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| T-Mobile? Seems like TMo and CV would be a god fit on this. T-Mobile just has to resurrect their UMA handsets and all systems would be good to go for the service.
I wouldn't be srprised if CV offered "Optimum Mobile" service with unlimited voice minutes on WiFi and 500 minutes (plus unlimited nights and weekends, naturally) for $30-$40 per month. | |
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| Re: T-Mobile? said by iansltx:Seems like TMo and CV would be a god fit on this. T-Mobile just has to resurrect their UMA handsets and all systems would be good to go for the service. I wouldn't be srprised if CV offered "Optimum Mobile" service with unlimited voice minutes on WiFi and 500 minutes (plus unlimited nights and weekends, naturally) for $30-$40 per month. I was thinking AT&T.. but whatever.. it's still cdma either one-- I'd like to be able to get onto a network such as tracfone so you dont' have to get robbed for cell service pricing and be locked into a contract. Tracfone & wifi would be a killer handset!
Also, did I read that right... $100 per subscriber.. and they surcharge you $300 for early adopting docsis 3.0?
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| Re: T-Mobile? I'm not doubting that. However they don't have any UMA capabilities right now, though eventually with WiMAX that'll probably happen.
The "not a telco" thing here is a pro rather than a con; Cablevision likely doesn't want to work with a telco...they're competing against one. | |
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Sprint's IP backbone seems to be moribund. Other than govt contracts, I dont know of any other ISPs or major customers of Sprint IP. Level 3 and ATT (ex-clec) and Verizon business seem to be the most common names in the USA from my personal experience of corporate business internet connections, universities, and non-peering ISPs (until TWC bought Adelphia was and VZW still is, Level 3 only). | |
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| Re: T-Mobile? TWC uses Sprint. Sprint is the power of a good share of their backbone to the internet. and they also power the Digital Phone service across the country.
Sprint was ahead in the MNVO market well before VZ and ATT started to get into it. Well before the customer losses.
What does VZW have to deal with TWC and Sprint? Also TWC and Comcast both took over Adelphia. TWC couldn't take the entire thing with the debt that was included. That's how TWC got some Comcast markets and Comcast got TWC. -- www.two-pugs.com www.twopugsbrand.com | |
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 |  |  Frankis chillingPremium join:2000-11-03 somewhere | said by tmc8080:said by iansltx:Seems like TMo and CV would be a god fit on this. T-Mobile just has to resurrect their UMA handsets and all systems would be good to go for the service. I wouldn't be srprised if CV offered "Optimum Mobile" service with unlimited voice minutes on WiFi and 500 minutes (plus unlimited nights and weekends, naturally) for $30-$40 per month. I was thinking AT&T.. but whatever.. it's still cdma either one-- I'd like to be able to get onto a network such as tracfone so you dont' have to get robbed for cell service pricing and be locked into a contract. Tracfone & wifi would be a killer handset! Also, did I read that right... $100 per subscriber.. and they surcharge you $300 for early adopting docsis 3.0? Hah! Evidence of a ripoff, much? tracfone doesnt have it's own network. -- At first I thought everyone on the highway was drunk but then I realized I was driving in Florida  | |
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 |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | said by iansltx:Seems like TMo and CV would be a god fit on this. T-Mobile just has to resurrect their UMA handsets and all systems would be good to go for the service. I wouldn't be srprised if CV offered "Optimum Mobile" service with unlimited voice minutes on WiFi and 500 minutes (plus unlimited nights and weekends, naturally) for $30-$40 per month. Tmobile offers the newest Blackberry (Bold 9700) with UMA. --
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 |  |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | Re: T-Mobile? Ah that's right, businesses keep UMA, regular plans don't anymore. | |
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 |  |  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: T-Mobile? said by iansltx:Ah that's right, businesses keep UMA, regular plans don't anymore. I think you are confusing two services offered by Tmo. They offer UMA on many phones, for all plan types (business and regular). The service they discontinued (for new users) was Tmobile @ Home, which was different. | |
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 | | Solution in search of a problem My cell phones work perfectly in a far greater area than CV's spotty WiFi coverage area. Why would I want to bother with WiFi? I can go across the continent with my cell phones. | |
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| Re: Solution in search of a problem it's not about replacing the phone. You didn't read what Karl had to say. The phone would work on the WiFi ONLY when near the access point. When it would lose its signal the phone would change back to the cellular network. This would allow CV to offer unlimited voice over their network to THEIR customers. -- www.two-pugs.com www.twopugsbrand.com | |
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| Re: Solution in search of a problem But WHY? If my cell phone works just about everywhere in the US and Canada without roaming, why would I even want to use WiFi hotspots that are so few and far between?
I made a 45 minute call on the way home today, and I guarantee not a single CV WiFi hotspot was on my route. | |
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| Re: Solution in search of a problem WHY? Because most likely CV has a plan for this. Maybe their own cell phone company? or plans? While near an Access Point you can get free unlimited calls on the network. You're not going to get that from TM, ATT, or Sprint. This would also not be roaming. It would just switch between networks.
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1 edit | Re: Solution in search of a problem said by hottboiinnc:WHY? Because most likely CV has a plan for this. Maybe their own cell phone company? I wonder if it will be as successful as their satellite TV company. How many millions did they blow on that?
said by hottboiinnc:While near an Access Point you can get free unlimited calls on the network. They don't even have any access points in my entire town. But Verizon Wireless' Network Operations Center is across the street. I'm in range of 3 cell sites. | |
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1 edit | Re: Solution in search of a problem that NOC is only prolly for your area. Most of their operations is based in Ohio. Especially Customer Service, Billing and Tech Support, for both Wireless and Wireline (which shall be interesting to see VZ move their support center from Ohio to another state- if they do). -- www.two-pugs.com www.twopugsbrand.com | |
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1 edit | Re: Solution in search of a problem And their main customer support centers (VZ and VZW) are based in Ohio. The page says only where they monitor the cell sites at. Their massive Centers could be located else where and they would. Any company that size will NEVER tell you where they're NOCs are at. And only having 2 of them? I don't think so. Esepcially for a network of that size. -- www.two-pugs.com www.twopugsbrand.com | |
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2 edits | Re: Solution in search of a problem Their NOC is in Bedminster. They've never hid that, and they've published photos on their web site. I know people who work there.
And you want to know where AT&T's NOC is? It's also in Bedminster (on the other side of 287). That's no secret. They've shown it in TV commercials. You've probably even seen it, with the 30 or so flatscreen TVs on the wall. My mother got a tour of the place when she was an AT&T employee. | |
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| said by Bobcat: wonder if it will be as successful as their satellite TV company. How many millions did they blow on that? Bobcat you continue to be uninformed. CV's investors (and many customers) continue to be negative about new deployments of tech that are to their benefit in the long term. The people on CV complain all the time about compression and artifacts on HD. CV's satellite was for ALL HD transmission but the cost and the noise and perhaps lacking a partnership with someone else cause them to sell it off. The CV satellite and the tech that it deployed made it possible for DISH to be alive today and offering all the HD channels they do in better quality and with less compression. It was too advanced at the time, but no one could afford to deploy one now.
I wish you would stop trolling the CV forums. We all know you don't like them and I'm not even sure you have service from them anymore. Do you complain about all the fees and extra charges on your dsl account? -- »www.Warpstock.org
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I'd still be a Cablevision customer if they hadn't raised the price by 50%! | |
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| Re: Solution in search of a problem talk apples to apples.
CV has not raised their OOL rates at all in 6 years.
Verizon has constantly changed pricing, and never lowered prices when they offered a better deal to any grandfathered customer without them asking for it.
Verizon as a telco is subject to additional fees and taxes that cable companies are not subject to. This may change in the future, but it's not now.
SO WHAT F*ing internet cost went up 50%? OH, you're not talking about that, you're talking about your TELEVISION. PUT UP A 100" ANTENNAE and get it for FREE FOREVER -- it's no one's fault that you live in the woods. A very nice section of woods, but far far away from major television transmitters. They just don't want to give it to you for free and they legally made everyone in the Bronx get a box, so why not you? -- »www.Warpstock.org
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| Re: Solution in search of a problem said by Bobcat:Wow, look at this coverage map. Verizon Wireless' map is SOLID RED. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD IT"S NOT THE EQUIVALENT SERVICE AND IT COSTS NOTHING EXTRA TO COMCAST AND OOL CUSTOMERS. -- »www.Warpstock.org
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1 edit | Re: Solution in search of a problem said by majortom1029:Neither verizon nor att has 100 percent coverage in all of the tri state area. I can guarantee that there's no place in NJ that has a CV Wifi signal but doesn't have a VZW signal.
VZW has as close to 100% coverage as you can get. I think there are a few square feet in Stokes State Forest and in the Pine Barrens that don't have coverage. But CV doesn't go anywhere near those areas.
Hell, CV doesn't have a single WiFi site in my town at all.
Again, Verizon covers the whole area, making the CV WiFi useless if you have a cellular/WiFi device. CV WiFi adds nothing. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  MaccawolfPremium join:2001-02-20 Hillsdale, NJ kudos:6 | said by Bobcat:said by majortom1029:Neither verizon nor att has 100 percent coverage in all of the tri state area. I can guarantee that there's no place in NJ that has a CV Wifi signal but doesn't have a VZW signal. I have wifi and have NEVER seen a verizon wifi network. I've seen Comcast, and several other little ones, but never Verizon. (I have cv/ool)
And yes, I know exactly where the CO for Verizon is because I do communications for the MS 100 in Sept, and it always starts and ends there.... (also have a friend who works for ATT across town from them.) -- Mom and Crockett...... I miss you both! | |
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| Re: Solution in search of a problem Yeah that's accurate. Let's talk about Verizon's false promise to bring FIOS to everyone in NJ if the state would change the rules so they didn't have to negotiate with each town and that they weren't cherry picking..... I am surrounded by FIOS, but it will never come to me..... and Verizon's cellular is only 2.5G even on my non-smartphone, I can surf and talk at the same time and have done so. -- »www.Warpstock.org
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| said by Bobcat:Hell, CV doesn't have a single WiFi site in my town at all. Again, Verizon covers the whole area, making the CV WiFi useless if you have a cellular/WiFi device. CV WiFi adds nothing. CV doesn't service the entire state of New Jersey, NY or Connecticut. They can only deploy WIFI where they have existing cable. YOU live on the edge of their coverage. I live in a area where I can get WIFI from my house, all the way into NYC. I can also get 1.5mb service tethered on my cell phone from ATT. So what. Both Verizon and ATT have caps. WIFI that I don't have to pay extra for is pretty nice in my book.
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 |  |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium join:2002-03-03 USA kudos:4 | said by hottboiinnc:it's not about replacing the phone. You didn't read what Karl had to say. The phone would work on the WiFi ONLY when near the access point. When it would lose its signal the phone would change back to the cellular network. This would allow CV to offer unlimited voice over their network to THEIR customers. My Palm Pre already does this. Switching automatically to a WiFi connection when within range of one. So if I was a Cablevision user, I should be able to do this without any special phone to do switching.
Of course, I am talking DATA ONLY switching. The news item doesn't make it clear if they are also talking about a continuous voice call switching back and forth between WiFi and Cell. | |
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| Re: Solution in search of a problem yes but probably using "their" phone or what ever they have in place. They're most likely not going to do it for everyone.
They'll more than likely do data, but from the way the story is worded maybe voice as well. -- www.two-pugs.com www.twopugsbrand.com | |
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 |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | I can help you with your narrow minded thinking if you'd like.. 
... Maybe this service is more designed for those who live in their area/footprint and want to have more mobility between their home and they're daily use. Further, when you're not on their "spotty WiFi coverage" you have the good old fashion cellular network... (Notice the emphasis on being able to hand off between wifi and cellular networks??)
So in short, maybe this service wouldn't be the best for YOU.
People make the same arguments about providers like MetroPCS who's business model is largely on, oh wait, THE METRO in which they serve?? Meaning yea, people complain that they only cover you in the cities it serves and roaming is expensive.. but the point of providers like MetroPCS who started with Flat Rate service for $40 a month wasn't for you to have a cell phone that you could use all over the country.. it was designed to give you service in your home city which they served... in other words, the service wasn't for everyone.
But besides that, in this case, I don't think you're readying because the service allows you to use a cellular network when you're not on a WiFi.. and while you are on a WiFi, you don't HAVE to use the cellular network... pretty cool, huh?  | |
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 frogli join:2003-10-12 Yaphank, NY | Carrier I have heard they will be using AT&T and T-mobile. | |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ | what's new? I have wi-fi skype phones and my winmo phone can do skype over wifi/3g. | |
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 | | WIFI phones i've had t-mo hotspot@home phone service from the get go. it rocks.
my only sniglet is, no UMA android devices but, there's a getaround for that now too.
blackberries work awesomely on UMA as well.
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