  Chris 313Because It's Geekier
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Chris 313
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2011-Jan-24 10:34 am
Pathetic11 for only 160GB? That is just disgusting. I left behind a 160GB old DVR when I switched to U-Verse and I went from only 47 recordings to 367 recordings on a 320GB DVR. If they put out an external storage offering, I'd add a 1TB or larger drive and have that much more space.
Cablevision needs to rethink the storage thing for the price. 250GB or higher or it's not worth it in my opinion. | |
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2011-Jan-24 12:31 pm
Re: Pathetic160 GB is a joke when Directv has 320-500GB + e-sata. And is working on a full home sever box with 1tb + e-sata.
comcast has 250-320 in there newer boxes.
fios will soon have E-sata.
IO cable has 160gb + SDV that makes tivo uses miss out on channels.
Yes there web says this channel does not work on cable card for some of there channels. | |
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Phatty
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2011-Jan-24 10:38 am
external?Can I buy an external drive for this service? No? Then its worthless.
Also how about reliability? VOD works for me 99% of the time, but that 1% of the time where something is not working right would really suck if that was during the time you were expecting to catch up on your shows.
I don't see how this helps anyone but the provider so that they can purchase smaller/dumber terminals for their customers. | |
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nukscull
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2011-Jan-24 12:40 pm
Re: external?Why would you even question whether you can buy external storage for an online storage product? | |
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2011-Jan-24 10:42 am
What's the pointIt costs the same as the box dvr now, but introduces problems like FF and REW not working properly (I am assuming the sofware is the same as their VOD now).
So what am I as a consumer gaining here? | |
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Re: What's the pointsaid by Dodge:So what am I as a consumer gaining here? Well the only things that I can think of are: - it works on most plain (non-DVR) boxes, which costs you less money (you don't have to pay extra for DVR boxes on other sets, to get DVR on them) - it basically gets you "anyroom" DVR, again w/plain boxes - you don't have to worry about power outages/glitches in YOUR house affecting the DVR (but in their network instead) All in all, I'd still rather keep the control of MY DVR in MY own box, thank you. Also, NOT being able to skip commercials (30 sec skip) IS a totally deal breaker for me. | |
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CTMustang
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CTMustang
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2011-Jan-24 10:44 am
Hometheater PC is the only way to go.Cablevision is forcing this to happen. 160gb is laughable. My Media center PC. » lh6.ggpht.com/_EhTE6BDsb ··· 9.37.jpg442 hours of HD recording time. When you're looking for a movie on cable, this is what it looks like: (No I didn't do anything special to get it to show up this way) » lh5.ggpht.com/_EhTE6BDsb ··· 2.12.jpgThe guide: » lh6.ggpht.com/_EhTE6BDsb ··· 1.50.jpgNot only does it scroll as fast as you can scroll. If you go to the left you get a TON of options. - Searching for shows is easy and fast. - No channel change lag. - No lag at all actually. - Press ONE button to go to the guide. I'm never going back to a cable box. | |
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|  Rob
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Rob
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2011-Jan-24 10:56 am
Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.Where did you get/build that media center ? | |
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Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.It's actually a core 2 duo Dell XPS 420. Nothing special about it. Old 8800gt video card.
Media center really doesn't need anything too much to be usable. | |
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Rob
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2011-Jan-25 7:29 am
Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.Thanks. I'm still "new" to this hometheater stuff, what software are you running to get that guide? | |
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What kind of cable card tuner are you using in your set up?
..and what did it run you?
Have any problems or issues with your current set up?
Would love to see some photos of your media center pc tower if you have any.
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|  FFH5
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said by CTMustang:My Media center PC.
442 hours of HD recording time.
When you're looking for a movie on cable, this is what it looks like:
I'm never going back to a cable box.
And where do you get all that content that you are recording? Is it legal content? Or are you violating copyright to get it? | |
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| |  Augustus IIIIf Only Rome Could See Us Now....
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Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.said by FFH5:said by CTMustang:My Media center PC.
442 hours of HD recording time.
When you're looking for a movie on cable, this is what it looks like:
I'm never going back to a cable box.
And where do you get all that content that you are recording? Is it legal content? Or are you violating copyright to get it? does it matter?;no. he has an awesome setup! that matters! | |
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2011-Jan-24 12:42 pm
Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.said by Augustus III:said by FFH5:said by CTMustang:My Media center PC.
442 hours of HD recording time.
When you're looking for a movie on cable, this is what it looks like:
I'm never going back to a cable box.
And where do you get all that content that you are recording? Is it legal content? Or are you violating copyright to get it? does it matter?;no. he has an awesome setup! that matters! Of course it matters. He is trying to compare his setup to a cable company's DVR. He would have to be on equal footing to make that comparison. I could put every movie ever made on a storage system at home and say I have more streaming movies than Netflix, but does that matter to the average Netflix user? | |
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setup being awsome? LAMO! it's Media Center! big deal! My laptop can do that!
And yes it does matter as far as copy right. He's bragging on something he downloads illegally and considers it "his". When actually its not anywhere near his. | |
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2011-Jan-25 12:59 am
Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.I love it when people spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on media centers to "save money" because he doesn't pay Netflix $8 or $15 a month for a DVR. | |
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Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.I love it when people can't open their eyes to the world of no lame cablevision box.
netflix also is part of media center. | |
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You guys are ridiculous... I pay for a cable card. It's 100% legal. All of my dvr'ed shows come from cablevision. I also have 5 tv's in the house with 4 people recording stuff.......it's a whole house dvr using xbox360's as extenders. | |
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said by hottboiinnc4:setup being awsome? LAMO! it's Media Center! big deal! My laptop can do that!
And yes it does matter as far as copy right. He's bragging on something he downloads illegally and considers it "his". When actually its not anywhere near his.
1. I don't consider it "mine" 2. How the fark do you come in here assuming I'm downloading illegal content when we're talking about DVRing shows. 3. You look like an asshole with this post. 4. I pay for a cable card and we record shows we want, it's paid for. So suck it. | |
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Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.They are just clueless. People don't realize if you record a series like all the CSI's the will be 72 hours of shows. Kick in some movies and you get to 42 hours. I Have thought of this set up but since I have Directv it complicates it with no Auto tune. | |
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Simba7
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2011-Jan-25 4:52 pm
Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.said by hottboiinnc4:i'm not clueless. It's the fact that he claims he downloads his shows. The fact is Media Center does not work fully that way. Any idiot can DVR shows. The thing is their still encrypted. So its no different than watching them on a cable co's box.
When you're on here trying to show off your DVR/HTPC and its nothing more than a Media Center PC- its time to grow up. They don't even compare to each other. One is just an over priced PC and that's all it ever will be. The one actually from the MSO; is a true cable box and DVR. NOT an overpriced PC that will be out of date within the next year if not already out of date by the time Dell sends it to you.
Ugh. You guys are freakin' clueless. You can turn a normal PC (and a cheap one at that) into a custom DVR with the right equipment. If you want to drop $400 on a Ceton InfiniTV card and build yourself a cheap Core i3 and a set of HDDs (they're cheap), you'd have a sweet DVR and have it quite customizable. Me, I'm stuck with a Pace TDC775 that is grouchy at times. Sometimes it eats shows, if you don't turn it off properly it'll erase itself.. you can't upgrade the HDD in it to something bigger.. half of the ports are disabled.. The list goes on. (Why the hell do you use XFS on a DVR?) At least WMC12 can support 1 (or 2) of these cards plus a couple OTA adapters, therefore creating a rather overkill DVR. ..and what is your definition of a "True Cable Box and DVR"? All a cable box does is properly decrypt and tune a set of pecific channels that are provisioned by the Cable Company. A DVR just records that specific channel in an encrypted format on a Hard Drive. Building your own DVR destroys some of the restrictions and problems. Sure, you still have encryption.. But at least you'll have more space, less chance of it getting hungry for your favorite shows, and more capabilities like MRV over your network and recording even more channels at once. Have you ever recorded one channel while watching another.. then when your other show is about to come on, your Cable DVR automatically switches to the other channel while you're in the middle of a different show? It's freakin' annoying. I'd love to have a Quad Tuner DVR, but can't build one just yet. BTW: There's a difference between downloading your shows and "timeshifting" them. | |
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said by hottboiinnc4:i'm not clueless. It's the fact that he claims he downloads his shows. The fact is Media Center does not work fully that way. Any idiot can DVR shows. The thing is their still encrypted. So its no different than watching them on a cable co's box.
When you're on here trying to show off your DVR/HTPC and its nothing more than a Media Center PC- its time to grow up. They don't even compare to each other. One is just an over priced PC and that's all it ever will be. The one actually from the MSO; is a true cable box and DVR. NOT an overpriced PC that will be out of date within the next year if not already out of date by the time Dell sends it to you.
I never claimed I download my shows. Media center does fully work that way anyway. A Dvr/HTPC and Media center PC directly compare, not sure what you're talking about. Also - You're having trouble reading what I wrote, this is an OLD PC, that I'm using. I didn't even buy it for this purpose... Sigh. Newbies. | |
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Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.Point is that 160 GB is peanuts for this sort of thing, 2000GB drives have been under $100 for some time so a year's worth of rental fees to these people would buy you many many times more home storage. | |
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said by FFH5:said by CTMustang:My Media center PC.
442 hours of HD recording time.
When you're looking for a movie on cable, this is what it looks like:
I'm never going back to a cable box.
And where do you get all that content that you are recording? Is it legal content? Or are you violating copyright to get it? If you have a quad tuner , you could do that in a 2 weeks. 500 HD is not really alot. | |
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Simba7
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2011-Jan-24 12:35 pm
Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go...wonder if he was one of the lucky few to get the InfiniTV Quad Tuner.
Plus, HDD space is freakin' cheap. I built a 6TB RAID5 (4x 2TB HDDs) for under $300. Actually, one box I have has 4.01TB (4x1.5TB), second and third have 5.45TB (4x2TB) each.
..and I paid under $800 for all that space.
Like I said, HDD space is cheap. Just keep an eye on Newegg. | |
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NyNexit
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2011-Jan-25 12:55 am
Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.Thats a lot of money to watch TV, Is it evenpossible to watch all of it? | |
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Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.When you have 4 people in a house all sharing the same media center pc - it really isn't that much.
Before this we had 5 boxes, 4 dvr's, all tivos I paid a total of 852 for this setup... it will eventually break even. However in the mean time we have a MUCH better setup.
A REAL whole house dvr. | |
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2011-Jan-25 2:16 am
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said by DaveDude:If you have a quad tuner , you could do that in a 2 weeks. 500 HD is not really alot.
No, 500GB isn't a lot if you record a whole bunch of things in 2 weeks. But what is the point? Isn't it pointless if you can't watch everything you recorded? I assume you can't watch it all, since presumably you'd be recording TV shows that come on every week, and would never be able to catch up on all the shows. And while you are watching something, something else would be recording. You want quad tuners so you can record when there are up to 4 shows on at the same time that you can't miss. You don't use quad tuners to record everything and then never have time to watch it. I guess maybe some people plan their TV viewing for 3 or 4 years down the road. "I'll record seasons 1, 2, and 3 of Breaking Bad, and watch them a couple of years from now while I'm recording seasons 4 and 5, and trying to catch up on American Idol seasons 9, 10, and 11." | |
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Re: Hometheater PC is the only way to go.It's the freedom to do what you want - which is why I built this.
I actually have 7 tuners. 5 of them can record any channel, 2 of them only record channels 2-30.
Like I said I have 4 people in this house and we all love different shows. We also have two vulkano's (like slingbox) because 2 of us are on the road A LOT and watch our shows from outside the house 70% of the time. | |
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said by nukscull :said by DaveDude:If you have a quad tuner , you could do that in a 2 weeks. 500 HD is not really alot.
No, 500GB isn't a lot if you record a whole bunch of things in 2 weeks. But what is the point? Isn't it pointless if you can't watch everything you recorded? I assume you can't watch it all, since presumably you'd be recording TV shows that come on every week, and would never be able to catch up on all the shows. And while you are watching something, something else would be recording. You want quad tuners so you can record when there are up to 4 shows on at the same time that you can't miss. You don't use quad tuners to record everything and then never have time to watch it. I guess maybe some people plan their TV viewing for 3 or 4 years down the road. "I'll record seasons 1, 2, and 3 of Breaking Bad, and watch them a couple of years from now while I'm recording seasons 4 and 5, and trying to catch up on American Idol seasons 9, 10, and 11." Not really if you have a wishlist that says "hd movie", then it records a weeks worth of movies, then you just select the one you want, i have been doing this since the early replaytv days . | |
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It's all legal content, I don't know how you would "record" illegal content.
Sure you can download movies, but that wouldn't count towards my DVR hours. | |
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FFH5
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2011-Jan-24 10:48 am
Pro/Con of networked DVRPro
Cheaper - $11/mo vs for example the $16/mo I pay on Comcast for 1 HW DVR
View on multiple STBs - you can watch recorded info on more than 1 STB and initiate multiple recording(4 at a time) from multiple STBs
Won't lose recordings - Cloud storage should be redundant and backed up. Less chance of losing a recording due to DVR hard disk failure.
Con
FF/Rew - it has FF and Rewind, but apparently not skip 30 secs or 5 mins like HW DVRs have
Cmd delays - FF/REW cmds must go to head end before being acted on causing slight delays similar to what your get with FF/REW on OnDemand content.
Availability of playback channels - unless I misread the doc supplied, the Cloud DVR will need to allocate channels to a cable node just like OnDemand does. And just like OnDemand, a busy node can return error codes indicating no channel is available to initiate your playback.
Amount of cloud storage - 160GB is very skimpy considering you can record 4 HD shows at once and the system is supporting multiple STBs for viewing | |
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HmmKeep in mind they are giving people the same amount of space that there dvr boxes have. Also cablevision does not have multiroom dvr which this solution gives tem.
This also allows them to open it up to other devices like ipads in the future. | |
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Network DVR questionsWhy don't they enable data deduplication on the storage array in the datacenter? That way if someone records a show like CSI for example, and if you also record it... it's only using up space for 1 HD episode, rather than wastefully recording multiple copies, wasting space and disk utilization. That way you'll likely never reach your limit on the 160GB storage pool, unless you record a lot of stuff others don't.
Also how is the response time with trick play controls? Are they transmitting these controls over DOCSIS (much faster than traditional low bandwidth OOB data channels).
If the stuff is streamed, why not stream a nicer DVR menu fit for 2011... not that same 12 year old UI. Where's the innovation? ActiveVideo Networks has some rich streaming UI products, as does Seachange. | |
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Elminating Cable DVR Rental ?Sounds good, I'd subscribe to that if it would elminate the need to rent a Charter DVR at $20/mo and save money. Not sure what you would need to rent from your cable company to use it. I could elminate my $20/DVR rental from Charter, but would still need to rent a $10/mo box for digital. Add this $10/mo to the $11/mo, then we are over what I am paying Charter now for the cheap DVR.
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2011-Jan-24 8:57 pm
Great sense for Cable CoIt's much easier to build a big server net than to run a fleet of trucks and service folks. Getting boxes out of the house is a dream for cable cos.-figure everyone still has a box but that box has no hard drive to fail The hard drive is the weak point of any computer or DVR. In TV use it runs almost all the time at high rates.
Once the boxes are no longer "mechanical" they will last way longer and be way cheaper for the cable cos. Updates to the system are also much easier if it is a smart center and dumb fringe. | |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they come
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dvd536
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2011-Jan-25 5:30 am
WAIT!Wasn't this supposed to be free when CV was initially talking about it?
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Snakeoil
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2011-Jan-25 5:47 am
Is there an app for that?At an extra 11 bucks a month for them to hold my DVR stuff for me, I'd hope there'd be an app, so I can watch my DVRed stuff from my smart device while on the road. Then maybe, the 11 bucks extra would/might be worth it.
Though currently I use Dishnetwork, and they are pushing the slingbox enabled DVRS, and claim that with a slingbox dvr you can watch anywhere, and for free. | |
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