  enOehTPremium
join:2003-05-17
Langhorne, PA | Won't Fly People want DVRs, they want control of what they record and when. | |
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join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL | Re: Won't Fly It is the future. Lower TCO for both the CableCo, and the end user.
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| Re: Won't Fly Plus it locks them into that provider. If they switch they must get a new device.
Also, all of what you record stored on a cable company controlled box? You would not think that they may gather any sort of numbers on what you watch? Just think of some of your favorite TV channels eliminated because nobody was recording any shows on that channel. | |
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| | | Greg_ZPremium
join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL | Re: Won't Fly More like elimination of the lessor watched channels that nobody watches.
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| | | |  RR ConductorHappy 40th AmtrakPremium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
kudos:1 | Re: Won't Fly If nobody watches them, then how can they be "lessor watched"? | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Won't Fly Consumers will go where they can get the best deal. If DVR set top boxes offer the most customizable features and satellite companies or other cable companies offer more features for less money then the consumer will flock to them. The cable companies would be better off controlling these things in the set top boxes that they offer or simply offer the better set top boxes for more money if people want to skip the commercials. | |
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|  yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | I'm hip to this idea. You already can't record VOD, but that's okay with me. Anything that reduces the number of devices in my living room is a good thing.
Of course, if they still stick me with the bulk of a set-top box I won't be happy. I realize some sort of module will be needed, but please make it small.
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| | RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Re: Won't Fly said by yock:I'm hip to this idea. You already can't record VOD Hmmm...I record VOD all the time, but not with Comcast's DVR. TiVo and a programmable remote with macro capability makes it a one-button affair.  Then burn to DVD on the same box. Life is good. | |
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join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | Re: Won't Fly said by RadioDoc:said by yock:I'm hip to this idea. You already can't record VOD Hmmm...I record VOD all the time, but not with Comcast's DVR. TiVo and a programmable remote with macro capability makes it a one-button affair. Then burn to DVD on the same box. Life is good. Yeah, I'm poor =) I use TWC's DVR because I don't have the cash for a Tivo.
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| | | | RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Re: Won't Fly Ack...sorry I misread your other post. You mean you can't record VOD on the TWC box. | |
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join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | um, I record VOD with Cox. Your TW stuff must really suck. | |
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join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | Re: Won't Fly said by inteller:um, I record VOD with Cox. Your TW stuff must really suck. It doesn't "suck" they just disable the record function for premium VOD. As I said before, it doesn't really bug me.
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join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: Won't Fly that is crap. I hope I never move to a TW area. | |
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join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | Re: Won't Fly It would be akin to duplicating rental movies. Need you be reminded that isn't legal? | |
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| | | | | You can't record VOD with the COX DVR. Maybe with Tivo, but not with the cox DVR. | |
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join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: Won't Fly well, the recorded Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow on my DVR begs to differ. | |
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| | xirianPremium
join:2003-01-26
Beacon, NY
kudos:1 | said by yock:Of course, if they still stick me with the bulk of a set-top box I won't be happy. I realize some sort of module will be needed, but please make it small. How do you expect to be able to use the dvr service without the cable box? Does your tv do video on demand / interactive tv over cable by itself? | |
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join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | Re: Won't Fly said by xirian:said by yock:Of course, if they still stick me with the bulk of a set-top box I won't be happy. I realize some sort of module will be needed, but please make it small. How do you expect to be able to use the dvr service without the cable box? Does your tv do video on demand / interactive tv over cable by itself? I don't think you read the second part of the statement you quoted.
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| | | | xirianPremium
join:2003-01-26
Beacon, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Won't Fly said by yock:said by xirian:said by yock:Of course, if they still stick me with the bulk of a set-top box I won't be happy. I realize some sort of module will be needed, but please make it small. How do you expect to be able to use the dvr service without the cable box? Does your tv do video on demand / interactive tv over cable by itself? I don't think you read the second part of the statement you quoted. nope sorry didnt, but still, what else besides a cable box do you think they would give you? Its most likely just an on demand channel. that is the point, to not need to give out new boxes, instead use the same digital ones. | |
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| | | Its the VOD, people... verizon is banking on the the some flavor of VOD will be a viable service, ie massive video 'rentals' for a service fee (ie easier than scouring the vast internet for the copyright violation versions at poorer quality) The cablecompanies hope to move into a more interactive vod with a broadband connection for viewing and server based storage-streaming which is closer to what people want rather than channel based vod (shows on a particular cable channel, ie soproanos for hbo, etc...)
This will cause some consolidation on various premium channels by causing people to think if they really wanna buy so many movie 'broadcast channels' or pay less than 1/3 the price of all you can eat streaming vod, stored remotely on server "storage farms" available 24/7 on your schedule, no the broadcast companies. These channels will have to compete for those dollars, who knows maybe some relaity tv on those channels too, hahahahahhaa!! | |
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 oliphantI Have 8 BoobiesPremium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | No FF=Few DVR buyers If TiVo wanted a savior this is it. A massive move toward this type of setup will quickly revive the 3rd party DVR market single handedly.
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|  DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1 | Re: No FF=Few DVR buyers I agree that whole purpose of a DVR/VCR is FF, and the ability to control what you are watching, i bet when you hit pause of this new system, there will be an ads. Hello Tivo/Replay with your digital DVR ??? | |
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 jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA | Bandwidth Issue Great news for TIVO. Looks like the video capture devices will also be rolling in the money if the conveniences of the video recorders stop being so convenient. | |
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| | | Re: Bandwidth Issue With cable CO's saying they can't add new channels due to bandwidth problems how would this do anything but chew up even more bandwidth. What a waste IMHO. | |
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| just what I wanted "...though they'll be disabling any fast-forward ability to placate the TV industry and advertisers."
You know, I just woke up this morning and thought "wouldn't it be great if my cable company offered me a product with less functionality?"
this is just swell! | |
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|  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 | Re: just what I wanted Yeah right!! I was looking for just the thing that would help me see all those commercials. I mean FF on my DVR is a feature I have been begging Comcast to remove. {/sarcasm} | |
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| | | | Re: just what I wanted Without FF, this idea is totally DOA. What idiot is thinking this stuff up?? I can't believe that they are actually spending money on it. But hey, they will just jam another price increase down our throats so it really doesn't cost them a thing. | |
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join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | Re: just what I wanted said by griff1013:Without FF, this idea is totally DOA. The consumer won't decide if it's DOA or not. You simply won't have an option ... They'll call you and tell you that your DVR needs replaced and to schedule a "pickup" or drop it off. They'll also tell you that your DVR will stop working after some date... | |
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
kudos:1 | Re: just what I wanted And that is when the consumer can say "No thanks, I'm getting DirecTV"
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| | | | |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: just what I wanted said by djrobx:And that is when the consumer can say "No thanks, I'm getting DirecTV" -- Rob Unless they live in an apartment complex.  | |
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 tomkbPremium
join:2000-11-15
Tampa, FL
kudos:5 | how come Hasn't a vcr been invented yet with a cheap 300gig hard-drive?
I'm not talking tivo where you pay a monthly subsription, I mean just a vcr with a hard drive? | |
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 maartenaElmoPremium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1
·AT&T U-Verse
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| Media Center PC's Media Center PC's are the magic word. Depending on how much you want to spend on them you can build one for $500 (single tuner TV card, analog only) to $2000 (the works, double tuner digital card, mucho drivespace, dvd burner)
And you have full control over what you record. Remotes can be bought for $50.
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| | | Re: Media Center PC's can you point me in the direction of a good $50 remote? I am currently using a wireless mouse and keyboard (the second I have purchased)-- they don't seem to be able to make one that can work with a range of more than 6-7' | |
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| | | | Re: Media Center PC's tiger direct has the Windows Meida Center OS and remote on their site its about $179. | |
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| | | | | Re: Media Center PC's For less that $2000, I put together a Media Center PC that does everything you could want to do with a TV show (record, edit commercials, burn to DVD/divX/MPEG). It also plays all my PC games on my TV.
Specs here
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| | Who's the customer, anyway? Is it the subscriber who pays the bill, or the entertainment industry? The industry certainly likes the idea, but then again, they don't fork over the monthly fee.
Too bad the sheeple will probably follow Big Cable and buy the new service.
Cable providers don't care if users grumble. All they see are dollar signs. They understand only when people vote with their wallets. | |
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| | | "Sheeple" --- LOL I'll just stick with the Internet thank you, but no thank you | |
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| | Announcements like this... Are the one satisfying thing about Cox: They don't buy into the status quo very often. They're keeping DVR because they know people want it. Hell, I could theoretically record a PPV if I wanted, or a VOD - I just have to 'trick' the box a little. | |
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| | | Re: Why? i agree with u on that one next they will faze out setop boxes all together. its coming Remmer cable card they will fu** it up sooner or later | |
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 thender2Glamour ProfessionPremium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY | Oh, the possibilities.. quote:
though they'll be disabling any fast-forward ability to placate the TV industry and advertisers.
I stopped renting DVDs and moved to usenet after seeing two DVDs in a row with 10+ minutes of advertizing in the beginning that I could not fast forward through.
If I'm paying for it, then why are there ads?
This is why putting control in their hands is bad - they will decide what is best for you, even if you're giving them money.
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| DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: Oh, the possibilities.. Because they can, People really need to stop buying and start return this styuff, i have a dvd that has 5 mins of commericals in the begging, and cannot be skipped. I decided i would not buy from that company again. They need to invent a DVD player that doesnt accept commands from a DVD. Amazing how people give up freedoms and never say anything. | |
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| |  insomniacOh YeahPremium
join:2002-09-22
Naperville, IL
·Comcast
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| Re: Oh, the possibilities.. I haven't seen a DVD where I can't use the menu, chapter or fast-forward buttons to skip the commercials/previews. What companies/studios are doing this? I'd love to see someone make a Web site with a list of DVDs that have this "feature."
Problem is, the only real option is for people to stop buying DVDs from a particular studio, and not many people are going to do it. And returning a non-defective opened movie is impossible at any major retailer.
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| | Very stupid decision on CV and TWC's part Eliminating the fast forward function is absolutely stupid. I'd like to see how many people sign up for that service. All they'll do with this idea is drive up Tivo sales and Tivo stock value.
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| | Just what I need Great, a centrally managed cesspool completely out of my control that gives me no control over anything I want to record and displays more ads. Way to go cable companies! ::runs out to buy a few VCR's for safe keeping:: | |
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|  PhoenixDown-- Wants FIOSPremium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Just what I need You hit the nail on the head... the more we limit techonology, the less it will progress and in some cases, we'll even revert.
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| |  Chris 313Come get somePremium
join:2004-07-18
Houma, LA
·AT&T U-Verse
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| Re: Just what I need said by PhoenixDown:You hit the nail on the head... the more we limit techonology, the less it will progress and in some cases, we'll even revert. I agree with your comment to revert completely. If this service actually takes off and you can't FF what you are watching I'm gonna get my hands on a Tivo or a DVD Recorder and drop my DVR-VOD service if it it ends up being like the article says. | |
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hedyd4uPremium
join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY Reviews:
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| No fast-forward what will be next? Plain and simple anyone who buys into this idea has no concern for freedom. Buy a product to elimanate all your control. If I can't fast-forward past comercials there is no point to recording TV.
Next they will give you extra commercials. Then charge you a monthly fee to have the fast-forward feature enabled. | |
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| | Correct me if I am wrong but... doesn't this sound more like "enhanced" VOD or PPV?? Not a PVR/tivo solution.
Come on! Work on making your networks all digital or something useful.
The reason the parents still have analog family basic is because it costs another $30(or so) on top of the $45 we already spend on it now. We would love to have the nice I-Guide and other extra features but it is so darn much more $$.
Sorry I don't have TW which the article is about. | |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Doubtful Also, this is doubtful.
Time Warner demonstrated a new set top box for me that can go into other rooms of your house and play any DVR'd content from your main DVR box. | |
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| Re: Doubtful Hi
I have a Panasonic DVD Recorder with 80gb hard drive, ever since getting that, and satellite television thru SBC/Dish Network, do have the DVR box from dish network upstairs, and I like the ability to fast forward, pause if I want, record down here to DVD-R or the hard drive for safe keeping, whatever I want to do with it, after I record a show..so I don't know personally if I'd like a cable or satellie company having shows on a centralized server or not. I think I use my Panasonic daily for something or the other. as for my VHS, sure I may record on that sometimes, but not as much as I used to. but if stuff ever goes to centralized server, I may revert back to using VHS tapes. | |
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 VarlikWithout Honor You Will Never Be FreePremium
join:2002-01-06
Anderson, SC | Old Bussiness Standards and Practices No ability to transfer that's crap. So if you switch companies you'll lose all your saved content? Oh wait that's right it isn't our content it's theirs. We haven't paid the right folks the right amount of compensation to use it for our personal entertainment purposes. 
Another example of business executives operating by old business standards and practices trying to deny the changing ways that new technology and consumer demand are creating. Consumers are demanding freedom and options not limits and stipulations.
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