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Cablevision: FiOS? What's FiOS?
Carrier taunts Verizon in earnings conference call...
by Karl Bode Friday 31-Jul-2009 tags: competition · business · bandwidth · cable · Verizon FiOS · Cablevision · wireless
Cablevision has released their second quarter earnings, reporting income of $87 million, down 8% from $94 million one year ago. Revenue for the company rose 9 percent to $1 billion. As most expected, Cablevision announced they'd be spinning off their Madison Square Garden unit into a separate business. While the company lost 8,700 basic cable subscribers during the quarter, it added 56,000 digital TV customers, 18,000 new broadband customers, and 38,000 VoIP customers, meeting most Wall Street estimates.

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Cablevision's spending $300 million to deploy both Wi-Fi and DOCSIS 3.0 across their entire footprint. In response, Verizon this week also started offering free Wi-Fi. In a conference call with analysts, Cablevision COO Tom Rutledge took a shot at Verizon's marketing inconsistencies in recent weeks.

"Verizon is a me-too kind of product," said Rutledge. "What we do, they tend to do," says the COO. "When we did announce Wi-Fi, they described it as a parlor trick, so I'm surprised that they are actually going forward with it," he says. Technically, Verizon called Cablevision's Wi-Fi a "marketing stunt" and their new, 101Mbps broadband service a "parlor trick," but we're nit picking.

According to the COO, customers have accessed the Internet more than 3 million times since the Wi-Fi project's inception, and the number of cumulative sessions have jumped by 50% in the last 45 days. Interestingly, Rutledge also said said putting a voice product on top of the Wi-Fi network was "inevitable."

In April, Cablevision unveiled a 101Mbps/15Mbps tier for $99.95 a month, though it annoyingly features a $300 "activation fee"" in addition to a $35 installation fee. In contrast, Verizon's fastest service tier is 50Mbps/20Mbps, which costs $134.95 when bundled with a phone line, and $144.95 without. Since FiOS appeared in 2005 Cablevision's still seen gains, adding 108,000 TV, 1.5 million broadband, and 1.6 million VoIP users during that time. Verizon's push into NYC apartments may change that.

Rutledge also touched on the company's recent court victory that will allow Cablevision to move forward with their network DVR. There's been some hints that Cablevision's negotiations with the entertainment industry may result in a less useful product. "We believe in copyrights," says Rutledge. "We think that digital rights management is our responsibility and then ultimately the value that we create for customers comes from rights structures," he says. "We are eager and willing to work with content providers to build products."

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glinc

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ha!

just wait CV, by the time FiOS is wired in the entire NYC and release 100/100 home connection you will see a big hit in your subscribers

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said by glinc:

just wait CV, by the time FiOS is wired in the entire NYC and release 100/100 home connection you will see a big hit in your subscribers
I guess that will be in 2030 ?
glinc

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Re: ha!

actually by 2014 whole NYC should be wired with FiOS and until then there's plenty of time for them to offer higher speeds
hottboiinnc
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Re: ha!

NYC will never see the entire city wired. Only those "green" areas will be. And VZ will buy their way out of the loopholes that they had put in.

The_ANoN

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100/100? LOL! 100/30 sounds more reasonable.

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Re: ha!

..or should I say realistic...

wifi4milez
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said by glinc:

just wait CV, by the time FiOS is wired in the entire NYC and release 100/100 home connection you will see a big hit in your subscribers
I have FIOS, and to be honest its really nothing special. Frankly, I see absolutely no difference between my 20/5 FIOS service and the 5/512k TWC service I used to have. The only reason I switched was due to the huge discount Verizon offered me, but apparently they have just decided to eliminate it without telling me. I am reaching out to their escalations group this weekend (see thread below), and if they cant fix it I am going right back to TWC.

»Best way to get directly to Verizon escalations group
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danclan

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Re: ha!

You are the exception. The vast vast majority of Verizon Fios users would never switch back due to picture quality, up time and better channel selection in both SD and HD.

Billing issues though is the Achilles heal of Verizon still.

Beyond that every service they offer hands down beats every cable provider with consistency, clarity and up time.

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said by danclan:

You are the exception. The vast vast majority of Verizon Fios users would never switch back due to picture quality, up time and better channel selection in both SD and HD.
He was referring to the internet service, not the TV service.

But yeah I agree that if I got the TV service I wouldn't really want to switch back.

wifi4milez
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said by danclan:

You are the exception. The vast vast majority of Verizon Fios users would never switch back due to picture quality, up time and better channel selection in both SD and HD.

I was referring to their internet service, however regarding the TV I agree and disagree. I agree that FIOS offers better HD picture quality, however their SD quality is much worse than TWC. As for channels, FIOS does have one channel that I like that TWC used to not have (they might have added it), but otherwise they are fairly comparable. Other than the fact that they just eliminated a hand full of my premium channels I am happy however, so hopefully I can resolve it and stay with them.
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said by wifi4milez:

I agree that FIOS offers better HD picture quality, however their SD quality is much worse than TWC.
That's ridiculous. The SD channels on FiOS are uncompressed and therefore TWC cannot have better SD quality... at best TWC SD picture quality can be as good as that of FiOS, but it cannot be better. But I doubt that its even as good as FiOS. Thanks for playing.

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said by WileEC:

said by wifi4milez:

I agree that FIOS offers better HD picture quality, however their SD quality is much worse than TWC.
That's ridiculous. The SD channels on FiOS are uncompressed and therefore TWC cannot have better SD quality... at best TWC SD picture quality can be as good as that of FiOS, but it cannot be better. But I doubt that its even as good as FiOS. Thanks for playing.
Thats incorrect. Feel free to browse the forums here, depending on what STB VZ sent you there is a HUGE difference in picture quality. Many people are reporting terrible SD quality with the 7216 model.
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said by wifi4milez:

Thats incorrect. Feel free to browse the forums here, depending on what STB VZ sent you there is a HUGE difference in picture quality. Many people are reporting terrible SD quality with the 7216 model.
Somehow I doubt that. I have 4 STBs: a 7100, a 7200, a DCT 700 and a TiVo HD. The SD picture quality on every single one of them is exceptional and I'm a professional in the field of video. If in fact there is a problem with the 7216 (and I'm not saying there is), then that's a problem with the 7216, not the SD picture quality of FiOS TV. So again, thanks for playing.

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said by WileEC:

said by wifi4milez:

Thats incorrect. Feel free to browse the forums here, depending on what STB VZ sent you there is a HUGE difference in picture quality. Many people are reporting terrible SD quality with the 7216 model.
Somehow I doubt that. I have 4 STBs: a 7100, a 7200, a DCT 700 and a TiVo HD. The SD picture quality on every single one of them is exceptional and I'm a professional in the field of video. If in fact there is a problem with the 7216 (and I'm not saying there is), then that's a problem with the 7216, not the SD picture quality of FiOS TV. So again, thanks for playing.
Yes but if hundreds of thousands of people (myself included) HAVE that particular STB, then it is a problem with FIOS TV. I forget the model of the second STB I have, but the SD quality on it is fine. Given that its a known fact that Verizon is shipping boxes that provide a poor SD signal (especially noticeable on a large HD tv...), one would think they should address it. I know they somewhat recently updated the firmware and it helped a little, however I think those boxes are just bad overall. Keep in mind that for most customers perception is reality. Most people dont check these forums to figure out why the picture quality is so bad, its a really bad PR move on Verizons part to not remedy this asap.
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glinc

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well, people take full advantage of the upload speeds and use it for torrenting, hosting servers, etc at home instead of renting a server out there

The_ANoN

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I have FIOS, and to be honest its really nothing special. Frankly, I see absolutely no difference between my 20/5 FIOS service and the 5/512k TWC service I used to have. The only reason I switched was due to the huge discount Verizon offered me, but apparently they have just decided to eliminate it without telling me. I am reaching out to their escalations group this weekend (see thread below), and if they cant fix it I am going right back to TWC.

»Best way to get directly to Verizon escalations group
You dont notice a difference between 20/5 and 5/512? What, do you just check email and browse the web?

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Re: ha!

said by The_ANoN :

I have FIOS, and to be honest its really nothing special. Frankly, I see absolutely no difference between my 20/5 FIOS service and the 5/512k TWC service I used to have. The only reason I switched was due to the huge discount Verizon offered me, but apparently they have just decided to eliminate it without telling me. I am reaching out to their escalations group this weekend (see thread below), and if they cant fix it I am going right back to TWC.

»Best way to get directly to Verizon escalations group
You dont notice a difference between 20/5 and 5/512? What, do you just check email and browse the web?
I dont torrent if thats what you are getting at. To be honest, my biggest issue with TWC was that downloading HD movies to my PS3 (via the PS3 store) took a long time. I figured that with 4 times more bandwidth it would be quicker. Unfortunately thats not the case, even thought the PS3 has a gigabit port there was no difference.
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The_ANoN

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No, I wasn't getting at the torrent thing because I don't do that either. But I've switched from Cable to FiOS and I notice a huge difference in my DL speeds on Xbox Live (and Im connected through wireless USB). Is it just on your PS3 that theres no difference? Do you download on your PC at all?

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said by The_ANoN :

No, I wasn't getting at the torrent thing because I don't do that either. But I've switched from Cable to FiOS and I notice a huge difference in my DL speeds on Xbox Live (and Im connected through wireless USB). Is it just on your PS3 that theres no difference? Do you download on your PC at all?
I dont download movies to my PC, nor other files that size. As such the difference in speed isnt noticeable.
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So your reason that FiOS is nothing special is because your PS3 doesnt download any faster? And you add that it has a gigabit port? So what....

PS3 downloads are slow for everyone I know. Before you talk down about a service, learn what you are talking about.

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said by way2evil:

So your reason that FiOS is nothing special is because your PS3 doesnt download any faster? And you add that it has a gigabit port? So what....

PS3 downloads are slow for everyone I know. Before you talk down about a service, learn what you are talking about.
I never said the PS3 was the only reason I thought FIOS wasnt special. The internet experience is no different for any of the things I do (as compared to TWC). I switched to save money, and now they are trying to change the terms of what they gave me. As for the gigabit port on my PS3, do you know what that means? Perhaps you should learn why that is significant before you try and refute my claim.
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Re: ha!

said by wifi4milez:

said by way2evil:

So your reason that FiOS is nothing special is because your PS3 doesnt download any faster? And you add that it has a gigabit port? So what....

PS3 downloads are slow for everyone I know. Before you talk down about a service, learn what you are talking about.
I never said the PS3 was the only reason I thought FIOS wasnt special. The internet experience is no different for any of the things I do (as compared to TWC). I switched to save money, and now they are trying to change the terms of what they gave me. As for the gigabit port on my PS3, do you know what that means? Perhaps you should learn why that is significant before you try and refute my claim.
Please explain how a gigabit port on your PS3 helps you at all. You have a 20/5 connection. No where close to gigabit.

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said by way2evil:

said by wifi4milez:

said by way2evil:

So your reason that FiOS is nothing special is because your PS3 doesnt download any faster? And you add that it has a gigabit port? So what....

PS3 downloads are slow for everyone I know. Before you talk down about a service, learn what you are talking about.
I never said the PS3 was the only reason I thought FIOS wasnt special. The internet experience is no different for any of the things I do (as compared to TWC). I switched to save money, and now they are trying to change the terms of what they gave me. As for the gigabit port on my PS3, do you know what that means? Perhaps you should learn why that is significant before you try and refute my claim.
Please explain how a gigabit port on your PS3 helps you at all. You have a 20/5 connection. No where close to gigabit.
Thats a great question, and I am happy to teach you about this. Most consumer grade routers (Linksys, etc.) have 10/100 ports on them. HOWEVER, they cant really handle throughput of much more than 10Mbps without crapping out. This is part of the reason that Verizon supplies the hardware they do (also it is required for TV listings) with their internet service. Most people simply use the VZ provided router, however there are a lot of us who want our network on our own gear (I am assuming you are not one of them or you would know about this problem). Since the PS3 has a gigabit port, that means it is hardware capable of handling high bandwidth connections. Therefore, plugging a PS3 directly into the VZ router, or plugging it into a suitable device behind the VZ router, is a direct connection between two high bandwidth supporting devices. As such, that is the best possible scenario when connecting two devices and should provide the best connection.
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Re: ha!

said by wifi4milez:

Thats a great question, and I am happy to teach you about this. Most consumer grade routers (Linksys, etc.) have 10/100 ports on them. HOWEVER, they cant really handle throughput of much more than 10Mbps without crapping out. This is part of the reason that Verizon supplies the hardware they do (also it is required for TV listings) with their internet service. Most people simply use the VZ provided router, however there are a lot of us who want our network on our own gear (I am assuming you are not one of them or you would know about this problem). Since the PS3 has a gigabit port, that means it is hardware capable of handling high bandwidth connections. Therefore, plugging a PS3 directly into the VZ router, or plugging it into a suitable device behind the VZ router, is a direct connection between two high bandwidth supporting devices. As such, that is the best possible scenario when connecting two devices and should provide the best connection.
Once again please teach me how a 100mbit port differs from a gigabit port when you can only max out at 20mbits (not transferring within your LAN).

And FYI I do run my own hardware, the actioncrap is at the back of the line.

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said by way2evil:

Once again please teach me how a 100mbit port differs from a gigabit port when you can only max out at 20mbits (not transferring within your LAN).
I just explained it to you. Almost every soho router has 10/100 ports on it, however much of the hardware cant handle anywhere near that throughput. Dont take my word for it, do some research right here on this site. An example would be that even with 3rd party firmware, a Linksys router falls far short of being able to reach its 100Mbps port speed.

said by bobTeatow (writing the DSLR Verizon Online FIOS FAQ) :

Some routers may not be able to support FiOS' higher speeds. For example, some users have discovered a 16-17 Mbps limit with the Linksys WRT54G using third party firmware.
The rest of the FAQ is available here »Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »What are the tradeoffs between the various router configurations

Make sense?
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Re: ha!

That limit is based on the bus that the network interface is connected to. The actual bus/chipset/processor/storage/etc of the device is the real limit.

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said by Aidens Daddy:

That limit is based on the bus that the network interface is connected to. The actually bus/chipset/processor/storage/etc of the device is the real limit.
That is correct, and thats why the 10/100 ports on the Linksys (and many others) cant handle much more than 15Mbps.
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said by wifi4milez:

said by Aidens Daddy:

That limit is based on the bus that the network interface is connected to. The actually bus/chipset/processor/storage/etc of the device is the real limit.
That is correct, and thats why the 10/100 ports on the Linksys (and many others) cant handle much more than 15Mbps.
Don't take this the wrong way, but this is typical of computers circa 2003ish.. yes, many of us still have 6 year old computers, but anything designed with a 2006+ motherboard with onboard 10/100 or 10/100/1000 (gigabit) ports should pull closer to 100megabits. Pci Bus 2.0+ or PCi Express 1.0 should give you the full 100 throughput less minor overhead. Even on my old 2003 desktop with onboard lan, I'm pulling 40-85mbits depending upon compression ratios of the data I'm transferring computer to computer via lan file sharing between computers). The internet is quite different, although you see "speed tests" and "downloads" which take into account your not on a lan so speeds won't necessarily be consistent.. Speed tests such as speakeasy.net screw up some days and show less speed than is your real throughput.

Internet user experience is a subjective thing.. if someone is satisfied with a 5/512 connection vs a 20/5 connection on two competitive technologies at similar price... whatever floats your boat.. but an educated consumer should be able to tell the difference in real world usage if the product is more valuable to their overall experience. Many would disagree the the cable product is as good or better, especially during prime time (3-9pm weekdays) on a cablemodem service compared with a fttp network such as FIOS. The jury is just being paneled for Docsis 3.0 product lineup. This is based upon 2.0 vs fttp

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said by tmc8080:

Don't take this the wrong way, but this is typical of computers circa 2003ish.. yes, many of us still have 6 year old computers, but anything designed with a 2006+ motherboard with onboard 10/100 or 10/100/1000 (gigabit) ports should pull closer to 100megabits.
We are talking about two different things. I am talking about port speed on routers, NOT individual PC's. This is the very reason Verizon choose the Actiontec router; because it could handle the throughput.

said by tmc8080:

Internet user experience is a subjective thing.. if someone is satisfied with a 5/512 connection vs a 20/5 connection on two competitive technologies at similar price... whatever floats your boat.. but an educated consumer should be able to tell the difference in real world usage if the product is more valuable to their overall experience.
Thats just my point. The one example of a user experience I gave was the PS3. My other examples were more general, that the overall experience isnt much different on a 5Mbps connection as compared to a 20Mbps connection. I dont download large files (rarely), and I dont torrent. As such, there is virtually no discernible difference between what I had (TWC) and what I have (FIOS). However, as you said its a subjective thing. You might do a lot of pirating or downloading (and uploading) of large files. In that situation, you (collectively) would probably prefer FIOS.
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I don't even really think this guy has FIOS, Just hating on it. If you can't notice a differnece from a 5/512k to a 20/5 connection something is seriously wrong with you. I had OOL boost wich was a 30/5 connection. I now have a 35/20 connection and notice a difference in Latency and connection stability. And as far as PS goes the PSN is a POS as it is so I'am not surprised you see no speed difference. I believe they cap all connections @ 1MB per second. But I did notice the ps3 logs onto the PSN alot faster than before. I mean I can't make you like something but I have yet to hear people complain about the PQ on the 7216. I have that box and have superb PQ SD or HD, Maybe you just have a bad box . Try to get them to send you out a new one.

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said by Theman2006:

I don't even really think this guy has FIOS, Just hating on it. If you can't notice a differnece from a 5/512k to a 20/5 connection something is seriously wrong with you. I had OOL boost wich was a 30/5 connection. I now have a 35/20 connection and notice a difference in Latency and connection stability.
I think you are confusing yourself. I said I didnt see any difference between the speed of my TWC connection and my FIOS connection. You are now talking about latency and connection stability, which are two very quantifiable things. The latency and connection reliability of my TWC connection was comparable to my FIOS connection, so thats not a factor here.
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wifi4milez
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said by Theman2006:

I have yet to hear people complain about the PQ on the 7216. I have that box and have superb PQ SD or HD, Maybe you just have a bad box . Try to get them to send you out a new one.
I am very surprised by that, the SD quality (with FIOS in general) has been a HUGE topic here at DSLR. If you have the time, below is a 43 page thread dedicated to the topic.
»1.6.2 Upgrade Thread
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said by wifi4milez:

said by way2evil:

Once again please teach me how a 100mbit port differs from a gigabit port when you can only max out at 20mbits (not transferring within your LAN).
I just explained it to you. Almost every soho router has 10/100 ports on it, however much of the hardware cant handle anywhere near that throughput. Dont take my word for it, do some research right here on this site. An example would be that even with 3rd party firmware, a Linksys router falls far short of being able to reach its 100Mbps port speed.

said by bobTeatow (writing the DSLR Verizon Online FIOS FAQ) :

Some routers may not be able to support FiOS' higher speeds. For example, some users have discovered a 16-17 Mbps limit with the Linksys WRT54G using third party firmware.
The rest of the FAQ is available here »Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »What are the tradeoffs between the various router configurations

Make sense?
Heh, i tried to keep my mouth shut, but I HAVE to speak up. I have 20/20 service via Verizon FIOS. I get both 20 up and 20 down, no issues. I have an onboard NIC, 10/100 variety. In addition, my wife's PC has a Gigabit onboard nic, absolutely NO issues. We use the built in actiontec router, and yes I DO use torrents, I am an internet power user, i kick the shit out of my connection. My connection has not dropped ONE SINGLE TIME since i got the connection in place. The only time I have ever been offline is when plugging the router into a UPS. I keep an SSH connection open for days to a dedicated server living in my closet and never have issues.

So when you say FIOS is 'nothing special' I say you are full of shit. This is the way internet SHOULD be for everyone.

Disclaimer: I do not work for, nor am I affiliated with, Verizon, Verizon Wireless, or any other Verizon owned/operated company.

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said by Eek2121:

Heh, i tried to keep my mouth shut, but I HAVE to speak up. I have 20/20 service via Verizon FIOS. I get both 20 up and 20 down, no issues. I have an onboard NIC, 10/100 variety. In addition, my wife's PC has a Gigabit onboard nic, absolutely NO issues. We use the built in actiontec router
You need to go back and reread my post, since you obviously didnt get it. I said (and the DSLR FIOS FAQ clearly points out) that most consumer routers cant handle the bandwidth FIOS provides. I then went on to point out that the reason Verizon uses the Actiontec device is because it can.

said by Eek2121:

yes I DO use torrents, I am an internet power user, i kick the shit out of my connection. My connection has not dropped ONE SINGLE TIME since i got the connection in place. The only time I have ever been offline is when plugging the router into a UPS. I keep an SSH connection open for days to a dedicated server living in my closet and never have issues.
Thats great, and thats why everyone has a different experience. I should also point out that running a server on your connection is a violation of the TOS, but thats neither here nor there. Assuming you dont run a server, and dont torrent, the average person wont notice any difference.

Regarding your comments about line quality, that was not something I ever questioned. I never said I had any problems (technically) with FIOS, the service has worked great for 7 months.
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said by wifi4milez:

said by Eek2121:

Heh, i tried to keep my mouth shut, but I HAVE to speak up. I have 20/20 service via Verizon FIOS. I get both 20 up and 20 down, no issues. I have an onboard NIC, 10/100 variety. In addition, my wife's PC has a Gigabit onboard nic, absolutely NO issues. We use the built in actiontec router
You need to go back and reread my post, since you obviously didnt get it. I said (and the DSLR FIOS FAQ clearly points out) that most consumer routers cant handle the bandwidth FIOS provides. I then went on to point out that the reason Verizon uses the Actiontec device is because it can.

said by Eek2121:

yes I DO use torrents, I am an internet power user, i kick the shit out of my connection. My connection has not dropped ONE SINGLE TIME since i got the connection in place. The only time I have ever been offline is when plugging the router into a UPS. I keep an SSH connection open for days to a dedicated server living in my closet and never have issues.
Thats great, and thats why everyone has a different experience. I should also point out that running a server on your connection is a violation of the TOS, but thats neither here nor there. Assuming you dont run a server, and dont torrent, the average person wont notice any difference.

Regarding your comments about line quality, that was not something I ever questioned. I never said I had any problems (technically) with FIOS, the service has worked great for 7 months.
Unless you are buying your router at a toystore there is no reason why it shouldnt be able to handle FiOS.

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said by way2evil:

said by wifi4milez:

said by Eek2121:

Heh, i tried to keep my mouth shut, but I HAVE to speak up. I have 20/20 service via Verizon FIOS. I get both 20 up and 20 down, no issues. I have an onboard NIC, 10/100 variety. In addition, my wife's PC has a Gigabit onboard nic, absolutely NO issues. We use the built in actiontec router
You need to go back and reread my post, since you obviously didnt get it. I said (and the DSLR FIOS FAQ clearly points out) that most consumer routers cant handle the bandwidth FIOS provides. I then went on to point out that the reason Verizon uses the Actiontec device is because it can.

said by Eek2121:

yes I DO use torrents, I am an internet power user, i kick the shit out of my connection. My connection has not dropped ONE SINGLE TIME since i got the connection in place. The only time I have ever been offline is when plugging the router into a UPS. I keep an SSH connection open for days to a dedicated server living in my closet and never have issues.
Thats great, and thats why everyone has a different experience. I should also point out that running a server on your connection is a violation of the TOS, but thats neither here nor there. Assuming you dont run a server, and dont torrent, the average person wont notice any difference.

Regarding your comments about line quality, that was not something I ever questioned. I never said I had any problems (technically) with FIOS, the service has worked great for 7 months.
Unless you are buying your router at a toystore there is no reason why it shouldnt be able to handle FiOS.
So are you saying Linksys routers are only available in toystores then?
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submrge

join:2004-10-10
Brooklyn, NY
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My connection has not dropped ONE SINGLE TIME since i got the connection in place.
so what? i've been dl'ing / ul'ing torrents non stop on a private site for like 40 days now thru my cv connection. mine hasn't dropped either.

fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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said by glinc:

just wait CV, by the time FiOS is wired in the entire NYC and release 100/100 home connection you will see a big hit in your subscribers
Most of CV areas are already wired with FiOS, and Verizon hasn't even responded to the 101Mbps tier.

100/100? HA! Yeah right!

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Josimars

join:2001-04-24
Port Chester, NY
One of the main issues hampering FIOS against Cablevision is MSNBC and Cablevision knows that. If and when FIOS gets MSNBC I am sure cablevision wont be laughing then.

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ThrowDemsOut
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Mullica Hill, NJ
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said by glinc:

just wait CV, by the time FiOS is wired in the entire NYC and release 100/100 home connection you will see a big hit in your subscribers
And that will depend on price. At prices Verizon is charging most won't jump for the highest tiers. And Cablevision is cheaper at the mid-level speeds.
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majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
kudos:1
There is no way they are wiring up all of nyc. Verizon cant even wire up whole towns and villages.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1
said by glinc:

just wait CV, by the time FiOS is wired in the entire NYC and release 100/100 home connection you will see a big hit in your subscribers
And what about the BPONers? 155 upload spread among upto 32 customers.
LJGoose

join:2008-08-31
Middle Island, NY
You got alot to learn about Verizon and CV kid. You won't see 100/100 for along time.

Attack Gypsy

join:2007-05-10
Bridgeport, CT
said by glinc:

just wait CV, by the time FiOS is wired in the entire NYC and release 100/100 home connection you will see a big hit in your subscribers
Entire NYC? Hrmm... CV has Brooklyn and the Bronx. So, entire NYC isn't happening.

Also, they have NJ, and F airfield County in CT. Yeah, Verizon in this area really isn't a threat. Verizon will never be here in CT. Not when SBC has a stranglehold on phone service and CV has been here for cable since the early 1980's.
Corydon
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Denver, CO

Hopefully breaking the mobile phone market wide open

Interestingly, Rutledge also said said putting a voice product on top of the Wi-Fi network was "inevitable."
This is the most interesting part of the article for me too. Frankly, if we're ever going to see the lock on high-priced voice and SMS service that the current mobile companies are protecting go away, it will probably be something like Clearwire + TWC and Comcast offering their VoIP service that does the trick. We already know that regulators won't do the job.

I'd personally like to see something like an Android "phone" (with Google Voice) come out that runs over Clearwire+Sprint+home WiFi.
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join:2001-08-27
Palmdale, CA
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If only fios was available to me

I'd get Verizon FIOS in 2 seconds if it were available to me, which it isn't and likely won't be any time soon. I'm suppose to have 15Mbit/2Mbit service from TWC here in Socal, and though my downstream is OK, achieving the 2Mbit/sec mark on uploads is impossible, as I only get at best around 1.3Mbit/sec upstream. My RF signal levels are OK, and I've had my same equipment connected to other parts of the Southern California TWC network and I can achieve full 2Mbit/sec there, but not here where I live even though I have perfectly good equipment. If I could have 20 meg down, 5 meg up, like my friend in a newer development about 8 miles from me is lucky enough to have, I'd jump at the chance. Until Verizon widens there footprint for FIOs, things won't expand very far on TWC's end I don't think.

n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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Optimum WiFi

I hope at some point that Cablevision will look into providing a WiFi roaming option to other cable carriers. The Verizon WiFi deal rides on Boingo and has a larger footprint than OptimumWiFi which is limited to the Cablevision service area.

It was reported a while back on this forum that Cablevision was providing technical assistance to Comcast in New Jersey to set up a WiFi network similar to OptimumWiFi. However, there was not going to be any roaming between the two networks. The next step would be to add roaming.
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majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
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Re: Optimum WiFi

Um the problem with verizons wifi is you have to be of a certain package to use it. Cablevisions is open to any cablevision subscriber.

n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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Re: Optimum WiFi

said by majortom1029:

Um the problem with verizons wifi is you have to be of a certain package to use it. Cablevisions is open to any cablevision subscriber.
Cablevision or Optimum Online subscriber? I believe you have to have OOL to use Optimum WiFi. Video and/or OV alone will not work.
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?

join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD

Misinformed

"Verizon is a me-too kind of product," said Rutledge. "What we do, they tend to do better," says the COO.
Fixed.
hbk4099

join:2005-12-30

Re: Misinformed

said by kyler13:

"Verizon is a me-too kind of product," said Rutledge. "What we do, they tend to do better," says the COO.
Fixed.
I love how everyone from all parts of the country weigh in in cablevision topics like it was their cable company. Cablevision has alwAys been on the forfront. When ool was released over 10 years ago it was 10/1 where every where else the speed were much slower. When fios came out everyone said cable can't keep up, then ool ultra comes out everyone says they can't do it, and fios is just going to one up them and we are all still waiting for fios to up the download speeds.

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Brooklyn, NY

Save me some major $$ or I'll stay with CV.

I've never been disappointed with CV service, whether it be the packages/network performance/customer service. I wouldn't switch for FiOS unless they gave me a great deal.

As of now (grrrr) I'm a TW customer and wish I could spend my money else where.

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La La Land
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Re: Save me some major $$ or I'll stay with CV.

said by BetaTron:

I've never been disappointed with CV service, whether it be the packages/network performance/customer service. I wouldn't switch for FiOS unless they gave me a great deal.

As of now (grrrr) I'm a TW customer and wish I could spend my money else where.
I on the other hand, have constantly been disappointed by their service. During the MONTHS of November until March, my speeds will decline to almost one third of advertised, with CV telling me that they find nothing wrong on the network or in my area. This happens every year like clockwork.

Everyone I have spoken with who HAD CV and switched to FIOS, loves FIOS and would NEVER switch back.

I guess it depends where you are and how many people are on your oversold node.
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majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
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wow

The problem is that There will always be areas that Cablevision is in that fios isnt.

I am practically right next to babylon town hall and was told by fios rep i will never get fios when 7 blocks away my parents have it and we are both in the same village and bot out of the same CO

As long as Verizon is doing this they will never make cablevision go out of business.
gtaylor0

join:2003-10-29
Westport, CT

Re: wow

said by majortom1029:

The problem is that There will always be areas that Cablevision is in that fios isnt.

I am practically right next to babylon town hall and was told by fios rep i will never get fios when 7 blocks away my parents have it and we are both in the same village and bot out of the same CO

As long as Verizon is doing this they will never make cablevision go out of business.
Try being in Connecticut - never will be FIOS here, a real shame.

IowaMan
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Grinnell, IA

Re: wow

Connecticut will get it before Iowa will
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Golden, CO
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Correction about FiOS 50/20 pricing

FiOS 50/20 is $90 per month in areas where there's competition, including in NYC. So a little cheaper than CV for higher-upload service and no $300 activation fee.

If I had $200 per month to burn I'd probably get myself a 150/35 connection, but honestly I'd probably end up getting the $60 20/20 tier from DSLExtreme over anything Verizon sells directly.

Rob23

@windstream.net

Writing is on the wall

If its a me-too product than it all comes down to price and because of Cablevisions high (CHARTER LIKE DEBT) assets 9,383,208 liabilities 14,745,451 and only 3million customers its at high risk of a price war. cablevision 1qt EPS was ( -0.61)Not good. Interestingly,Rutledge applied for a job at directv last month,He didn't get it.

NJBoricua75
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Brooklyn, NY

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Fios, Schmios, where is it?

The shit ain't here so who cares. Fios service isn't available where it matters. Buildings and multi dwellings around the Bronx and Brooklyn. NYC is a concrete jungle. CV is not gonna care about losing a few mafiosos and fat cats from Mill Basin and Bergen Beach. Verizon is working at a snails pace. 2014? LMAO, yeah RIGHT! I'll believe it when I see it. Even CV knows they wont make it by that deadline. With Verizon's cherry picking and redlining I don't believe they'll have the entire city covered.

By the time they do finish deploying the city no one will really care, they'll probably be throttling and capping and the picture quality won't be as good as used to be not to mention the rising cost.

Believe me, I'm the last to defend CV but Verizon's deployment efforts right now are a joke. Flashy commercials for their service and nobody can get the damn thing! I've seen Fios in action at a friends on Staten Island and it's not all that impressive to me. I saw plenty of the same old pixellation that I see on CV. The quality was marginally better but not as dramatic as some of the fanboys here claim

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jimmytjams
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join:2006-12-23
Buffalo, NY

I do love Verizon FiOS

I do love Verizon FiOS I have 20/20 (all speeds shown are Mbits/s) $69.95(no package) which is now being offered as 25/15. I will keep 20/20 and hope they don't force a change to 25/15.

My main activity is P2P bit torrent Many bit torrent users forget or are not aware that a 10 /10 can be better than 10/1 10/2 20/5 etc if sharing fast, fairly and quanity is important to them.

I belong to a few private sites that have ratio requirements. My fast upload makes it easier and faster to get and share as much as possible. I don't get evening slowdowns like cable users "might' get. Plus the hell with Cable, FiOS, Vontage and any other $19.95 and up phone service. I use Skype About $5 a month if you get the subscription and a local number unlimited US to US & Canada calls (almost unlimited 10,000 minute cap) I mainly use my Verizon Cell phone $39.95+ (many family & friends use them) 450 minutes but with peak calls to non verizon $0.45 per minute over 450 Skype comes in handy if I may go over.
Calculata

join:2009-05-04

Re: I do love Verizon FiOS

Want to see Optimum lightpath residential

calculata222

@cablevision.com
I can't wait until CVC starts to run fiber lines and then you FIOS guys will be back again.

carl2680

@rr.com

Re: I do love Verizon FiOS

Time is Cablevision and Time warner friend now. Verizon is not being aggressive in wiring the city. I don't know who is running Verizon here in NYC, but I was running this company I would start the wiring process very aggressively. Like they say you finish off your enemies when they are down.

The_ANoN

@verizon.net
said by calculata222 :

I can't wait until CVC starts to run fiber lines and then you FIOS guys will be back again.
So far FiOS has the features, picture quality, and reliability and stability that Cable doesn't. Until they can offer that AND some, then maybe I'll consider switching back. Right now I absolutely love FiOS and am glad I switched. CV has some catching up to do as far as I'm concerned.

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