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kudos:4 | said by SLD:Probably they don't have actual capacity to sell to their entire usebase, but this gives them bragging rights without offering a viable product. BINGO!
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kudos:1 | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? $700 per house passed, then $700 per installation/subscription. | |
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Grove City, PA | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? Because Verizon has a popular wireless division and landline income.
All those rural people paying $67 for POTS and $8 dollars for caller ID helped contribute.
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kudos:1 | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? CV doesn't get USF $, and doesn't sell $10.95 caller ID, and doesn't have a wireless division with premium pricing (compared to sprint) that extorts rural users (no SPCS or TM). The video programing eats the vast majority of CV's revenue. CV's Lightpath division's business broadband penetration is limited. Business still subscribe to pure profit bonded T1s from Verizon as if nothing else exists other than a T1. Also I don't think CV has any government customers, Verizon has tons of government customers that will pay whatever Verizon writes on the bill, they have an unlimited source of money, YOU! | |
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1 edit | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? They aren't bleeding voice customers by the tens of thousands either nor are they dropping $21B.
There is no excuse for them charging a $300 junk fee other than the simple fact that their network can't support this tier so they have to do what they can to insure no one buys it while still being able to throw a "$99 for the fastest broadband" claim around. | |
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Grove City, PA | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? Wiki says CV had 7.23B in revenue in 2007, compared to Verizon's almost 100B.
I'd rather ask the question, why does it cost so much per sub for 3.0..
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00000 | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? Cablevision has one of the highest per subscriber revenue rates in the industry »www.chicagotribune.com/business/···23.story . There is no excuse for a $300 junk fee other than to dissuade users from signing up since their network can't support a 100Mb tier. | |
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Grove City, PA | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? If their infrastructure can't handle the tier, why would they spend so much per person to upgrade it? Where is this limitation?
Even if it was for something ludicrous, like bragging rights, it would take years to make up the initial investment.
I don't blame them, maybe $70-100 dollars goes to just a modem and the rest is to recoup some of the costs. And I'm sure most NY residents earn a pretty high average salary compared to the rest of the country.
If somebody wants it, they'll buy it.
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00000 | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? Because the old tier could not handle sustained 20Mb service which is the reason they resort to gimmicks like powerboost.
The "old" network was designed for 10Mb service in an era where there wasn't tons of content and even then CV would cap uploads of "excessive" users.
Channel bonding will allow them to provide fairly reliable 40-50Mb powerboosted speeds but it simply can't provide capacity in these huge sustained quantities to more than just a couple of users.
This tier is all about marketing which is why they have to huge junk fee which insures even less adoption by higher end subscribers. | |
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College Station, TX | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? said by Bit:Because the old tier could not handle sustained 20Mb service which is the reason they resort to gimmicks like powerboost. The "old" network was designed for 10Mb service in an era where there wasn't tons of content and even then CV would cap uploads of "excessive" users. Channel bonding will allow them to provide fairly reliable 40-50Mb powerboosted speeds but it simply can't provide capacity in these huge sustained quantities to more than just a couple of users. This tier is all about marketing which is why they have to huge junk fee which insures even less adoption by higher end subscribers. You obviously fail to realize the revenue that the ILECs like AT&T, and Verizon bring in, plus access to the universal service fund (that little line on your bill that adds up to billions upon billions of dollars worth of mismanaged money) vs Cable companies income. Sometimes i think people just post stuff, to stir the pot, with no real basis what so ever. Having different divisions, like a wireless division, and a landline division, and long distance helps the telcos. | |
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3 edits | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? You're right, it does appear some people just post stuff just to post stuff. No other cable operator is charging a $300 activation fee on top of an install fee. Not Comcast, not Cox.
Of course Verizon's overall revenues are higher. They have millions and millions of subscribers. Those larger revenues also have to support an aged and huge infrastructure (their expenses are higher by far). But in the scale that matters, per subscriber revenues, Cablevision is near the top of the industry.
So Verizon spends 3X Cablevision's entire revenue deploying FiOS and still doesn't have to charge for an install. In fact I can't think of any cable operator who charges $335 in activation and install fees. Cox certainly doesn't, they charge $100 for install. Comcast doesn't. Despite the expense of installing an ONT and pulling cable, Verizon doesn't charge for the install either.
Fact is there is simply no justification for such exorbitant junk/install fees other than Cablevision desperately wants to avoid too many people signing up because their network couldn't handle more than a few users local to each other on that tier. At the same time they want to mislead people/media about the price with big print $99 pricing with the real cost buried in the fine print.
Simply put, Cablevision wants to be able to make the claim of "fastest broadband service" while having a scant few actually take them up on the offer because their newly upgrade network isn't up to the task. | |
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College Station, TX | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? I seriously doubt Cablevision is the top cable company, or near the top of the industry. Think they are surpassed by Comcast, Cox, Charter, and Time Warner. | |
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00000 | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? »www.chicagotribune.com/business/···23.story
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The average monthly revenue per subscriber rose 5.4 percent to $136.55, among the highest in the cable TV industry.
So while they may been spending money on their subscribers, they get a ton of money from their subscribers, near the highest in the industry. | |
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Grove City, PA | Well they don't seem to offer analog tv, and that used up what, 65Mbps?
Seems to me like they will have the pipe for it with no analog. After all, what I've come across says the bottle neck for those speeds isn't the coax, just yet, it's the hardware and 3.0 is supposed to remedy that.
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00000 | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? Thing is that analog is the same for everyone across the entire franchise area. It certainly frees up some additional channels to dedicate to HSI as would SDV but unless they dedicate a shitload of channels to HSI, they will never be able to support even remotely prevalent 100Mb service.
As previously they are trying to squeeze blood from a turnip. Instead of being reasonable, it is like their marketing department instead of their network engineers are determining the tier speeds they offer. They're going to quickly be in the same capacity mess they were in before the upgrades if they keep promising speeds the network has no hope of supporting.
They should offer 10, 20, 30Mb tiers with PB speeds to 50-60Mb, maybe even powerboosted speeds to 100Mb. That would be the responsible thing to do and insure that everyone has a good experience without the need for draconian network management efforts. | |
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00000 | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? I'm saying gimmick in that a cable company can use it to provide 20-30Mb service without actually providing 20-30Mb service. And at least with my cable provider, Cox, more and more advertising shows the Powerboost speed as the tier speed and only on the actual order pages on their website do you see what the true tier speeds are. | |
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FiOS install was free, and the tech
-Ran the fiber drop from the pole to my house
-Fed the fiber into the basement
-Installed the ONT and BBU
-Ran coax to the two splitters I have from the ONT
-Configured the ONT and Router
-Activated all 3 STBs
-Tested to make sure the alarm worked while he was still there
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Atlantic, IA | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? IIRC I paid $300 for my first cable modem | |
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1 edit | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? I paid it for my first blow job bluetooth headset. | |
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00000 | Hmmm, $300, that is what my 386DX33 proc cost. Paid about that for my trash-80 floppy at the ACP swap meet. | |
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| A $300 fee on top of a $99/month cost will not keep anyone that needs this level of service from getting it. It works out to 129/month if it is kept a year. What is does is keep someone who wants to just try it out short term from jumping in and out.
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Rosendale, NY | What we have here is another case of corporate greed. The cable companies will be the next ones to go to DC asking for a handout. Wait and see.
Why is broadband so expensive in the US when compared to the rest of the world? I think it has, in large part, to do with the mentality of greed that has overcome this country.
It used to be that people wanted to simply make a living. Now they want to make a killing.
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Denver, CO | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? I don't think you know anything about business. It cost allot to maintain fiber optic transport line and manage the routers/switch. This is really cheap compared to metro Ethernet or another transport service I could write page on why this is a great deal for small business. | |
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? No it doesn't. | |
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Colorado Springs, CO | More like you're paying for the Docsis 3.0 modem up front. If anything you should own that outright if you bought into this package.
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kudos:12 | Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? said by NOCMan:More like you're paying for the Docsis 3.0 modem up front. If anything you should own that outright if you bought into this package. You can pick them up much cheaper than $300 retail.
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kudos:1 | CV has a problem about collecting, and billing for unreturned modems. Or they are really free, or they are free after a certain amount of time. I'm not sure. | |
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Suffern, NY | said by NOCMan:More like you're paying for the Docsis 3.0 modem up front. If anything you should own that outright if you bought into this package. The cost of a SB6120 (one of the two supported modems) from Amazon is ~$95. You can get a better price from others. | |
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Tulsa, OK | welcome to country club broadband. one way or another we'll figure out how to separate the haves from the have nots. | |
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| Re: Corp exec retirement fund contribution fee? said by inteller:welcome to country club broadband. one way or another we'll figure out how to separate the haves from the have nots. I can't afford Cablevision's lowest-price Internet service, which is $45 per month. If it was $25 (say, for 3 Mbs), I'd be a Cablevision customer. So, Verizon gets my money instead.
Cablevision is only for the rich.
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Mount Kisco, NY | I got a letter from Optimum yesterday --- they have a promotion going on until the end of this month where they will add voice to online and charge $29.95/month for both of these for a year. Not particularly compelling --- except they're also offering $200 back in the form of an American Express gift card as long as you keep this promotion for 4 months.
So do that, and then order Ultra! In a few months, you end up with 2/3rds of your activation fee recouped! | |
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kudos:2 | Activation Fee In fairness, the 'activation fee' raises the price to $125/mo. for the first 12 months - not in perpetuity.
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White Plains, NY | Insane $300 activation fee for residential service, are they insane!!? | |
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Upper Marlboro, MD | outrageous fee What they should do is to waive the $300 fee if the subscriber signs a two year contract. That way, the subscriber won't jump ship for now when FIOS ups the ante with speeds in excess of 100 megs by summer. | |
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| | hmm. I am guessing they are doing this for a couple of reasons.
1. they will prob be running a seperate drop to the docsis 3 modem. I am pretty sure cablevision normally charges to do this .
Also they are prob doing it to make sure people dont order it for a month then drop back down to boost or regular.
Cablevision states this service is mainly for small businesses and people who really need it at home.
The $300 activation fee makes sure of that. | |
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Glendale, CA | Bleh Wow that's a pretty hefty activation fee but what the heck, if you want that bandwidth, you might as well have the pockets 
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NOW Verizon doesn't have much to worry about if that's the way Cablevision wants to 1-up the competition. I seriously doubt that will hold.. BTW there is no INSTALLATION.. you bring your cablemodem into a cablevision office and swap it for a docsis 3 modem.. there is no need for a tech.. the existing install works just fine.
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| | Stupid I'm a cable guy and I have to say this is just stupid. FIOS OWNS cable. When FIOS shows up the only thing a cable co can do is lower prices since they are too cheap to do proper FTTH upgrade. | |
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Hyde Park, NY | Re: Stupid said by Anonymous:I'm a cable guy and I have to say this is just stupid. FIOS OWNS cable. When FIOS shows up the only thing a cable co can do is lower prices since they are too cheap to do proper FTTH upgrade. FIOS doesnt own anything. I had 15/5 internet with optimum back in 2001. thats 8 years ago. when did FIOS come out? | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Stupid said by max pl:FIOS doesnt own anything. I had 15/5 internet with optimum back in 2001. thats 8 years ago. when did FIOS come out? OOL was 10/1 back then I believe. Where did you get 15/5? | |
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said by max pl:said by Anonymous:I'm a cable guy and I have to say this is just stupid. FIOS OWNS cable. When FIOS shows up the only thing a cable co can do is lower prices since they are too cheap to do proper FTTH upgrade. FIOS doesnt own anything. I had 15/5 internet with optimum back in 2001. thats 8 years ago. when did FIOS come out? | |
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| | | | said by max pl:said by Anonymous:I'm a cable guy and I have to say this is just stupid. FIOS OWNS cable. When FIOS shows up the only thing a cable co can do is lower prices since they are too cheap to do proper FTTH upgrade. FIOS doesnt own anything. I had 15/5 internet with optimum back in 2001. thats 8 years ago. when did FIOS come out? No, you didnt. OOL never offered 15/5.
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I don't need 101/15 bad enough to piss $300 away right now. I'll leave it to the early adopters sort this one out, work out the kinks, and get charged to be the guinea pigs.
Once Ultra gets rolling, I'd be interested to see Verizon's revised offers for customers in Cablevision's footprint. Somehow I sense a lower download, a higher upload, and no activation fee.
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kudos:1 | Re: Deceptive My thoughts exactly!! Cablevision "Bishop takes Pawn" Fios your move . | |
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Chicago, IL | Rape is still illegal isn't it? We really need some competition, a third network or better regulation of cable and telephone. | |
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| | Not a smart move Seems unwisely obnoxious. If they're not ready to sell the tier then they shouldn't offer it. If the tier is genuinely unprofitable they should not have proposed it. This smells too bait-and-switch'ish for comfort. | |
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|  ShamayimI already have a Messiah.Premium
join:2002-09-23 | Re: Not a smart move Regardless of what it cost CV per customer to roll Ultra out, the way they've done this they lost a lot more in customer goodwill, IMHO.
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If you dont want to spend some money on a company giving you technology advancements than why should they spend the money on you! | |
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 SolitudeDon't forget to bring a towelPremium
join:2000-04-29
New York | Ridiculous activation fee I've been a longtime OOL customer with BOOST, and I was considering upgrading to their new ULTRA service, but a $300 activation fee is ridiculous and I'd be surprised if many people agree to pay that.
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| | | Re: Ridiculous activation fee All I can say is that they need to clean up their marketing department and get some folks that can sell.
Activation fee is a joke.
I just upgraded with Charter and here is my total activation/install cost:
Self install = $000.00
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join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT | Presumably... CV is presumably not deploying this service system wide but rather activating it on a per-node basis as customers signup so there's some overhead required to do that. If it's worth $300 or not is the choice of the customer. Obviously CV being a for-profit organization is structuring the pricing as such. | |
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College Station, TX | RE As someone said before, the price probably has a lot to do with people who want to try something out for a week, and then they want to go back to what they had. | |
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IN THAT MARKET, FiOS is quite competitive, and under bundle terms with or without yearly commitments, is cheaper.
Regardless, through the first year of service, with Ultra's $300 activation fee, FiOS is cheaper than Ultra under any conditions.
I suspect the $300 "Activation fee" is a deliberate ploy by Cablevision to discourage adoption of this tier because the network is in reality, incapable (as is) of supporting any real-world number of power users.
You can see the numbers of posters in the OOL forum who are NOW NOT going to be jumping on this tier as a direct result of this. In appearance, Cablevision is making the tier cost-prohibitive by having such an outlandish "Activation fee", which would make the tier solely a marketing gimmick to "claim" the top-prize in the speed wars in the New York region. It also lends much more credence to the Verizon rep who originally opined that the tier '..is nothing more than a "parlor trick" '. | |
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