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Cablevision, Verizon DVR Feud Masks Soaring Prices
by Karl Bode 08:30AM Tuesday Apr 08 2014 Tipped by matcarl See Profile
Cablevision appears to have responded to Verizon's new Quantum TV DVRs, which can record twelve programs at once. According to Cablevision, they've upgraded their network-storage DVR so that it now records a whopping fifteen programs at the same time. The upgrade should be made available immediately for Cablevision customers.

It would be much more welcoming to see these two companies duke it out over price as opposed to improvements with niche appeal, though that's been happening less and less over the last few years. Both companies, tired of seriously competing with one another, have been dramatically cutting back on price promotions in recent years and shifted their focus to price hikes. That you can now record six-hundred-and-seventy-two programs simultaneously is apparently supposed to distract you from this fact.

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dvd536
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Why do you keep saying 12?

when the VZ server box only does 6?
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dm145

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Re: Why do you keep saying 12?

Because they are offering a config that support 12 shows at once using two DVRs
6+6=12

Thinkdiff
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I agree. Marketing at its "finest".

With that logic, TiVo sells 36, 42, 48, ... tuner DVR service.
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BiggA
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Re: Why do you keep saying 12?

Limited to 60 tuners... 10 boxes at 6 tuners each...

Thinkdiff
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Re: Why do you keep saying 12?

Good point, forgot about the 10 DVR limit.

So where were the headlines, "TiVo announces 60 tuner DVR service?"
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BiggA
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Re: Why do you keep saying 12?

lol. And with a few software changes to the way they manage accounts, they could scale to even more... It's not one schedule though, so it's kind of cheating...

mack1951
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How many do you really need?

I can't find 15 shows in a week that I would record. 15 at once or 12 at once if your recording that much you really need to get out more often.
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ITALIAN926

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Re: How many do you really need?

quote:
they've upgraded their network-storage DVR so that it now records a whopping fifteen programs at the same time.
LMFAO Seriously, WHO CARES? .005% of TV subscribers? Its an extremely rare occasion there are more than 3 things on at the same time in my household of 4.

Way to go Cablevision lol High Five.
elefante72

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I thought my HDHR with 3 tuners was overkill. In any case if you look at the new VMS, these boxes cost dramatically less to deploy and acquire (think a Roku), but yet they are charging almost as much as the old environment and could be more (depending upon situation).

In my case Verizon gets $5 (which is a rip for a $40 card BTW) and I buy my own equipment for WAY less than any of these leases cost, and I throw in Rokus which offer all of the OTT services.

IMHO these are the last hardware "wars" because the next generation will be in the cloud using the "overburdened" networks that they must "cap".

And of course when they move into the cloud, you won't see those savings either, even through AGAIN their costs will go dramatically down.

Even Apple's latest devices can be had for good discounts, and theses guys keep taking hardware where the costs are going down, and jack the prices up under the "mask" of 6 tuners which a vast majority will never use, sort of like bundling 150 channels I will never use either.

I am amazed how cable survives in an environment where technology should have blown them up 5 years ago. They just keep raising prices just like college...
JackBauer

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Re: How many do you really need?

I'm not pleased with the pricing on VZ's new DVR - pretty sickening actually.

Has me thinking of other solutions. Last time I looked at the TV tuner cards they needed more work... Great variations on the reviews for each unit. I wonder if any next gen products are coming out?
crgauth

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Re: How many do you really need?

You get more functionality with the new set up. More tuners for recording, more storage space, the ability to rewind and pause from any STB.
And when they add the update to allow streaming to a device, I am guessing they won't raise the price.

Eddy120876

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15 shows but only in one box if the rest are not DVR

So in the End Fios still a better option than Craptium. Where I can only watch what I record in one box the rest can't see it because they are not DVR's.

Thinkdiff
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Re: 15 shows but only in one box if the rest are not DVR

Multi-room DVR service works on all STBs, not just DVRs.

The standard config is to use only regular STBs.
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Eddy120876

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Re: 15 shows but only in one box if the rest are not DVR

Thanks for the information. I did some digging and i can do it but is not free . =(

Thinkdiff
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Re: 15 shows but only in one box if the rest are not DVR

FWIW, not free with FiOS, either.

Multi-room DVR service is $7/month if you already have one DVR w/ CV.
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Eddy120876

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Re: 15 shows but only in one box if the rest are not DVR

Im paying 10.95 for single DVR

Thinkdiff
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Re: 15 shows but only in one box if the rest are not DVR

Right, so to add the MRDVR service would be an extra $7 and it'll work on all of your boxes.

Or you can switch the DVR to a regular STB and MR is 12.95.
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Eddy120876

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Re: 15 shows but only in one box if the rest are not DVR

so that will be a total of 17 bucks
BiggA
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lol'ed

I lol'ed at this story. It is a pretty ridiculous race to nowhere. For Cablevision, it's probably just a software setting somewhere, as IIRC, they have to have separate storage piles for each user, but they probably de-modulate everything (or grab it before it's even modulated) onto a gigabit IP-multicast network to distribute it to each users storage, so that they can effectively just make as many tuners as they want.
rradina

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Re: lol'ed

Do they really have to have separate storage for each user? Dish's new OTT offering claims to offer an "8 day" replay feature that records every channel in your package and keeps it for 8-days. How in the heck are they doing that for every customer if they aren't storing it once and pointing folks to the same copy. I think that goes against the network DVR legal precedence but it makes so damn little sense to have a separate copy for everyone. Even if it starts out that way, storage deduplication would end up pointing everyone to the same virtual copy. I guess they have to shut that off too.
crgauth

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Re: lol'ed

I don't believe they record every channel. Ads I have heard say they record every network channel (ie NBC, CBS, FOX, etc).
BiggA
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IIRC, they have to in order to make it legal. Kind of like Aereo technically, although on the content side, it's all one feed, since they have carriage agreements.

There's a major disconnect in that logic. Satellite can't do VOD because it's a single national feed, there's no cable or IPTV system to do VOD streams, so it HAS to be done locally. It's also the big four, NOT every channel. DISH's PTAT uses a single tuner that picks up all four networks (since they are arranged on the same TP in markets that support PTAT specially for PTAT), and it a chunk of the 2TB drive for PTAT, basically recording Prime Time every day. If Prime Time ends up being 3 hours (I'm not sure exactly what it records or doesn't...) on 4 channels, that's 12 hours a day. With MPEG-4 compression, that's around 3-4GB/hour, so conservatively, that's 48GB/day. For 8 days, that's about 400GB. With 2TB, there's still 1.6TB left for user recordings. I think they got rid of the movie VOD thing that the 922's had, which was similar in technical implementation, but one tuner at a time if nothing else was scheduled, and then it kept them encrypted until you paid for them...

In CableVision's case, although combining copies for some popular shows for short periods of time would cut WAY down on the storage requirements, for more obscure stuff, it wouldn't do much at all.