1 edit | hmm WOW cablevision is really ready to fight fios.
Cablevision area wifi and docsis 3.0?
Glad i live in a cablevision serviced area.
Can i ask a serious question. IF cablevision can offer these service why cant the other cable companies offer them? IS cablevisions network more equiped to handle it? | |
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1 edit | Re: hmm YEah well I still will be able to go anywhere on long island and get wifi. I wont be able to do that on fios.
Also how do you know speeds will be better on fios? Your not an employee of cablevision . Unless you have a docsis 3 connection then you cant talk.
Also if the rumours are true and they went with cisco , cisco was offering docsis 3 equipment that can allow cable companies to transition over to fttp.
So stop with the fios fanboy stuff. Dont make claims unless you can back them up and right now you cant since you dont have cablevision docsis 3.0 tests to back them up.
Also fios isnt available everywhere in cablevisions footprint so if cablevision raises its speed before fios is available everywhere fios can get awfully expensive for verizon . | |
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| | | | | | Re: hmm so your claims are baseless then. If cable can offer a 100/100 package at a cheaper rate then fios then what does it matter if its fiber or coax?
Also the hpna 3.1 spec states they can get 320/320 speeds out of coax. So aslong as the docsis spec keeps growing with what other coax specs can get speed wise cablevision wont have to upgrade to fiber. | |
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Also the hpna 3.1 spec states they can get 320/320 speeds out of coax. So aslong as the docsis spec keeps growing with what other coax specs can get speed wise cablevision wont have to upgrade to fiber.
Specs are just that, specs... They don't mean shit in the real world. I'll believe 100/100 out of cable when I see it. | |
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1 edit | Re: hmm OK but it has been tested with narad. Narad doesnt exist anymore but they did get 100/100 speeds cablevision just thought it was too expensive to deploy.
Dont believe me? Go to the optimum online speed test site on dslreports. Look at the top speed. Thats from somebody who was doing narad tests. (narad used switches in diff parts of the coaxial network)
Also comcast did a live speed test in a show in las vegas i think. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: hmm that's great that they can get it to work in a testing environment, but like I said, I'll believe it when I see it... when its a regular tier that can be purchased from the cable co. Hopefully sooner than later to really get that competition heating up... | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: hmm That doesnt help with your argument that fios is just better.
How do you know which docsis 3 equipment cablevision is using. Cisco has docsis 3 equipment that allows a cable company to upgrade to fttp in the future.
So why is fios still just better then?
Also add in the fact that eventually i will be able to go almost anywhere in cablevisions territory and get free wifi access with my cablevision account hwo would fios still be the better service?
Iwould rather have a service that is a little slower but can be accessed anywhere they service then a service that is faster and can only be accessed at home.
Fios has to come up with something to compete with the wifi access. That is i feel going to be a bis plus for cablevision. | |
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join:2003-05-26
Climax, MI
kudos:3
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| Re: hmm said by majortom1029:That doesnt help with your argument that fios is just better. Leave him alone. He's just a FIOS fan boy. You should see him complaining in the Optimum Online forum even though he's switched to FIOS. | |
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| | | | | | | that means absolutely nothing. lets see, they can get 100/100, and how many on a node? how many ppl per node will order 100/100? more than one? oh no, cablevision has to increase their backbone to handle that. get real and stop spitting shit out of your ass. fios will always be faster than cablevision because of the simple fact it is ftth and not copper. for some reason i highly doubt that cablevision is going fttp anytime soon, or ever for that matter. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: hmm hmm so you failed to go to the optonline dslreports speed test page right? So speed test results are not fact?
how am i talking shit with facts?
here
"62.1m/96.7m Cablevision schenkman @ Nesconset, NY, USA "
Also comcast did a test in las vegas and people with comcast docsis 3 have been getting almost full spee dwith their 50/5 packages.
Also if you read what i wrote the narad tech they where going to use used switches at the node and at the tap so users did not matter . OF course you bash me without reading what i write .
The docsis 3 stuff is a different standard but this proves my point that its not the medium its the standard they are using.
So call me names all you want but i would like to see some facts before telling me i am wrong. | |
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join:2007-09-14
New York, NY
kudos:1 | Yea, they can do whatever they want in a testing facility but when they release 50/5 to the public, guess what, everyone is gonna want it. Then what? | |
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join:2006-11-18
Union, NJ
kudos:9 | said by ccna :
that means absolutely nothing. lets see, they can get 100/100, and how many on a node? how many ppl per node will order 100/100? more than one? oh no, cablevision has to increase their backbone to handle that. get real and stop spitting shit out of your ass. fios will always be faster than cablevision because of the simple fact it is ftth and not copper. for some reason i highly doubt that cablevision is going fttp anytime soon, or ever for that matter.
doesn't it terminate in some form of copper ? | |
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said by majortom1029:YEah well I still will be able to go anywhere on long island and get wifi. I wont be able to do that on fios. Also how do you know speeds will be better on fios? Your not an employee of cablevision . Unless you have a docsis 3 connection then you cant talk. Also if the rumours are true and they went with cisco , cisco was offering docsis 3 equipment that can allow cable companies to transition over to fttp. So stop with the fios fanboy stuff. Dont make claims unless you can back them up and right now you cant since you dont have cablevision docsis 3.0 tests to back them up. Also fios isnt available everywhere in cablevisions footprint so if cablevision raises its speed before fios is available everywhere fios can get awfully expensive for verizon . | |
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| | | | Re: hmm Your another uninformed person .Its not the coax cable thats holding them back its the docsis spec. Verizon uses the same coax once they reach the home and verizon itself through the moca spec said coax can handle atleast 270/270 so untill speeds reach that its not the coax thats the problem. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: hmm Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the MoCA spec uses frequencies that would be too high to use on a general cable system (above 1GHz)- Verizon can get away with it since it only is used inside the home. | |
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| | | | | | Re: hmm The moca site says above 850 nothing about over 1ghz.
Also cablevision before narad shut down was getting 100/100 with tv over their coax. ITs just a matter of how everything is done on the medium .
Heck HPNA 3.1 states you can get 320/320 out of coax. So its just a matter of what equipment is used.
Also docsis 3.0 states the max speed you can get is 343 down and /144 up
So like i said its not the coax medium just the spec you are using.
I just wish people would stop with this fiber needs to be installed in order to compete stuff. Until speeds reach the 500/500 spot then cable does not need to upgrade yet.
HEck I would thing the US's backbone would have to be upgraded first. | |
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join:2002-10-03
Orange, CT | Wonderful begin sarcasm
Maybe we'll finally see some much-needed speed increases.
Slightly over 30Mbit down and almost 5Mbit up isn't nearly enough for web browsing.
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WOOT DOCSIS 3.0!
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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| I'll Wait For The Details I suspect the only people who will benefit from the DOCSIS 3.0 enhancements will be Boost subscribers. Plus the majority of us will probably need new DOCSIS 3.0 compatible modems. My SB5120 is not listed as being DOCSIS 3.0 ready.
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join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:21 | PowerBoost If Cablevision has PowerBoost, imagine all of the speeds people could pull if PowerBoost allows you to get as much as possible out of the node. I wonder why Time Warner in my area hasn't done DOCSIS 3.0 yet. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: PowerBoost CableVision doesn't have PowerBoost, which allows you to get full-capacity for a short period of time. OOL Boost allows it to be at max capacity ALL the time. That's pretty crazy stuff, and it'll only get crazier when DOCSIS 3.0 comes along.
Though you'll have to rent a modem from them for awhile...AFAIK 3.0 modems aren't widely available on the market yet. | |
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join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:21 | Re: PowerBoost Well then, if they're giving you "permaboost" then I can honestly say that despite those modem fees, it's worth paying it and getting that speed, especially if some how you can achieve 80+Mbps. | |
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join:2003-01-26
Beacon, NY
kudos:1 | cablevision does not charge additional for modem rental. | |
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join:2003-08-16
New Hyde Park, NY | Wifi AP's Btw I did see a OOL Wifi Access point at the LIRR Mineola station the other day...
Has anyone made a map of them yet?? | |
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| | Amazing I have Fios, but I wonder why people who just dislike cable crap on threads about cable deployment. FIOS isn't everywhere and if moved I would like to know that the co X is offering download that can match FIOS for a competitive price. | |
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join:2006-01-21
Old Bethpage, NY | CV Cablevision is not yet ready for this I hate how they always say they are ready for stuff but yet their network can't even handle their current subscriber base. Right now you if you have OOL boost you can't even get your full 30mbps at all times of the day. Proving that they can not handle the load. They best upgrade their network first so they can compete without problems.
Also to the person who said Docsis 3 has a max download of 343mbps it can actually only handle 160mbps by bonding 4 channels together.
Fiber would be the better choice for cable to go. They have the resources. I would hope that cv is splitting up nodes and adding more for the step to Docsis 3 since they can not currently handle this. | |
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1 edit | Re: CV thats not true. the docsis 3 spec can handle a max of 8 bonded channels not 4. Current hardware i think only is capable of 4 but the actual spec allows 8.
»www.jcl.or.jp/files/USLabsSemina···06v2.pdf
that is a pdf i found on the spec. I actually dont think there is a real limit on the amount of channels that can be bonded .I think its a network/hardware limitation not a spec limitation. | |
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| | | | | Re: CV said by chef255:Ground Control to Major Tom, lets face it fiber is the end-game- it's future proof as far as wired service goes-although i'm sure after these "upgrades" cablvision will have all kinds of uncompressed HD channels and blistering internet service, sort of like my current Fios service. Ah yeah. read all of majortoms posts. he obviously works for cablevision. i found his posts amusing! | |
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1 edit | Re: CV I do not work for cablevision but iam tired of all the wrong info being spread around. PS I have a verizon business fiber conenction at work thats allways going down and thats getting replaced but a much better long island fiber connection so i am not against fiber.
The problem is that people keep perpetuating this lie that coax cant offer these good speeds. IT can heck the docsis 3 spec goes all the way up to 320 down and says it can go up to gigabit speeds so obviously coax isnt as bad as people think.
People are believing verizons marketing.
If i have to ill post straight from the docsis 3 specs from cablelabs documentation which is available from their website. | |
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| | Great! This is great, I just hope that NW CT gets this asap! | |
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join:2000-04-05
Elmhurst, NY | Competition I think the greatest thing about this is not the deployment, but that this is the type of competition we need!! I'm thrilled to hear something like this because I'm sure they would have dragged their feet if it wasn't for FiOS to make that splash in NYC. Now TWC and Comcast needs to jump in and we'll have a Royal Rumble. 
My personal opinion is that if the cable companies roll this out over the existing infrastructure, FiOS just might have the rug pulled out from under them. I mean, really - FiOS advertises like they are everywhere but so many of us are not in "select areas". You wouldn't know it from the FiOS NYC "launch" last week. | |
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| committed to higher speed, lower cost service offerings? both comcast and time warner already have equipment in the field and moved beyond field tests (and either have or are about to have residential service offerings within the next few months). cablevision is behind other MSOs in getting a residential service offering, however knowing cablevision.. they don't offer services to part of their network.. generally they throw the switch on the majority of their footprint, or not at all.. so they have to play catch-up before Verizon comes in and replaces residential ONT's with GPONS making 4x bandwidth possible.
** One caveat; The current economic environment IMO won't support high priced internet services. Unless they can bring costs WAY, WAY down (dare I say price war) actual benefits to the consumer will be minimal for another couple of years. Though, it would be a bright spot in an otherwise dark economic picture. | |
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join:2001-08-16
Cranberry Twp, PA | Re: committed to higher speed, lower cost service offerings? For what they offer compared to other cable companies, CV is one of the best. I get 10/512 with TW for the same Price i could get boost in NY. And i live in a lower cost of living state | |
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join:2006-01-21
Old Bethpage, NY | Re: committed to higher speed, lower cost service offerings? they will most likely be using a new Scientific Atlanta docsis modem or the new Motorola 6 series modems which no longer look ugly! | |
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| | | BUt unlike the others cablevision upgraded to docsis 2 and offered the boost 30/5 package which comcast just started offering a similiar package with docsis 2. | |
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join:2006-01-24
New Albany, IN
1 edit | What's the Cable Modem? Does anyone know which cable modem is being used? | |
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| | about time... but... About time... now here comes the wait until the new speeds are affordable, heh.
Right now I just have the regular server, no boost. 15/2 is certainly livable. I'd really like more upload in reality. Maybe I'm cheap, but boost doesn't give quite the boost I'm looking for to justify the extra cash.
I would be happy to throw down an extra $15 on 20/20 or 50/5 or something like that.
Ideally, I like to hope that DOCSIS 3.0 will bring something bigger to the table. I wonder how long it is to 50/50 or faster lines at a sane price? | |
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| | you gotta give cablevision credit They're the only company out there who competes fully with Fios. Comcrap has it's pahetic "powerboost" which quite frankly doesn't even come close! Time Warner is just as pathetic and overpriced in NYC! It will be years before Cablevision has to worry about Verizon. The day fios becomes available to Starrett City and Co-Op city residents, thats when Cablevision should be $hitting bricks but that wont happen for a good 20 years | |
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| | you definitely do I switched back to CV with boost from FIOS 20/20. For me, the extra 15 Mbit up was not worth the price. It was $70 a month for 20/20 and CV gave me boost for free with my $90 triple play. I honestly do not notice a difference and I get well over 25-30 down and 4+ up at all times. In the end it comes down to price and FIOS was just too expensive for what I got. Plus I hated that darn Actiontec router.
CV is taking on FIOS head to head and they are willing to discount the heck out of their services to keep you if you ask. Gotta respect that. | |
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