  NY TelPremium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
kudos:3 | Competition Is a good thing. Perhaps CV will shake things up in that market and stimulate some good services for the consumers. | |
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join:2008-08-21
Grinnell, IA | Re: Competition Someone Please buy Mediacom and give us great customer service and expand next-gen internet for the people of Iowa  | |
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| | | | Re: Competition Better hope Tw or comcast are not looking at it. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Competition What's the problem with Comcast again? | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Competition And the people on here asked for a cap. Ask and you shall receive. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Two words: Business Class.
Anything else? | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Competition Over priced ?
Same service ?
You see my point here I hope. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Competition Overpriced compared to ?
Same service as ? | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Competition said by iansltx:Overpriced compared to residential service. Same service as residential service. Fixed that. Only difference is the cap, which they don't need. At least it's a 250gb cap instead of 2gb... | |
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 odogCable Centric Vendor BiasedPremium,VIP
join:2001-08-05
Atlanta, GA
kudos:5
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| Bresnan was a smart business man Interesting. I wouldn't have expected cablevision to buy such a remote market with such geographically spread out and unclustered systems.
They're a smart company they must have their reasons!
On another topic, this is further proof that Bill Bresnan was a smart business man. He turned a profit on the sale and probably made a profit most of the years he owned those systems. | |
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|  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 | Comcast owns 30% of Bresnan Much of what Cablevision will be buying was actually owned by Comcast and spun off to Bresnan because the local properties weren't contiguous to the main Comcast plant. As part of that deal, Comcast maintained a 30% ownership in Bresnan. »www.cedmagazine.com/comcast-to-u···ems.aspx
Funny how things go. Comcast dumps the systems and now Cablevision is buying them. Doesn't make sense to me that Cablevision is buying local systems so far flung from their main cable plant. Sounds like a major fail situation to me.
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| Re: Comcast owns 30% of Bresnan they have something up their sleeves other wise they would not never made the deal. Maybe they have some plans to become a nationwide provider after all? And this is just the first steps of becoming one.
I wonder which cable company will be next? Charter? MediaCom? Suddenlink? WindJammer?
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Comcast owns 30% of Bresnan Its Dolan's backup plan if CV Tri State declares bankruptcy because of FIOS. There is a 100% guarantee there will be no Telco FTTH in Montana. Dolan also has has his media channels/sports investments. I dont think CV will brand integrate Bresnan anytime soon. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Comcast owns 30% of Bresnan i don't see CV filing bankruptcy. | |
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| | | | | | actually patcat the little town of laurel (where i live) is getting 20/2 fiber from Lightnex which serves parts of Billings and Bozeman right now, so yeah we already have fiber, do research before you go stating "facts". They are suppose to start working on installing lines sometime later this year. | |
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join:2003-07-26
Kalispell, MT | CenturyHell offers FTTH in portions of the Kalispell market. Exactly where, I don't know. Just that they list pricing for it and I've heard it's in brand-new developments. They're just doing fiber INSTEAD of copper, no overlaying at all though. | |
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| |  Chris 313Come get somePremium
join:2004-07-18
Houma, LA
 ·AT&T U-Verse
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| said by Romney2012:Much of what Cablevision will be buying was actually owned by Comcast and spun off to Bresnan because the local properties weren't contiguous to the main Comcast plant. As part of that deal, Comcast maintained a 30% ownership in Bresnan. » www.cedmagazine.com/comcast-to-u···ems.aspxFunny how things go. Comcast dumps the systems and now Cablevision is buying them. Doesn't make sense to me that Cablevision is buying local systems so far flung from their main cable plant. Sounds like a major fail situation to me. Yeah, and in a few years, watch Comcast buy Cablevision and get those Bresnan systems back | |
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| Re: Comcast owns 30% of Bresnan doubt it. The Dolan's are going to sell that easy to Comcast. Especially when nobody knows what the logoic is behind the purchase.
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Bresnan was a smart business man I' scratching my head here as well.
Maybe CV is buying because they'd like to go into a market without rip-roaring, cut-throat competition for a change? | |
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|  ShamayimI already have a Messiah.Premium
join:2002-09-23 | Is this the same Bill Bresnan who used to host a financial radio show? | |
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nonymousPremium
join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ | Not Qwest, Centurylink Qwest from day one was just a leech on the old US West Ma Bell designed to leech all of the old RBOC assets and put them in managements pockets before this final sale to Centurylink. | |
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| when the going gets tough... when the going gets tough (aka Verizon digital voice), the tough find more ways to buy tax writeoffs.
Now Verizon can offer a $90-$99 deal inclusive of fees, and eliminate most (if not all) Digital Voice fees and provide an apples to apples... Cablevision must cut prices or else... upgrade service. I thought this move was at least another 4-10 years out by Verizon-- once they sold off all unprofitables and unloaded billions more.
Perhaps it's a public relations thing.. Cablevision is expanding their footprint, whilest Verizon is cutting theirs. It's also a given that Verizon had/has a HUGE footprint to begin with.
I bet at&t is very unhappy with all that economic turmOIL in the south usa.. that means less business in their newly purchased Bell South investment.. boo hoo.
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| Re: when the going gets tough... VZ isn't going to cut fees. They make $$$$ of those "unfees". It's pure profit for them to charge you all the fees on landlines.
Digital Voice is just a new service they can offer over the FiOS and that will be about it.
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| NY TelPremium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
kudos:3 | Maybe Verizon will:
1. Sell off non-profitable markets
2. Cutback FiOS rollout for a while
3. Eventually buy Cablevision
Think about it! | |
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| Re: when the going gets tough... we had that happen before. But instead the Telco actually built out as an over builder. Remember AmeriCast? Which is now WOW? It was Ameritech's baby until SBC came along and sold the markets and WOW took over and rebuilt again just a few years later.
On the other hand Cinci Bell bought an overbuilder MSO a few years back.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | said by NY Tel:Maybe Verizon will: 1. Sell off non-profitable markets 2. Cutback FiOS rollout for a while 3. Eventually buy Cablevision Think about it! No, HFC is obsolete. CV might be worthwhile to buy it for its Lightpath Business fiber division, to get rid of its lowball prices (as compared to ILEC SLA fiber). Theres also anti-trust regulations, you have to maintain the illusion of competition. | |
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| Re: when the going gets tough... HFC is FAR from obsolete! Where do people come up with this information at?
HFC has far more power left than people realize. But of course everyone one here wants FiOS or FTTH when Cable still has YEARS and YEARS left. The only FTTN that is obsolete is U-Verse.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: when the going gets tough... said by hottboiinnc:HFC is FAR from obsolete! Where do people come up with this information at? 1 Fiber = 10 gbps*80 lambas = 800 gbps today in commercial world
1 coax = 38 mbps [qam 256] *(870/6) = 5.5 gbps
now to be fair, lets upgrade HFC to bleeding edge specs that nobody has deployed
1 coax = 53 mbps [qam 1024]*(1000[mhz]/6) = 8.8 gbps
commercialized fiber available today is 2 orders of magnitude more bandwidth than the best idealized vaporware HFC speed | |
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| Re: when the going gets tough... have you heard of DOCSIS 3 and node splitting?? which proves that HFC is NOT obsolete. There is room for MSOs to grow on that network and they will. Look at Comcast and the speeds they're pushing out. VZ just started pushing out those speeds and had to build out a complete new network to even thing about it due to their copper only being able to hold only maybe 3megs down. Cable is up to what? 100+ megs with just a simple upgrade in the CMTS node split and new modem. And when the time is right they can deploy FTTH in just a under 2 years to their entire footprint unlike VZ and ATT.
It does sound like you've been drinking the VZ koolaid though.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: when the going gets tough... 800 gbps today > 8 gbps vaporware
I'm done here. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| How does this make sense? I could understand Suddenlink buying Bresnan because that's what they do (rural cable systems, which they then build up to the point that they're better than telco alternatives in the area). However Cablevision is an urban operator that's used to working with advanced technology, N+0 plant and heavy competition from FiOS where FiOS is available.
Then this?!? | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: How does this make sense? Its a backup plan for dolan in case CV tristate area goes bankrupt from FIOS some years down the road. | |
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| Re: How does this make sense? LMAO!
Bankrupt? where do you get this at? FiOS isn't going to run them into bankruptcy. Have you seen the numbers on how many people sign up with FiOS compared to the number of homes passed? It's not very many. And at least 70% of all customers will NOT switch providers regardless if they have horrible service or not. This is due to people do NOT like change. That is what the cable companies are banking on. Plus how many people (average people on the street) know the difference between FiOS and OOL? Besides they both offer Internet and TV. One is cable and one is VZ?
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: How does this make sense? said by hottboiinnc:LMAO! Bankrupt? where do you get this at? FiOS isn't going to run them into bankruptcy. Have you seen the numbers on how many people sign up with FiOS compared to the number of homes passed? It's not very many. And at least 70% of all customers will NOT switch providers regardless if they have horrible service or not. This is due to people do NOT like change. That is what the cable companies are banking on. Plus how many people (average people on the street) know the difference between FiOS and OOL? Besides they both offer Internet and TV. One is cable and one is VZ? Enertia never keeps a company alive forever. What happened to the telegraph and western union?
Its true it will be years, if ever, before FIOS is the majority, but it doesn't have to be the majority to harm CV. CV doesn't just compete with FIOS, it competes with Sat TV. If CV trys to undercut FIOS, which I believe it has been doing with retention offers and triple play renewals, its going to start bastardizing itself and cut its dividend and taking on debt, then eventually it will go bankrupt to shed its debt so it can try to compete again. Paul Allen kept his cable company after bankruptcy, Dolans can too. CV has 7.5B market cap, VZ 80B. In a war of attrition its obvious who will win.
Most people can't tell the difference between SD and HD, and can't identify MPEG artifacting. I'm not sure to what extent people "just live" with congested cable nodes, and how many understand the dialup like (5 years ago) loading times on their OOL line. Congested nodes also can clear themselves up by having everyone switch to FIOS but its still lost revenue.
I know a couple technically illiterate people who switched to FIOS because it was "more expensive" and therefore "must be better" just like the ads say. There is value in that. Also when the next gee wiz TV technology comes out, like 3D TV or 1080P cable network broadcast or QuadHD comes out, which requires atleast 1 QAM per channel, CV will be screwed. Marry 3D TV or QuadHD to sports, and consumers will come like bugs to a lightbulb to impress the Joneses just like with HD. FIOS will be able to just turn on a 10 or 25 gbps lamba for whatever new technology comes, and swap the ONTs as people order the new tech. CV will have to rebuild their plant into Active FTTP.
When asian cars first came to the USA, people swore off they would never purchase tiny unpatriotic cars. Now Toyota is #2 in sales in USA. What happened? People don't like change right? | |
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| Re: How does this make sense? Nope! nobody likes change. But all this about CV you're saying "you believe" I can believe too. But VZ will NEVER touch CV. As i said; do you know how many people sign up per homes passed with FiOS? Search for it on here and on the VZ Investor Site. The numbers are not pretty- that is the whole reason people are not switching besides people don't like change.
As far as change; who is going to switch to something that is more expensive when their current product works? Do you go out and buy a 3D Samsung TV just because it's new? Of course you don't. That wouldn't be cost affective. Everyone knows this.
The Market Cap? LOL what market cap? Just the homes they pass in NY? They can expand that over and over again easily by buying up smaller MSOs which they just proved they'd do. As far as a congested node; you do realize that most if not 99.99% of that has been fixed with CV right?
Also VZ only brought out FiOS because the gov't told them they wouldn't have to share it and due to they HAD to. You can't rely on DSL for ever. Although MSOs can rely on their coax for MANY MANY years to come unlike VZ.
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | WHAT!!!???!!!??! When the heck did this happen? I thought they were just looking into it, not actually selling the company.
Looks like I was right. When Bill died, they wanted to ditch the company ASAP.
I wonder what's going to happen to the call centers now. Are they going to have magnitudes more workload or are they going to start killing them off. I hope things stay the same.
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join:2001-06-15
Long Island
·Optimum Online
| Re: WHAT!!!???!!!??! said by Simba7:When the heck did this happen? I thought they were just looking into it, not actually selling the company. Looks like I was right. When Bill died, they wanted to ditch the company ASAP. I wonder what's going to happen to the call centers now. Are they going to have magnitudes more workload or are they going to start killing them off. I hope things stay the same. I'm sure CV has more people calling them in one day then live in the entire sate of Montana..
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| Re: OOL Ultra? CV may have already started intergrating or has a plan. I wouldn't be suprised if they don't have something going to their data center in NY though so that may take time unless they talk to L3.
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| | possible cable swap down the road? Like most comments, this purchase by Cablevision doesn't seem to make sense, so there might be some ulterior motive.
My guess is that they buy these systems, and then maybe swap them with another cable company down the road. I don't know who the major players are out there, but perhaps CV wants them to then offer them to Comcast in exchange for some areas in NJ that border Cablevision's current footprint. | |
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| | | Re: possible cable swap down the road? they used to be Comcast systems. Comcast doesn't want them back. This is a great way for CV to become nationwide.
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| said by waiting4fios:I don't know who the major players are out there, but perhaps CV wants them to then offer them to Comcast in exchange for some areas in NJ that border Cablevision's current footprint. Dear god, I hope not. I used to do callcenter for Comcast.. you couldn't pay me to use their service.
That said, Bresnan's service is okay around here (central WY) but their CS and billing departments absolutely suck. | |
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 PaladinSage of the light
join:2001-08-17
Chester, IL | Buy out New Wave Communications Dear Cablevision,
Buy out New Wave Communications. They are my local provider.
Love,
Paladin | |
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bm10k
join:2010-06-16
Missoula, MT | Re: Rebranding So does CV plan on rebranding
Bresnan as Optimum | |
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| | What about Laurel?! i'm just hoping that if this deal goes through well and decide to buy out Cable Montana/USA Digital (my isp) as well since my isp is technically Bresnan, i have to go through the Billings servers in order to get to the internet. I literally have the same hops as most Billings subscribers besides the first 2 hops which are my isp.
Tracing route to google.com [74.125.127.103]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 8 ms 7 ms 8 ms 10.70.0.1
2 9 ms 21 ms 11 ms 24-72-200-1.static.cablemt.net [24.72.200.1]
3 12 ms 10 ms 12 ms blnmtfh1hb7-GE-0-0-0-U220.int.bresnan.net [69.14
4.126.221]
4 15 ms 12 ms 13 ms blnmtfh1cr5-GE-3-0-5-U0.int.bresnan.net [72.175.
110.54]
5 19 ms 18 ms 17 ms mslmt001cr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net [72.175.
110.75]
6 30 ms 32 ms 33 ms seawafh1tr5-XE-5-3-0-U0.int.bresnan.net [72.175.
111.23]
7 33 ms 31 ms 34 ms 12.90.77.17
8 37 ms 31 ms 32 ms cr1.st6wa.ip.att.net [12.123.46.6]
9 37 ms 34 ms 33 ms 12.122.146.153
10 32 ms 32 ms 34 ms 12.89.209.14
11 33 ms 31 ms 32 ms 209.85.249.32
12 44 ms 44 ms 39 ms 72.14.239.12
13 41 ms 38 ms 39 ms 64.233.174.127
14 49 ms 55 ms 39 ms 64.233.174.97
15 42 ms 39 ms 40 ms pz-in-f103.1e100.net [74.125.127.103]
Trace complete.
I think i should be seeing the option to boost my speed soon since i've been stuck with the same 5/384 connection for the past 4 or 5 years. | |
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