanted to increase the prices, I switched to SBC Yahoo DSL. For 3 years I have had SBC, and at first I wasnt happy being capped at 768kb/sec but a year later when considering to drop them when my contract expired, they boosted the lowest maximum speed package to 1.5Mb/sec and 256kb/sec upload, for $29.99/month which at the time impressed me for the price. 6 months after that, I noticed a boost in upload speed to 384 kb/sec on 1500/256 package and the price dropped to 26.95/month and 6 months ago, when AT&T and SBC merged, they dropped the lowest speed package with a maximum of 1.5Mb/sec down and 384Kb/sec up to a price of $16.00/month. Around that time they called my house to say that the phone lines in my town were upgraded recently and that my line qualified to handle the SBC Yahoo DSL Pro Package with a maximum of 3Mb/sec down/512 Kb/sec up for $26.95 a month so I had them upgrade it, I am now happy getting a stable connection of 312KB/sec download and on average 52KB/sec upload. I was told that my line could handle the 6Mb/sec package since I am within the limits from the CO to get it. However at this time I am not in need of that kind of speed. I find this more convenient with the telcos that you have a choice on your bandwidth so that you can cut down your internet usage costs unlike comcrap that forces you to take at a minimum their 6Mb/sec service for over $50/month. So what if its half the bandwidth, its 3Mb/sec still fast enough and the differenc in time to download the same file on the same server would be by 3 seconds, very little difference. Also my upload speeds beat comcrap anyday and I am not under a contract under the terms of the Comcast download limit policy that many folks with comcrap have been complaining about. SBC has really cleared up its image, and stepped up its customer service. Also comcrap enforces those policies because they use a shared medium to implement the service instead of using a dedicated medium per subscriber to guarantee a certain speed like the telcos do. Thus the more users on a cable network, the more overhead is involved and degrade in performance. On the other hand with switched networks that dedicate bandwidth to subscribers, the network overhead does not increase as more subsribers are added to the network. In regards to your post, that DSL is a poor stepchild, you have been misled. The days when DSL on an average was slow are over. The reality is that DSL has been growing to areas not just where cable doesnt see as profitable, it moves into areas where cable also sees profitable like in my town and many others suburbs of big cities like Chicago. It also would be too expensive for a telco like SBC to upgrade their CO and telephone infrastructure to provide DSL service to just an area that is claimed to be unprofitable because they would not make enough money for it to be profitable. Also keep in mind, that there are distance limitations on DSL, such that a subscriber has to be within 15000 feet from the CO to qualify for the service. COs tend to be in the center of town in a suburban town or city, not in the countryside where there is lots of farmland. I dont find a city or suburban town with an average income of 100k a year and good schools to be unprofitable. There has to be enough demand for the service for even SBC to spend its resources on a particular location. Unless you mean unprofitable for comcast to upgrade its own infrastructure in an area with out of date equipment that it obtained in a buyout or a new subdivision of houses, not unprofitable by the average income of the population, that is a different story and is comcraps problem. In addition, SBC, now AT&T is planning to deploy fiber to the home. It will be interesting when they do that because the speed with fiber will far exceed beyond that offered on cable. | |
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Rob A
Same Old Jets
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join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ
| Keep it up Verizon This is no surprise with VOL's new 768k/128k tier for only 14.95/month and standard 3Mbps/768Kbps for only 29.95/month, they will continue to chip away at cable. Especially since OOL chargers 44.95/month here with caps.
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here
| DSL pricing I asked in the rior thread but never got affirmation or denial. the article had stated the price people are paying is going up. That could indicate people are upgrading and getting faster speeds(which are more expensive) rather then the cost of DSL going up. | |
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Dominokat
"Hi"
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join:2002-08-06
Boothbay, ME
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1 edit | Not in Rural areas.... Although the gap is narrowing between the Cable Co, and DSL. There are areas that only cable serves. Like my home. Although DSL is in my town, it is only a very small area. It isn't on my street and most likely never will be since it is a small town and there isn't a profit to be made for the providers. I'm sure the cable co isn't making much money serving my town, with or without TV service counted.
Cable isn't limited by distance like DSL.
I am not sure at all, but I bet DSL is taking over Cable in well populated areas, not rural.
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join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: Not in Rural areas.... Cable and DSL have node distance limitations. DSL is just more well known because telcos have fewer nodes. And most rural areas would suprise you in terms of DSL vs cable availability. | |
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join:2003-07-26
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| have to agree with the orignal post This has been discussed many times here, some like cable, more like dsl,
I've had dsl within 2 weeks of getting my 1st computer in late 1999, and I have always upgraded faster speeds were offered. but in 2005 I decided that i would try (time warner cable internet for a week & compare along side of dsl,side by side2 different internal modems-(no 1 at a time trials) modems, both were operating with a compaq 7585 with 384 Mb of ram & 700 mhz.
and while cable might be a "little",9stress only on
A LITTLE, faster (like 2 cars running down the highway,
DSL ran flat out at 430 mph
cable ran 550 mph
there was a little difference,
but i noticed cable ran better,faster in the morning hours & seemed to slow down a little in the afternoons,
think i'll again stay with my dsl.."jazzy" | |
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join:2005-05-13
Marietta, GA | DSL ROCKS I pay $49.92 for Rock Solid 6Meg Download BS DSL
Seed test show 6.2 - 6.5Meg down load | |
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Dominokat
"Hi"
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join:2002-08-06
Boothbay, ME
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| Re: Not in Rural areas.... said by bogey780 :Cable and DSL have node distance limitations. DSL is just more well known because telcos have fewer nodes. And most rural areas would suprise you in terms of DSL vs cable availability. I won't hold my breath for it to come down my road during my life time. I don't belive Boothbay Maine is even a blip on any DSL privers map. Or Verizons to extend what they have here.
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LegoPower77
Abecedarian
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join:2002-08-03
Arlington, VA
| Market @ work/flipside of speed Do we have the numbers on how many of these new dsl customers are like myself and get the low 768/1(something) tier? It's only like $18-$19/month after taxes and the relatively low speed makes it more competitive against dial-up companies, I would think. I mean, most people who are really into The Internet probably have dropped their copper altogether, so the chintzy bundling the telcos do probably keeps them out of the dsl market.
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join:2003-07-26
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| Re: Market @ work/flipside of speed LegoPower77, Remember this though,you get what you pay for,
your not going to pay your
It's only like $18-$19/month and get top of the line DSL,i'am paying 39.95 for mine & 39.95 for a friends,for over last 2 years, the bright side your saving $41.00 over me, the dark side, you won't get the speed that i am getting, same as I won't get the speeds that others are getting paying what i am."jazzy", I'am happy with what i have as far as speed goes | |
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LegoPower77
Abecedarian
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join:2002-08-03
Arlington, VA | Re: Market @ work/flipside of speed For the money, I don't mind waiting 15 min for a pirated mp3 vs. 1-2 min. | |
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NY Tel
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join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
| Re: Market @ work/flipside of speed said by LegoPower77 :For the money, I don't mind waiting 15 min for a pirated mp3 vs. 1-2 min. Exactly.... | |
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NY Tel
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join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY | Dry loop DSL by Verizon is now 14.95 for 768 X 128 with your phone line.
or 19.95 for standalone with NO phone line bundled anymore.
Taxes are $1.50 total. Nothing else.
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orion940
Paralyzed By Confusion
Premium
join:2001-12-23
Windsor, CT
·AT&T Yahoo
| SBC/ATT pricing can't be beat for me I just upped for 12 months with 17.99 for 3/512. No caps, and a solid connection. What good is cable speed (at better than twice the price) if I can use it because of the caps?
My uptime on DSL is 99%. Can't beat that.
The landline requirement doesn't bother me. I keep minimal service on the line. I really need a land line for various reasons. My total phone bill is less than my cable TV alone.
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roztaylor
join:2000-10-21
Madison, AL
·AT&T Yahoo
| Re: SBC/ATT pricing can't be beat for me said by orion940 :I just upped for 12 months with 17.99 for 3/512. No caps, and a solid connection. What good is cable speed (at better than twice the price) if I can use it because of the caps? [snip] About an hour ago, I went to ATT.com to see what deals might be offered to existing customers. I got a congrats page that said I could upgrade my existing SBC Express DSL to the AT&T Yahoo [...] PRO package for $17.99 per month for 12 months.
I read the TOS and package description, then hit the "add to cart" button. I then received a message that started: "Our system indicates that you already have ..." It goes on to say call the appropriate number M-F 0800-2000. Of course, it was AFTER 2000--so I'll have to call tomorrow.
It was not the "new service" button, and the page asked for my existing service number and retrieved my SBC login info. I checked my bill and my bill says "Express" not "Pro".
Bait & switch?
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roztaylor
join:2000-10-21
Madison, AL
·AT&T Yahoo
| Re: SBC/ATT pricing can't be beat for me said by roztaylor : Bait & switch? Have to report that, it really must have been their computer server problems last night. I just played "ring around"--with 5 or 6 people on the telephone. The last tech support person gave me a number to call.
I decided that before I called I would try the on-line route one more time...this time using IE (I don't normally use IE). Today it added it to my cart and now I just wait for the new speed and pricing to start!
Yea!!! My budget is saved!
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jinu117
join:2003-01-01
Riverside, CA
|  MB/$?
In actuality I am getting 600kbps...
Well... what can I say. Cable can't be beat for that criteria yet unless...
#1. If your cable provider is half assed...which is 50% of time.
#2. If your dsl speed doesn't ramp up to 6gb which is offered at many places.
#3. You just don't have choice. | |
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA
·Cox HSI
| yearly flip flop with dsl offering real cheap service right now I see alot of customers jumpimg ship in a year when they end up paying full price for slow service.
even the best dsl I could get (1.5-3Mbps) is slower than the mid tier cable I have now. (4 Mbps with 5 being the top tier) | |
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antdude
A Ninja Ant
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-25 | Not in my area. My area can't get DSL, FiOS, etc. Only cable. | |
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phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
·Verizon Wireless B..
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1 edit | Re: Not in my area. You know, all this faster speed will have a horrible end result eventually. I am waiting for the day someone writes a worm that will spread so fast that the internet will just halt completely on all points. Then we will just get infected much quicker.
And don't get started on the "firewall, security" this and that, because it can be as trivial as a mp3/jpg vunerability, or one of those nasties... | |
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zipwired
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Hampton, VA
| Cable Rules for Now I'm in Hampton Roads area of VA. Lucky to have choices. I'm currently on Cox Cable 15Mbps/2Mbps for $54.99 a month.
Have Verizon DSL in area to but to slow compard to Cox. Plus have Verizon FIOS coming within next six months they will have up to 30Mbps/5Mbps plan. | |
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atuarre
Here come the drums
Premium
join:2004-02-14
Lake Charles, LA
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| RE - Cable vs DSL If I actually had a choice, I would choose DSL. We have Cox Communications here and the service, and speed at times are horrible. Bellsouth is the ILEC here, and if I could get DSL service, I would sign up with them in a new york minute. The prices are more competitive also. | |
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Cable Vs. DSL
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Cable still best bang for buck; except where Fios available