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|  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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kudos:4 | said by swintec:Some lawyers trying to make a name for themselves are they? In many disputes like this only the scum lawyers actually make out like bandits. US productivity and competiveness in the world economy has been tremendously harmed by our civil legal system that adds unnecessary costs to every single thing we produce.
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| | | | Re: Idiots... said by Romney2012:said by swintec:Some lawyers trying to make a name for themselves are they? In many disputes like this only the scum lawyers actually make out like bandits. US productivity and competiveness in the world economy has been tremendously harmed by our civil legal system that adds unnecessary costs to every single thing we produce. Of course it has nothing to do with scum CEOs, scum politicians and scum "give it to me now" shareholders...  | |
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| said by Romney2012:said by swintec:Some lawyers trying to make a name for themselves are they? In many disputes like this only the scum lawyers actually make out like bandits. US productivity and competiveness in the world economy has been tremendously harmed by our civil legal system that adds unnecessary costs to every single thing we produce. I can't believe we actually agree on something. I think the Ghost Busters just crossed streams. | |
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The lawsuit was brought by the National Association of Vulpes vulpes (NAVV) in New York Federal Court claim, in their one hundred sixty-eight page complaint, that Rupert Murdoch's empire uses the name "Fox" without permission, is libelous and asks for an injunction pending litigation.
"Unlike other uses of the name 'Fox'", said attorney Darren Fox for the NAVV. "This usage was meant to capitalize solely on their God-given and scientific given name. Fox is a trademark of the NAVV. Also, the NAVV would never have denied Cablevision customers the World Series. It is not in their nature."
PETA said they supported the lawsuit stating, "It is time corporations stop portraying animals as pariahs in society then using them as logos to satisfy their greed and inhumane ambitions." Actress Megan Fox said she would pose nude for a PETA ad against the Fox networks and Murdoch.
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| mere fraction.. fox and my9 only account for less than 30% of the typical broadcast network lineup. broacast basic is typically no more than $15 per month tops. $4.50 for both channels or $2.25 each because it includes a set-top or basic digital converter.. take that out and your looking at between $1 and $1.50 per channel. | |
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| | | Re: mere fraction.. said by tmc8080:fox and my9 only account for less than 30% of the typical broadcast network lineup. broacast basic is typically no more than $15 per month tops. $4.50 for both channels or $2.25 each because it includes a set-top or basic digital converter.. take that out and your looking at between $1 and $1.50 per channel. This is more than just Fox 5 and My9. Other channels are involved in the dispute as well. | |
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@comcast.net | not right cablevision They have a right to sue. Cablevision is still charging costumers for channels that are not available, as you see the are pocketing the money charge for these channels and don't have the courtesy of offering refunds to its costumers | |
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kudos:1 | Re: not right cablevision Are you locked into a contract? Does Cablevision guarantee in a contract that you shall have channel X? So why they should offer a discount? If a restaurant had a prix fixe menu, will you demand they lower the price because they took your favorite item off the menu? | |
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| | | | Re: not right cablevision said by patcat88:Are you locked into a contract? Does Cablevision guarantee in a contract that you shall have channel X? So why they should offer a discount? If a restaurant had a prix fixe menu, will you demand they lower the price because they took your favorite item off the menu? Cable companies are claiming that paying for channels is what drives rate hikes.
So isn't it logical that if one or more channels are dropped off that the rates should go down a bit?
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| said by patcat88:Are you locked into a contract? Does Cablevision guarantee in a contract that you shall have channel X? So why they should offer a discount? If a restaurant had a prix fixe menu, will you demand they lower the price because they took your favorite item off the menu? If you got to look at the menu prior to the seating at the restaurant (ala channel lineups), then no. If after you ordered and all that you didn't get what was on the menu, you certainly should get a refund, at least partially.
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| | | | Re: not right cablevision I thought this too, they don't guarantee any channels do they? I mean unless you're paying for a Premium like HBO, then I think you'd be entitled to a refund if they dropped it mid-month and you already paid. | |
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Also what is to stop Cablevision from sending people Fox5 WNYW? if its broadcast OTA than could CV just not use an antenna at their main reception centers and bypass any encryption from sats?
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kudos:4 | Re: Could a court force rebroadcast? said by Kearnstd:just something to wonder though. can a court force Fox to allow transmission of their channels without payment? No. But let's not lose sight of a simple fact here. If a court forces retransmission of Fox channels BEFORE a new settlement is reached, Fox would still get the existing fee in the old contract $75 million per year instead of the $150 million they want.
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kudos:1 | said by Kearnstd:Also what is to stop Cablevision from sending people Fox5 WNYW? if its broadcast OTA than could CV just not use an antenna at their main reception centers and bypass any encryption from sats? Just like the RIAA and its policy that you can't play a FM radio in public place. The "free" signal isn't unconditionally free. | |
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| said by Kearnstd:Also what is to stop Cablevision from sending people Fox5 WNYW? if its broadcast OTA than could CV just not use an antenna at their main reception centers and bypass any encryption from sats? No. They need retransmission consent. Fox can either force Cablevision to carry their OTA by not charging for the station(s), or charge a fee in which case Cablevision can refuse to carry it. For any non-OTA stations such as sports networks, Fox News, etc, a transmission agreement needs to be met and there is no must-carry rules but they are often bundled together in an all-or-none package. | |
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Also, cablevision and the other cable companies do use antennas. They also have a fiber feed from master control in Secaucus. They don't receive local stations via satellite. | |
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How on earth is getting the news a right. Sure freedom of the press, but a hundred years ago, the news got to you when it got to you and people lived perhaps a better life. | |
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| | | Re: ROFL Distinctive, haha.. Probably not the choice word I would have used to describe Faux News (hence my avatar). | |
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| Re: ROFL well more and more contracts come up for renew by Nov. 1st. Fox has been running the ad on NatGEO on the Cleveland WOW System but doesn't give any names except you could lose Fox Channels. Let Fox piss off any more carriers- Comcast, WOW, Charter, any of the big boys- besides TWC- as we all know TWC will pay anything to the content owners. Fox will be screwed in the end.
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1 edit | Re: Wait a Second said by buzz_4_20:Since when is Hulu a pirated stream? I guess when your cable company\ISP stops broadcasting content they(hulu) carry. | |
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1 edit | Re: Wait a Second said by slckusr:said by buzz_4_20:Since when is Hulu a pirated stream? I guess when your cable company\ISP stops broadcasting content they(hulu) carry. Nothing a little VPN work can't solve.
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kudos:2 | It's no surprise why Politicians are scum.. Majority of politicians are lawyers.. and lawyers are scum. | |
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| | | Re: It's no surprise why Politicians are scum.. Lawyers are scum?
Yes, there are perhaps some lawyers who abuse the system by using the system against a laws original intent.. But who else are you going to have represent you if you are wrongly convicted of a crime? Someone who reads laws, and learns it's written intent to perhaps represent a client.. or... write a bill to protect the citizenry from crimes... there isn't really an alternative. Seems like a pretty blanket statement to me.
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kudos:2 | Re: It's no surprise why Politicians are scum.. Actually, I just wanted to remind everyone that Politicans are scum..  | |
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| Re: It's no surprise why Politicians are scum.. you must not know that Lawyers aren't scum due to they don't practice law. In the United States a lawyer is a person who as a JD degree. Many doctors are just that. a lawyer. If you wish to practice law you must take the BAR Exam for the state(s) you wish to practice in and then you become an attorney.
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| Lawsuit is Ridiculous Fox is not only blocking retransmission of their content to Cablevision but also at least Dish.
I have Dish and am not getting any Fox-provided content and on Nov. 1, I could lose all the other Fox stations too as that contract is up as well.
This is just a money grab by lawyers who are using this situation and subscribers who want to blame someone for their loss of channel.
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| Time for A la carte The judge needs to rule that those CV customers that desire to keep Fox pay for the rate increase, and force CV to offer it A la carte as many on this site have been asking to happen.
Those that can get Fox OTA will tell both to stick it and those that might be able to get it will figure out or pay someone to get Fox OTA. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Time for A la carte Its not the cable companys that dictate channel count, that's 100% the content providers doing ( forced bundling ). | |
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| can't happen. courts do not have the right to dictate the business of private companies. nobody can force this. the cable companies are free to drop any channel they wish and add any channel they wish. and if you want a local channel and can't get it from X provider; your able to get it via OTA.
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| | | | Re: Time for A la carte said by hottboiinnc:can't happen. courts do not have the right to dictate the business of private companies. nobody can force this. the cable companies are free to drop any channel they wish and add any channel they wish. and if you want a local channel and can't get it from X provider; your able to get it via OTA. actually, cable companies WHERE mandated to carry all the local channels,(must carry) and broadcasters where NOT allowed to charge the cable companies for retransmission!. it was the cable CO's fault that got changed from "MUST carry". they didn't want to carry all the local channels, just the one's their customers wanted. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Must-carry also, you'll find the courts DO dictate the business of other private companies too.. imagine drug manufacturers without regulations!. and many other types of businesses too.. | |
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| | What does Fox News have to do with it? Let me get this straight. CV customers are suing because they can't watch Fox News even though they still get Fox News because it's not part of the disputed channels. They've managed to create some alternate reality where liberals have taken Fox News away on election night eve. In what universe is this the case?
Even though that sounds crazy to the average sentient being, I have to admit it's as logical as anything else I've seen on Fox News. | |
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Let me get this straight. CV customers are suing Not quite, class action lawsuits are a scam created by lawyers to increase their profits. If CV were to lose this lawsuit then each CV customer would get $5 and the lawyers would get $150 million.
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I agree let FOX become a Premium Tier with all channels they bundle like HBO. Then Fox can charge what ever they want.
Fox has got to pay for all the Republican Presidential Candidates they have on the payroll until they announce they are in the race. | |
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| | | Re: Fox may win then lose said by WhatNow:I agree let FOX become a Premium Tier with all channels they bundle like HBO. Then Fox can charge what ever they want. Can't happen. Locals must be carried in the clear.
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kudos:1 | Re: There used to be an old saying.... Become a real estate developer. Collect you fee, project tanks or runs out of money, not your problem. Limited Liability FTW! | |
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the distributer drops you because you are a scumbag and trying to double your rate.. so you sue them. | |
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I am sure FIOS, Dish and DirectTV customers are Happy Fox didn't agree to those demands.
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| | DISH Well Fox came to agreement with DISH which includes all of their Fox Sports channels, Nat Geo, FX and local channels. FS Midwest tweeted it. Cablevision is the enemy folks. Sure Fox wants more money but if they are getting it from everyone else what makes Cablevision so special to not have to pay up. They've got the World Series, half the NFL games and all the local sports content through Fox Sports channels. To me, they've got a lot more of what I want to watch than say ESPN ever carries. They command a premium due to their content. Cablevision is going to have to pony up. | |
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kudos:4 |  Fox Cablevision reach a deal
NEW YORK (AP)—Fox says it has reached an agreement with Cablevision that will restore programing to more than 3 million New York-area subscribers.
In a statement released Saturday, Fox says signals for all stations and cable channels were restored prior to the first pitch of Game 3 of the World Series.
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"Cablevision has agreed to pay Fox an unfair price for multiple channels of its programming including many in which our customers have little or no interest," the cable operator said in an emailed statement. "Cablevision conceded because it does not think its customers should any longer be denied the Fox programs they wish to see."
The agreement covers Fox 5 and My9 in New York, Fox 29 in Philadelphia and the cable channels Fox Deportes, Fox Business Network, and Nat Geo Wild.
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In a statement released Saturday, Fox says signals for all stations and cable channels were restored prior to the first pitch of Game 3 of the World Series.
» online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142···986.html"Cablevision has agreed to pay Fox an unfair price for multiple channels of its programming including many in which our customers have little or no interest," the cable operator said in an emailed statement. "Cablevision conceded because it does not think its customers should any longer be denied the Fox programs they wish to see."
The agreement covers Fox 5 and My9 in New York, Fox 29 in Philadelphia and the cable channels Fox Deportes, Fox Business Network, and Nat Geo Wild.
now this is really stupid, now the other networks are going to get jealous of the money FOX is getting, and want the SAME. now you're talking a BIG hike in the bill!. | |
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