  MikePremium,Mod
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| One serious question Back when I was on 768k/128k Verizon DSL, OOL had 10mb/1mb service a long time ago.
8 years have passed I can get 3mb/768k DSL and has a that 30/5 tier.
Comcast (now in my area after 10 years!) cable modem sucks in my area. I think this is because everyone and their mother, again literally, are running from Verizon's poor and expensive service.
How can Cablevision with as small of a footprint as they have be able to throw all this bandwidth out and not go completely bankrupt? Is it a management style? Low overhead?
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Hopewell Junction, NY | Re: One serious question said by swintec:said by Mike: How can Cablevision with as small of a footprint as they have be able to throw all this bandwidth out Actually, I think this is how they DO offer these speeds. so we should break up all the big providers then?  | |
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| said by Skippy25:Its a matter of want. Whether the foot print is 10 square miles or 10,000 square miles if they wanted to (had true competition) they would do it. Cost of bandwidth to them is not nearly the monster they make it out to be. Cablevision has a node every 10th pole in FIOS areas. This is very recent. Awhile ago a node was hard to find. This has to be costing Cablevision a few bucks. A CATV node needs power and battery backup to convert from glass to copper. An outage of a few hours will drain the batteries and there is no generator backup. Verizon's nodes are passive, no power required. | |
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join:2001-06-24
Webster, NY | Why sure I have a comment Wish that we had OOL here ! | |
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1 edit | Don't get too excited. Doesn't Optimum Online have strict bandwidth caps? They also screw around with any peer-to-peer traffic.
Yeah, have fun with those fast speeds for about 30 seconds, then get slapped down to dial-up speeds.
I'm orgasming in excitement over this new development from Cablevision, and I just can't wait to leave my ISP with no bandwidth capping procedures. | |
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|  MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Don't get too excited. OOL does have some upload caps, but "strict" is hardly accurate description. BOOST users have never been upload capped, and we haven't heard of regular users getting capped in about a month now.
they also do screw around with afaik bittorrent and edk traffic, but not to the same degree as comcast or other isp. bittorent and edk are still very usable on OOL.
those fast speeds last as long as you transfer your data, not burst for the 1st 30sec. | |
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|  StreetSpiritThis spot reserved for Xenu.Premium
join:2002-08-13
Roslyn, NY
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PRTG Metrics: BOOST Upload Interface | 
PRTG Metrics: BOOST Download Interface |
said by 45612019:Doesn't Optimum Online have strict bandwidth caps? They also screw around with any peer-to-peer traffic. Yeah, have fun with those fast speeds for about 30 seconds, then get slapped down to dial-up speeds. I'm orgasming in excitement over this new development from Cablevision, and I just can't wait to leave my ISP with no bandwidth capping procedures. RUBBISH.
This has never been true on BOOST. BOOST was advertised as server-friendly, with 30/2 (later 30/5 speeds) from day 1.
And for all we know, it is probably not even happening on regular OOL anymore. Infact, there hasn't been a report of a person being capped in at least two months on the standard OOL tier.
Up until BOOST was introduced, I was a very frequent victim of capping and am one of the few people on these forums who can brag about being suspended for a week like a child by my ISP when I hit my 4th cap in some 2.5 years. Of course at that point I immediately switched ISPs. This was back in September 2005.
In September 2006, Cablevision had introduced the BOOST tier, first at 30/2 speeds. I was hesitant to come back but was assured that capping would not occur by a person who is very much in the know. Still, I spent three months literally maxing out the upload and download sides 24/7. Not a peep...
Sometime soon they upgraded all of BOOST customers to 5mbit upload from 2mbit, and now, completely uncapped the downstream side of BOOST customers, allowing me to reach 35mbit speeds routinely, with the potential of ~38mbps.
On the regular tier, they also raised the modem's limit from 15,000,000bps to 16,500,000bps (basically doing what Verizon ADSL does by slightly over-provisioning the maximum speed of a user to allow that user to hit the advertised speed.)
I am absolutely awed by BOOST and have had it for a little over a year now in two locations, Kings County, NY and Nassau County, NY.
Here is my household usage for the last few months (all PCs are accounted for.)
Do you think Verizon, or for that matter whatever your ISP is would let me upload a terabyte per month? Doubt it.
May 2007: Downloaded: 172.52GB, Uploaded: 309.21GB, TOTAL: 481.73GB
June 2007: Downloaded: 694.21GB, Uploaded: 164.33GB, TOTAL: 858.54GB
July 2007: Downloaded: 471.26GB, Uploaded: 1079.94GB, TOTAL: 1,551.20GB
August 2007: Downloaded: 104.40GB, Uploaded: 132.22GB, TOTAL: 236.62 GB *(Why so little? Vacation! )
September 2007: Downloaded: 8.37GB, Uploaded: 83.27GB, TOTAL: 91.64GB (The month is two days old :x )
What was that about orgasming in excitement?
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| | Wow. Just wow.. Good for them and their customers.. I'm sure we'll never see anything like this from Comcrap.
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join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL | Unbelievable..... This is the US, not Japan. How are they able to offer this?!? Every other ISP is screaming uncle because of bandwidth demands, and it goes against every rational argument big cable ISP's (like my Comcast) have against running uncapped.
I'm jealous. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Unbelievable..... perfect example of (somewhat) healthy competition with verizon. | |
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1 edit | said by kaila:This is the US, not Japan. How are they able to offer this?!? Every other ISP is screaming uncle because of bandwidth demands, and it goes against every rational argument big cable ISP's (like my Comcast) have against running uncapped. I'm jealous. You've got to keep in mind this is New York.
New York's backbone infrastructure rivals or exceeds that of every other country in the world. Bandwidth costs less in NY than it does in any other state, and significantly less than some states.
If Cablevision offered service in the central or midwest states, you would not see anything approaching these speeds. | |
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kudos:3 | It won't last long. This is more of a test than anything - I bet you. @Home did this in the past and they went the way of bankruptcy. There is no way to run a network like this with any form of QoS.
When the networks of a few years back pulled this, and they grew, there was no way to get a valid product to the home.
My guess is that this will last a short while before they benchmark what the system can actually handle.
Enjoy it while you can.
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| | | Re: It won't last long. dont hate . this will last til the end of times this aint late 90`s . | |
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|  jaaPremium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
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| said by fiberguy:This is more of a test than anything - I bet you. @Home did this in the past and they went the way of bankruptcy. There is no way to run a network like this with any form of QoS. When the networks of a few years back pulled this, and they grew, there was no way to get a valid product to the home. My guess is that this will last a short while before they benchmark what the system can actually handle. Enjoy it while you can. I think it is a great way to manage a network. Why artificially extend the time a user is downloading by imposing a limit on their speed? All that does is waste available bandwidth (the difference between the network capacity and the limit), extending the duration of their usage at the limit - increasing the likelihood that another user will want that bandwidth at the same time.
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| awesome Lucky them!
...Well Cox ain't too shabby here these days. I see many times where download speeds are ~1.3MegaBYTES/sec and I'm on the 'preferred' 7-8Mbps plan 
True, it's not 30Mbps, but some speed tests have shown the powerboost to get me ~22Mbps! Pretty happy getting ~10-12Mbps to some places when it's only supposed to be 7-8Mbps.
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: awesome said by amungus:Lucky them! ...Well Cox ain't too shabby here these days. I see many times where download speeds are ~1.3MegaBYTES/sec and I'm on the 'preferred' 7-8Mbps plan. Thats just powerboost poisoning your test results. What Cablevision is giving their BOOST subs is true uncapped cable ala "Permaboost"
Kind of does away for the need to uncap modems.
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN | FiOS Where the hell are they? Dont they only have a 20/5 tier? and some insane 50/10 or something thats like 100/month
Cablevision has always had good speeds | |
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| | | Re: FiOS BOOST is 30/5 and the normal package is now 16.5/2.
They were offering 50/50 service via narad technology but the rumour is that cablevision didnt think it was worth the money for narad and they stopped deployment.
The speeds here have always been good. | |
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join:2005-01-03 | Proof? Examples? So where are the speed tests from some of the users that have this? Let's see just what they are getting. | |
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| | | Re: Proof? Examples? said by PolarBear03:So where are the speed tests from some of the users that have this? Let's see just what they are getting. Umm, look in the forum, or in the OOL speed results, OR right at the top of this page where theres a screenshot of a download.
Also, Boost is only 9.95 more a month if you bundle voice, meaning it is 54.90 with voice and tv service, or 59.90 with voice and no tv service. It is 64.90 if you have no voice or tv. That should be corrected in the article... | |
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|  EebobbPremium
join:2003-11-13
Floral Park, NY | OOL sucks my speeds are not even half of what they advertise. They say 30/5 but if you get 18/2.5 they say oh thats how its supposed to be and its UPTO speeds. FIOS IS BETTER !!!
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join:2002-10-03
Orange, CT | Re: Proof? Examples? In Connecticut, I'm getting exactly as advertised. My 16.5/2 service runs *pretty damn close*. 15500/1700 is about my average. I'd imagine I could easily hit 33Mbit down with Boost.
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| |  swintecPremium,VIP
join:2003-12-19
Alfred, ME
kudos:3 | Well, now you are lucky, with no caps, they dont have to guarantee any speeds. | |
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| |  La LunaSurvived AshrafulPremium
join:2001-07-12
Warwick, NY
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| said by Eebobb:OOL sucks my speeds are not even half of what they advertise. They say 30/5 but if you get 18/2.5 they say oh thats how its supposed to be and its UPTO speeds. FIOS IS BETTER !!! As pointed out to you many times before, you have an issue specific to your area which has nothing to do with this speed bump. FIOS offers nothing better for the majority of OOL users.
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|  Gunga DinPremium
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kudos:5 | said by PolarBear03:So where are the speed tests from some of the users that have this? Let's see just what they are getting. 
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Bloomfield, NJ | Wow I'm amazed. 5Mbps upload?! That's insane for that price. I wish I could get optimum online in my new apartment. | |
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Boothbay, ME
kudos:2 | One word ENVY!  | |
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join:2005-02-28
Bronx, NY
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| I used to hate the service a while back But they have gotten real good | |
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| | | Re: I used to hate the service a while back They are using compression on the upload side, so these numbers aren't completely accurate. However, it's still really fast. | |
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| | DreadR.I.P JazzyPremium
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| Re: I used to hate the service a while back said by jnazarian:They are using compression on the upload side, so these numbers aren't completely accurate. However, it's still really fast. I upload for hours at at time at 5mb, so no clue where you're getting this from | |
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join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ | Same for upload? Is the upload completely uncapped as well? | |
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| | | Re: Same for upload? no the upload is cap at 5Mbps. | |
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| | Rob AJets AFC ChampionshipPremium
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Pompton Plains, NJ | Re: Same for upload? By that I mean will OOL still limit the upload to 128K after excessive uploading. | |
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 RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | I'm wondering whether they might now be using Comcasts Powerboost technology for this?
Perhaps they've licensed it from comcast and it's now in a trial phase at OOL.
If i'm not mistaken, Cox recently began rolling this out in some areas as well.
With some exceptions, notably the upload speeds..this is the same thing that we see on Comcast.
While I generally see 20Mb or so speeds, the other day I was downloading at about 30Mb as well.
Reports are that Comcast limits it to a certain size file, but I'm not sure that's always the case in all areas.
Really, the whole concept is quite ingenious, and pretty simple really. If they have the bandwidth and it's sitting there unused, why not just give it to someone.
The technology itself seems to allow the network to make that decision instantaneously.
Anyways..this report does sound like what comcast has been doing..although modified somewhat. Certainly, the upload speeds are better with OOL. But, then again, they've long been the leader in Cable HSI speeds and rollouts.
Comcast, for such a large company though, is doing a pretty damn good job if you ask me.
Most of us around the country are now enjoying some outstanding results and speedtests from most of their areas show many if not most now getting 20Mb or so with powerboost.
Not bad for such a big operator.
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| Something smells Perhaps the company is under less pressure nowadays to perform financially for Wall Street, so this is one way of passing the operating cost savings to the customer. Or Verizon is really lighting a fire under Dolan's ass realizing just how aggressively they're vying for customers in the same footprint.
Peering this kind of traffic past their peering partners can't be free or this inexpensive to freely dish it out like this, or does Level3 now afford this commodity?
Good for the CV customers. I'll stick to my stable, low latency, decent network response Verizon DSL though.  | |
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| juiced speeds? Hmm, really? only several months ago.. I've seen posted speed tests of 22-27mbits for the 30mbit boost service..
This would be an improvement over those speeds... not sure it will last, but if so.. good for the customer. Not good for FIOS who may need to boost speeds to 30/5, heh heh heh..
That can only mean good things for the consumer..
Maybe the rest of the cable industry can get embarrassed into raising their cablemodem speeds as well.. sticking it to QWEST and AT&T in the process. | |
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| too funny i love how no one can just accept it for what it is. There has to be come catch or what not. people will never be happy.
I wished i still lived in a CV area and got half of there standard tier. I have a small company and they dont offer speeds no where close to CV for more money. | |
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I have Boost service in Edison, NJ and watching my modem train it appears that I am on a separate downstream/upstream frequency than the standard users are. I'm not saying it's a dedicated down/up freq. but it definitely does not seem to be the large shared "pipe" standard 15/2 users get.
Watching the modem train it will start to authenticate then immediately reset and start retraining. My assumption is that it tries to authenticate with a MAC address identified as a Boost account, but the CMTS tells it to go to another down/up freq. to retrain and authenticate which it does.
This must be how Cablevision is supplying the add'l "uncapped bandwidth".. by adding more CMTS frequencies at the headend. Sort of like with VOD/Video On Demand I presume, which creates a new 'channel' each time you begin a program to watch on your cable box. The same seems to be true with OOL.
In my particular area, peak usage times seem to drop down to about 18-22 Mbps down and 3 Mbps upstream. This must be because they havn't added/can't add more CMTS frequencies on the plant i'm on. Or they are running short of backhaul capacity in this plant.. but I suspect the former since they have a pretty massive fiber network that supports the whole system. | |
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This is PowerBoost on Comcast...I dislike this model because as someone said its only long enough to trick a speed test. The real truth is after that I go back to ~8mb down and a shitty 360kb up....
In my opinion, they can remove the boost, leave my download like it is and give me 1mb up. I will be happy then.
I absolutely wish I had OOL/FIOS in my area. | |
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| Re: This is not PowerBoost, and Boost service.. I think that's precisely the purpose of PowerBoost. It's not guaranteed bandwidth, but rather a burst of it over a period of time.
I'll take a consistent, stable connect over that or a potentially saturated last-mile network like Boost will become inevitably. | |
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join:2001-08-07
Bronx, NY
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1 edit | Re: This is not PowerBoost, and Boost service.. I've had OOL for quite some time now. Everybody always claimed that with speeds at 10/1, they'd eventually run out of bandwidth.. Then they claimed the upgrade to 15/2 would make people run out of bandwidth... Then when Boost got upgraded to 30/2 and subsequently 30/5, they were sure they were gonna run out. Now we're at uncapped download and 5Mbps with a rumored upgrade 10Mbps upload. My service has never been more consistent or fast. I get a pretty solid 3.5-3.9MB/sec download. I'll take THAT over powerboost any day. | |
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| | RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | I strongly disagree with that assessment of it. It's not there to trick anything.
The fact of the matter is, it enables the average user who surfs, checks emails..and downloads the occassional file and updates to enjoy much greater speeds than they otherwise would.
It allows for MANY programs to be downloaded at speeds of almost 20Mb or even more.
For you to say it's here to "trick speedtests" couldn't be more inaccurate.
It is..what it is. And, while maybe not what some would like in terms of a permanent increase to ones speed caps..it is a VERY effective addition to this service that comcast gives us for FREE.
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Face it, the reason Comcast has their PowerBoost is so they can advertise speeds they can't actually deliver.
Cablevision and Verizon on the other hand are actually spending money and building networks that can deliver. | |
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