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Cablevision DOCSIS 3.0 Launch Very Close
Wideband upgrades nearly complete, Wi-Fi project a third done...
by Karl Bode Thursday 26-Feb-2009 tags: business · cable
Cablevision should be announcing new faster speeds very soon, according to company COO Tom Rutledge. The cable provider is spending $300 million to upgrade all of their markets with the speedier technology and deploy free Wi-Fi to a growing number of areas. Speaking on a conference call with investors and analysts, Rutledge stated they are "about a third of the way through" the Wi-Fi portion of the project, and nearly done with DOCSIS 3.0 upgrades.

Judging from comments made by Rutledge, the DOCSIS 3.0 portion of Cablevision's upgrade plan is moving along at a faster clip than the Wi-Fi installations. "We've nearly completed the DOCSIS 3.0 wideband deployment across our service area as part of Wi-Fi rollout," says Rutledge, "and we expect to make an announcement shortly related to a wideband product for both residential and business customers." The deployment should cost Cablevision between $70 and per customer, and Cablevision has more than 3.1 million cable customers.

Cablevision's current fastest speed offering is named "Boost", a 30Mbps/5Mbps DOCSIS 2.0 that's uncapped in the truest sense of the word. Still, faster speeds would help Cablevision in their marketing battle against Verizon FiOS, which is quickly ramping up their efforts to deploy FTTH across New York City. Still, Rutledge seems to think that DOCSIS 3.0 (aka wideband) will be more popular among small business customers at first.

"I don't think ultra-wideband will have a significant impact in the second half," says the COO. "I think it's a long-term strategy (and) I think the primary user is small business and not residential in the short run." Rutledge did note that the faster speeds would help them offer a higher quality product to existing customers while increasing user satisfaction. FiOS currently passes about 1.5 million homes in Cablevision's footprint, according to the company.

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Jeffrey
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Boost issues

I'm not positive in the real-world how wide spread it is, but if you look here, a lot of Boost users across almost the entire foot print have been having problems, and from some posters, they have gotten information that loosely states that the current Boost speeds - or lack thereof - are a result of problems with DOCSIS 3 upgrade equipment. I don't know how true it is or isn't, but since I'm back with CV after having Fios (moved to a non-Fios area until they run the fiber later this year), I have been watching the CV forum here pretty frequently.

I don't have Boost, but my regular speeds are consistent, as long as I use my connection between midnight and 5AM. I'd be curious to see how the DOCSIS 3 deployment works, and how users fare with the speeds.
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Re: Boost issues

Well, DOCSIS 3 will give more downstream channels to start with, so I'd bet Cablevision will be the first operator to offer 100 Mbit HSI tier, in the near future. Maybe 10-15 Mbps of upload too.

Fiber may be the way to go eventually, but if Cablevision can pull off an extremely solid D3 rollout they can definitely give Verizon a run for their money. 100/15 broadband for $90 per month? Betcha it'll happen, and if such broadband were available here I'd have a hard time choosing between FiOS and it . This is from a person who complains about his $65 internet bill.

Lastly, between $70 and ??? per subscriber? $100? Not bad for such a nice upgrade, but OTOH it's a highly populated area that CV serves and they're already running OC3s at least to every node...

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Bravo to Cablevision!

I suppose they could have simply blamed the customers on any congestion problems, enforced caps, and throttled certain protocols in an effort to delay any build-out for as long as possible. Is FiOS really this much of a threat? I thought Verizon was doomed to fail? I hear it's like a billion dollars to drag fiber to just one house, so these cable companies should just ride it out until the telcos go bankrupt and any defecting customers come back.

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Re: Boost issues

What I can tell you from having both services (Optimum Online Dec 1999 to May 2005, Verizon Fios May 1995 to present [at another residence], and currently Optimum Online since Dec 2008), is that Fios is better on almost every aspect of the connection: latency, throughput, consistency, and uptime.

Not to say Optimum Online is horrible for me. It's not. It's actually pretty darn good, but it's just not as good as Fios is, IMHO.

YMMV.
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blackriders

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Hopefully it'll improve my boost speeds. For the last few weeks i've been running on much slower speeds. One day was so bad I couldn't even send email.

Not even talking about giant pics just plain regualr text was impossible.

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Re: Boost issues

said by blackriders:

Hopefully it'll improve my boost speeds. For the last few weeks i've been running on much slower speeds. One day was so bad I couldn't even send email.

Not even talking about giant pics just plain regualr text was impossible.
You're not alone. The most common threads in the Optimum Online forum here are with people with really bad, consistent, ongoing Boost issues to which level 1 customer support knows next to nothing about. Allegedly.
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Re: Boost issues

said by Jeffrey:

said by blackriders:

Hopefully it'll improve my boost speeds. For the last few weeks i've been running on much slower speeds. One day was so bad I couldn't even send email.

Not even talking about giant pics just plain regualr text was impossible.
You're not alone. The most common threads in the Optimum Online forum here are with people with really bad, consistent, ongoing Boost issues to which level 1 customer support knows next to nothing about. Allegedly.
i know i've been keeping up with that thread. hopefully once the boost d3 issues are resolved everything will be back to normal.
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hmm

The boost speed problems are in relation to docsis 3 upgrades. They have been moving upstream frequencies around. What this is doing is making noise effect peoples connections and causing packet loss.

Anyway . I cant wait. Cablevision has been doing better than a lot of the other cablecompanies.

Boost already allows servers and the web and email prots open.

I cant wait to see if they upgrade boost users or come out with an even better package.

It also helps that cablevision upgraded to docsis 2 which prob made the docsis 3 upgrade easier.

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hmmm2

Interesting use of the word "wideband", which bonding a few 6 MHz channels together is not.

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Re: hmmm2

That's the Cisco marketing language I think creeping into broader implementation...

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Re: hmmm2

Well considering that Cisco has a lot riding on this, mangling the terminology is in their interest I suppose. No RF engineer would call 12 MHz "wideband" when it comes to data transmission.
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I don't want higher speeds

I want lower prices! Let me know when the regular price is below $30 per month.
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Rob_
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who cares..

and this effects what? 3 percent of the country? while the rest of america is stuck in the 20th century thanks to bullshit and CEO greed.

let's not forget pay per byte coming soon to an at&t and TWC near you..

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Re: who cares..

Cablevision is the 5th largest cable company in the united states. While they aren't as huge as comcast, they aren't some rural company. And those of us on the service do care.
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Re: who cares..

They're able to do this easier than other companies too because of the fact that they own nothing rural at all. They own suburbs of NY and some of the less dense areas in NYC. They basically own the best areas any cable company could, so upgrades like this are more likely to happen from them.

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Re: who cares..

They do own near rural like areas. Like Montague, NJ; Matamoras Boro and Westfall Township both in PA.

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This effects the most densely populated portion of the country, Metro NY (CV does not service Manhattan). This is only area in the US that is even in the top ten worldwide in density. Though it's half as dense as Seoul, Korea, it's the most profitable per mile area for stringing new wires. CV passes nearly 4 million homes and more than 75% of them are CV customers in one way or another.

Shamayim
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Uh-Oh

". . . the primary user is small business and not residential in the short run."

Sounds like the long awaited DOCSIS 3.0 may cost us residential users an arm and a leg.
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Re: Uh-Oh

If there boost package is anything to go by maybe the $80 - $100 a month range. Which isnt that bad actually.

Honestly not many people would need the bandwidth. I am happy with 30/5 speeds

Also considering fios internet at 50/20 is $139.95 a month says $80 - $100 a month sounds reasonable. Maybe at 50/10 speeds or something similiar.

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Re: Uh-Oh

I wonder if this is going to be self-install technology once CV mails us the new modem, or will an installer visit be needed? I suppose we're going to have to return the current DOC2 modem.
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Re: Uh-Oh

said by Shamayim:

I wonder if this is going to be self-install technology once CV mails us the new modem, or will an installer visit be needed? I suppose we're going to have to return the current DOC2 modem.
There should be no need to have an installer visit. There should be no difference between the current install of a D2 modem and the new D3 Modem (even simpler since the wire to plug it into is already there). I predict that all that would be needed is to do a Modem Swap at your local CV Storefront. They will upgrade your account, hand you your new D3 Modem, and register it. You just need to plug it in and start using it. As to returning the modem, you will if it is a CV modem not one you purchased yourself.
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said by majortom1029:

If there boost package is anything to go by maybe the $80 - $100 a month range. Which isnt that bad actually.
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Also considering fios internet at 50/20 is $139.95 a month says $80 - $100 a month sounds reasonable. Maybe at 50/10 speeds or something similiar.
Incorrect.

FiOS 50/20 is $89.95/month throughout the entirety of the Cablevision footprint.
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Re: Uh-Oh

It waa hidden when i looked but then i found it. for my parents in lindenhurst it was $94.95 not 89.

So its not 89 .95 a month through the entire footprint either.
jimboe

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Re: Uh-Oh

said by majortom1029:

It waa hidden when i looked but then i found it. for my parents in lindenhurst it was $94.95 not 89.

So its not 89 .95 a month through the entire footprint either.
whatever. $89.95, $94.95.. it's still a looonnng way off from your ill-quoted $139.95.

$89.95 if you get TV and phone. $94.95 otherwise, and YES, throughout Cablevision's entire footprint. There ya go.

And what's this about "hidden"? It's right there on the signup page. How is that "hidden"?
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said by Shamayim:

". . . the primary user is small business and not residential in the short run."

Sounds like the long awaited DOCSIS 3.0 may cost us residential users an arm and a leg.
Still exponentially better than a T1.

RARPSL

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Boost being Uncapped?

The comment states "Cablevision's current fastest speed offering is named "Boost", a 30Mbps/5Mbps DOCSIS 2.0 that's uncapped in the truest sense of the word."

This is only true if you define "uncapped in the truest sense of the word" as meaning that while your tier is 30Mbps/5Mbps, you are actually allowed the maximum theoretical download speed of 38Mbs (which is actually about 32Mbs after overhead) if it can be delivered due to any congestion on your node (ie: There is no Download Cap in the Modem's Settings). Your uplink is still capped at the 5.5Mbs not uncapped (which would allow you to get more like the actual max uplink speed in the area of 27Mbs).

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Re: Boost being Uncapped?

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Uncapped means they mean that we have NO TOTAL BYTE LIMITATION on the amount of downloads or uploads; I'm not a big (IMHO) uploader but here's a chart from December....
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Re: Boost being Uncapped?

said by SSidlov:

Uncapped means they mean that we have NO TOTAL BYTE LIMITATION on the amount of downloads or uploads; I'm not a big (IMHO) uploader but here's a chart from December....
OOPS. My comment was based on my confusing the use of the term "Capped" to mean Speed Limits with your use of it to mean Transfer Volume Limits. I apologize for this confusion. Using the phrase "Speed Capping" or "Transfer Volume Capping" [or similar phrases] can help explain which type of limiting is being discussed (in the absence other text that explains the context).

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