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Cablevision: Cloud DVR Coming For All
Hopes to Have it in All Markets By Year's End
by Karl Bode 10:29AM Wednesday Aug 08 2012
During the company's earnings conference call this week (see transcript), Cablevision CEO Jim Dolan said the company hopes to have their network DVR service available to all of the company's customers by the end of the year. After a long but successful legal battle against broadcasters, Cablevision quietly launched their network DVR service (aka the RS-DVR) back in January in portions of The Bronx. The cable operator then expanded the service's footprint to portions of Brooklyn, Long Island and Connecticut. The service stores content at the network head end, eliminating the need for local storage on the DVR -- and Cablevision's currently offering test customers 160 GB of storage for $11 a month.

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pnh102
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Hmmm...

Does this replace entirely the need for a monthly rental on a set top box for cable?
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Re: Hmmm...

said by pnh102:

Does this replace entirely the need for a monthly rental on a set top box for cable?

You still need a STB. Just not a Dvr STB.
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You'll still need some type of settop to download/decode/control what's on your cloud DVR, and I would think there will be a per box/per set charge.
I would hope the $11 covers the first one plus the service.
rick0204

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There will be no savings in adding this cloud DVR. You will still have to rent a box and pay the same DVR fee that you pay now. The advantages are more storage if you don't have an extender and a few more features. The disadvantage is a very slow response from the remote commands.
majortom1029

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said by pnh102:

Does this replace entirely the need for a monthly rental on a set top box for cable?

Cablevision is working on gettting rid of cableboxes all together. The new guide ,all digital, and cloud dvr means they can just have an app on tv's that allow them. Cablevision already showed this off at the last cable show.

This will also allow them to have say an apple tv provide the service also since its just an app .

Cablevision stated this is in the future though. There was an article from a year ago stating in the mean time cablevision is working on getting cheap settop box that is only running the app itself .

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Another way to milk money!

Why would you want this? Some models of DVR's accept external hard drives. Buy a 1TB external eSATA drive for ~$120 or so, problem solved. In a year, you've paid it off with these $11/mo rental fees. I like my content local, thank you very much.
andyross
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Shouldn't it be CHEAPER?

Comcast DVR service is only $8, and that can be up to 500G. $11 for 160G seems like a ripoff in comparison, especially considering the lag you most likely will get in controlling playback.
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Re: Shouldn't it be CHEAPER?

Haha! Why would a company pass savings on to a customer when they can keep it as pure profit?!?!

Business rule #1: If customer convenience goes down as a result of the savings... the price will stay the same. If convenience goes UP, then the price will go up accordingly.

I predict that after this rolls out, Cablevision will raise the monthly fee for having a DVR to force more subscribers to the cloud option. After no one has stand-alone DVRs anymore, they will raise the capacity of the base cloud storage package (after all, it costs them the same to store a show for 1 person or 1000 people). Then they will raise the cloud rates explaining that the original price was just an introductory offer.
andyross
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Re: Shouldn't it be CHEAPER?

said by CXM_Splicer:

I predict that after this rolls out, Cablevision will raise the monthly fe (after all, it costs them the same to store a show for 1 person or 1000 people).

I don't know if they use a common-copy style of storage. That could get them into even bigger trouble with the media companies. They would probably demand that every copy be unique to an individual subscriber.

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Re: Shouldn't it be CHEAPER?

It's not common copy. It's a unique recording for each subscriber.

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Re: Shouldn't it be CHEAPER?

said by limegrass69:

It's not common copy. It's a unique recording for each subscriber.

To start with, sure, for the long term? I doubt it.

Besides, there are soo many other things wrong with this.
CXM_Splicer
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I don't see why they would be using unique recordings... there is really no difference legally. As long as you control access to only those who selected an item for recording and deleted the item when the last person deleted it, you would be within the definition of a DVR.

Since the media companies lost their lawsuit, they don't get to demand anything... it is a legal service. Do you know of a legal aspect that would require unique recordings?
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worth it?

with consumers taking matters into their own hands with getting video from the internet.. is this really worth it in addition to all the costs of video subscription?

while it's nice to see that they will allow you to stream most channels via an app... they are NOT seemingly allowing that to happen off network except from the networks channels directly themselves (ex. CNN's live stream via email login).

what cablevision doesn't realize this could do an end-run around a customers' need for additional set-top boxes.. infact, there are android system in a box w/ hdmi output that could stream video directly to HDTV's.. that and internet streaming/hosting dvr's make paying for additional services moot.

any customer tech literate enough to want to stream video over an android app is savvy enough not to even need cablevision's video services, IMO but that's a whole other can O' worms with cord cutting debate.
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Re: worth it?

said by tmc8080:

with consumers taking matters into their own hands with getting video from the internet.. is this really worth it in addition to all the costs of video subscription?

while it's nice to see that they will allow you to stream most channels via an app... they are NOT seemingly allowing that to happen off network except from the networks channels directly themselves (ex. CNN's live stream via email login).

what cablevision doesn't realize this could do an end-run around a customers' need for additional set-top boxes.. infact, there are android system in a box w/ hdmi output that could stream video directly to HDTV's.. that and internet streaming/hosting dvr's make paying for additional services moot.

any customer tech literate enough to want to stream video over an android app is savvy enough not to even need cablevision's video services, IMO but that's a whole other can O' worms with cord cutting debate.

cablevision stated they are working on the need for cableboxes. They already showed their app running on a samsung and lg tv with no stb . Their new guide is html5 based and all in the cloud.

Cablevision has stated multiple times that their goal is to get rid of stb all together. Unlike what most people believe , stb are expensive for cablevision.
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Re: worth it?

can't say they are losing money with those monthly rental fees...
$5-$18 an outlet multiplied by millions of homes.

the evolution of video is long overdue, cablevision is just one of many.. google fiber surprised everyone with the lite client (which can serve multiple hdtv's) & streaming video service and now the industry's scrambling to catch-up. meanwhile the very real hemorrhaging of video customers is accelerating..

hdtv's will close the gap if the industry can get their heads around a coaxial standard for sending hdtv streams over the same box regardless of which infrastructure serves it, cable, fttp, uverse, etc. all that would be needed is to specify which wireless remote controls are addressed to which hdtv's.

whoever makes those Hi-DEF RF (multi-signal) coax modulators is gonna make a hefty fortune as the cable industry retools..
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Re: worth it?

You are forgetting the $200 * 3 million subscribers cost for the boxes. Then having to buy all the extra hdds as replacements for the dvr boxes they have. I am pretty sure cablevision has already stated stb are a big expense for them.

I do not see how they are making any money at all on stb rental fees.
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Why would you want this - as a consumer?

The nice thing about local storage is you're not out in the dark on watching recorded content if the cable goes out.

If your content is in the cloud and the cable goes out, well you're all the way in the dark. No options. Except maybe stringing up an antenna or something.

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Re: Why would you want this - as a consumer?

said by ke4pym:

The nice thing about local storage is you're not out in the dark on watching recorded content if the cable goes out.

If your content is in the cloud and the cable goes out, well you're all the way in the dark. No options. Except maybe stringing up an antenna or something.

Conversely, if your cable or power goes out, the network DVR will still record your shows for later playback.
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Re: Why would you want this - as a consumer?

said by limegrass69:

said by ke4pym:

The nice thing about local storage is you're not out in the dark on watching recorded content if the cable goes out.

If your content is in the cloud and the cable goes out, well you're all the way in the dark. No options. Except maybe stringing up an antenna or something.

Conversely, if your cable or power goes out, the network DVR will still record your shows for later playback.

Touche'! Who doesn't put their DVR's on UPSes?

This would be okay, so long as I had access to setup recordings from my phone or some-such.
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said by limegrass69:

said by ke4pym:

The nice thing about local storage is you're not out in the dark on watching recorded content if the cable goes out.

If your content is in the cloud and the cable goes out, well you're all the way in the dark. No options. Except maybe stringing up an antenna or something.

Conversely, if your cable or power goes out, the network DVR will still record your shows for later playback.

Get a BBU or a generator if missing your recordings is a priority when the power goes out!
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Re: Why would you want this - as a consumer?

Yes but if the power goes out in your neighborhood then most likely cable goes out also. Yes there are bbu on the pole but some do not work and some only last an hour or so.
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Re: Why would you want this - as a consumer?

said by majortom1029:

Yes but if the power goes out in your neighborhood then most likely cable goes out also. Yes there are bbu on the pole but some do not work and some only last an hour or so.

That I am aware of, my folks have a whole house generator, after 8 hrs they lost TV & Internet from Cablevision. Didn't come back until LIPA got the neighborhood turned back on, granted they have DVRs from Directv and no DVR w/Cablevision, but point taken for extended outages in an area.

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said by majortom1029:

Yes but if the power goes out in your neighborhood then most likely cable goes out also. Yes there are bbu on the pole but some do not work and some only last an hour or so.

It never happened here when I had Comcast and it doesn't happen with FiOS either. When I had Comcast five years ago and the power went out I could continue watching and recording the cable TV shows. And of course it's the same with FiOS for me.

mech1164
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No Thanks,

To paraphrase Charlton Heston, "From my Cold Dead Hands" will you take my dvr away from me.

I got so sick of having to pay for the privilege of having a dvr. I went and put together a HTPC with a Ceton card. Now instead of paying for the STB and the DVR service. I'm only paying for the Cable Card cost of 2.00 per month. I'll take the savings and pay this off quickly thank you.

Oh and the 2TB of storage doesn't hurt either.:D
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Re: No Thanks,

I bet if you actually take the cost of the htpc and the ceton card then the cost of the cablecard rental and make it monthly cost , cablevisions dvr rental will be cheaper.

Now take into account if cablevision gets rid of cablecards working on their system you are stuck with a non functional dvr.

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Re: No Thanks,

said by majortom1029:

I bet if you actually take the cost of the htpc and the ceton card then the cost of the cablecard rental and make it monthly cost , cablevisions dvr rental will be cheaper.

Now take into account if cablevision gets rid of cablecards working on their system you are stuck with a non functional dvr.

True but the fact that I have to pay them for such small storage with no way of extending it. Gives me even more reason to go this route. Yes I know it will cost up front also I have an Xbox tied into another HDTV in the bedroom. I have that hooked into the HTPC media center as an extender. So I have gotten rid of all my STB's and i'm saving the cost of them to. Plus I can rip my blu rays to the HD to.

I'm not saying this is for everyone. But I can justify the costs. For under 300.00 I have a good system that is way more functional.
elefante72

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I ditched all Verizon equipment sans the cablecard, which is mandated BTW, so its not going away.

2 years ago I got rid off all my prem equipment and last year I moved to a Silicondust 3CC, and 5 xbox 360 for my TV's. I bought them all used and paid no more than $130 for them, and besides W7MC they also serve up video, Gaming, Pandora, Amazon, Netflix, Crackle, and FIOS live (which I dont need). I run W7MC in a VM along w/ a number of other apps so I am sharing infrastructure.

The ROI on the investment was 13 months, and now I am into month 18, so I am in the clear. Microsoft is adding features to the xbox all the time.

This keeps my 3 Play w/ Extreme and 25/25 to $105 per month... Before I went metro, I was paying $175/month.

Now if Verizon wants to toy with me, I unplug the cablecard and plug in a time warner cablecard, update the channel numbers and nothing else changes.

On stability, I haven't suffered 1 minute of outage (not including scheduled ones) since I brought the solution online, W7MC is stable as heck. I wish MSFT would continue to enhance it...It's a great product when you team it w/ the Xbox...

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Re: No Thanks,

quote:
Now if Verizon wants to toy with me, I unplug the cablecard and plug in a time warner cablecard, update the channel numbers and nothing else changes.
I beg to differ.
linky2

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i have long ongoing signal issue - pixalation and sound freezes with cablevision that even senior techs can't fix. i also heard their dvr is unreliable. i am desparate to record shows....any suggestions would be so welcome
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Cloud DVR Coming For All

The BIG question ? can you still fast fwd past commercials, way back I read somewhere that this was 1 of the reasons the cable co wanted "cloud DVR" to stop fast fwd so they could charge their advertisers more. Without fast fwd 40-60% of the reason for DVR is gone, for me.
BiggA

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Lag?

Our VOD has annoying lag that's not totally crippling but very obvious and annoying. I hope this doesn't have lag like VOD does. We're on Comcast, but it is similar tech.

This is also going to require a lot of last-mile bandwidth, so it will require small nodes and 860mhz and maybe SDV, but that all will also help broadband speeds and deployment for them.

They could also increase storage by indexing what files people are storing and only storing one copy of popular shows, or allowing unlimited primetime (with some sort of expiration) or something, since so many people would record them anyways.
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Re: Lag?

said by BiggA:

Our VOD has annoying lag that's not totally crippling but very obvious and annoying. I hope this doesn't have lag like VOD does. We're on Comcast, but it is similar tech.

Same deal here with CV. I just switched back to them from having Fios for the last 2 years and the new Samsung boxes with VOD, DVR Plus or anything interactive like the channel guide lags really bad. It sucks. This stuff is supposed to get better 2 years later, not worse. My SA cable boxes from 5 years ago worked better than these but they are phasing out the SA boxes so they will not switch them for me. I'm sure you will have the same thing.
BiggA

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Re: Lag?

Probably a lot of people on the system.
linky2

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cablevision dvr service

i was warned not to get their dvr box