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Stop All The Downloadin
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| why is MS to blame? How did MS deny anybody the right to uninstall Excel and use OpenOffice? I'm not seeing what they actually did wrong in this. Was there some sort of contract where these agencies were required to buy Microsoft products?
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| Funny how almost every state in the US puts down California. Why? cuz they are just jealous of what California has they are just a bunch of redneck freaks that marry there sisters and brothers. | |
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join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA | Re: why is MS to blame? Umm the Mid-Atlantic region has more class in their right pinkie than the entire state of California has.
It's legal to marry your first cousin in CA BTW. | |
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Funny how almost every state in the US puts down California. Why? cuz they are just jealous of what California has they are just a bunch of redneck freaks that marry there sisters and brothers.
We are also jealous of the school system there. Your use of the English language is light years ahead of us redeck freaks. Oh, and FYI....it's our cousins we marry, not our brothers or sisters.
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Tulsa, OK | Re: why is MS to blame? It probably has something to do with the Licensing agreements on upgrading, forced obsolence and the like.
We don't have enough information here to really tell, but I'd doubt it's *frivolous*. | |
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Newport News, VA | Yeah, we are all jealous that we aren't the number one contributor of the national debt. | |
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javaMan
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San Luis Obispo, CA
| said by Neil :
How did MS deny anybody the right to uninstall Excel and use OpenOffice? I'm not seeing what they actually did wrong in this. Was there some sort of contract where these agencies were required to buy Microsoft products?
There isn't any information I saw that said one way or the other. I can't see how they have a case unless there was something in their agreements that required something like this.
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| Re: why is MS to blame? said by javaMan : said by Neil :
How did MS deny anybody the right to uninstall Excel and use OpenOffice? I'm not seeing what they actually did wrong in this. Was there some sort of contract where these agencies were required to buy Microsoft products?
There isn't any information I saw that said one way or the other. I can't see how they have a case unless there was something in their agreements that required something like this. These cities and counties should be suing the State of California instead of Microsoft. Municipalities and the organizations within them are required to use state-mandated applications for submitting reports, financial accounting, student identification, etc....that are all Windows-based.
The State is forcing these applications upon the users, not Microsoft. | |
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Love it, Hate it.
join:2003-07-10
Baltimore, MD
·Comcast
| I agree I r confused lol, every one hates microsoft tho for there bad os, ohh wait I forgot every other os sucks like 100 times worse its just people like to cry and b:)ch, hell some think microsoft is gready. They are its the truth but so is just about every company it just happens M$ is the the big fish out them all I for one Like the stuff they come out with I would like to see some one else do better but the fact is no one has. | |
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Long Island
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join:2003-10-18
Boise, ID
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| Dumbasses!!! Man No one is forcing you to buy Microsoft products..If you don't like the price go else were..Its just like smokers suing tobacco makers and saying that that smoke is killing me.. Man no one is forcing you to smoke.. Damn people..
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| Re: Dumbasses!!! _______________________________________________________
Man No one is forcing you to buy Microsoft products..
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Other then Windows platform which most people are forced to use because Microsoft has a huge monopoly on computer manufactures. I agree with you that people are not forced to use or buy any other Microsoft product. I myself, would not buy any other Microsoft software because they are way overpriced compared to many third party vendors.
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xpc2600
join:2004-05-14
San Diego, CA | Re: Dumbasses!!! "which most people are forced to use " -- forced my ass
no one is forcing me to use windows, i choose too
the reason i use it because it works all the time
they aren't overpriced, if you want the best you have to pay for it. | |
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Dayton, OH
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"which most people are forced to use " -- forced my ass
no one is forcing me to use windows, i choose too
Please name for me the 10 largest PC manufacturers in nation. How can I acquire a box from them with no OS on it? How many non-Windows clients do they ship annually? What percentage is that of their total shipments.
said by xpc2600 :
the reason i use it because it works all the time
Next you'll tell me that a 9mm slug cures a headache.
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Please name for me the 10 largest PC manufacturers in nation. How can I acquire a box from them with no OS on it? How many non-Windows clients do they ship annually? What percentage is that of their total shipments.
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This actual was my main opinion on the original post. It looks like some people need to put a spin on everything that is written in this forum. You just can't call Dell or Gateway and ask them for a blank hard drive or a computer with Linux. Likewise, you won't get it either from any of the Big-Box electronic stores or China-Mart. It's just not going to happen because Microsoft forces the majority of computer users to use their products.
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Schenectady, NY | You can build your own computer and install your own OS. If your not that bright you use what is available. | |
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You can build your own computer and install your own OS. If your not that bright you use what is available.
I guess you have no idea how hard is work on your own OS. It takes over 5 years and billions lines of code. | |
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Canada | Re: Dumbasses!!! start with a linux or freebsd kernel as your base and build up from there, or get a mac | |
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start with a linux or freebsd kernel as your base and build up from there, or get a mac
Thats much easier.
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antiphishing
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| It would cost a lot more money to build your own computer then buying it directly through Dell or Gateway.
People in the United States are not going spend more money building their own computer when you can buy one directly from a manufacture who will buy hardware and software in very large volumes. This will mean cheaper computers which is what everyone wants in the first place.
Granted ,their are people who build computers for themselves but the majority of computers users are not technically advanced enough to go this route. So it's buy a new computer with Windows installed or build your own and then decide for yourself the platform you want to use.
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jap
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038xx
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| Yes, but like smoking, Windows *is* addictive! It's been proven that rats routinely exposed to the Windows start-up tune & splash screen and then have that stimulus removed loose weight, become fidgety, and suffer drastically reduced socialization skills. MS deliberately cultivated these addictive properties, embedded them into their products in a manner difficult to verify, then actively covered-up and denied so doing. In fact, they continue to bury hooks into the registry that further addicts the user *and* conditions users to loath & fear 3rd-party software that competes with Office, IE, and other MS applications.
For this deception, that clearly originates at the highest level of MS, they are going down, dudes. | |
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join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA | Re: Dumbasses!!!  Nice one. Good humor. | |
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Schenectady, NY | ROFL very nice. | |
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
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| Ok, this is going too far Companies who have been hurt by MS's monopoly tactics I understand. But does this mean I can now sue Microsoft because I want to use their software, but want to pay less than they are asking for it?
There is nothing anti-competitive here, these cities are perfectly "free" to pick other software.
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join:2003-12-24
Phoenixville, PA
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| SUE SUE SUE Everything is SUE SUE SUE over dumm tings that is why the USA going down the tube people are sueing over dumn @hit.
like people sueing mcdonals because the food made them fat
no one told them to eat it everyday
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join:2004-01-27
Charleston, SC | sigh  give me a break! these lawsuits are getting very old. | |
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Joshua
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join:2004-01-04
Phoenix, AZ
| LOL! Sueing Microsoft would just make you have to PAY FOR MORE STUFF, like Lawyers. Gosh, California is getting dumber and dumber, Luckily I moved out of that cruddy, crimefilled state. Why doesnt california just go linux? And No one is forcing you to not uninstall, its right in Add REmove Programs!
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linicx
Caveat Emptor
Premium
join:2002-12-03
United State
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| There is a difference There is a diff between individuals, individual companies and large city governments that depend upon affordable, secure software. It is is much easier for an individual to switch operating systems and learn how to use it than it is to each 5,000 secretaries how to use KDE and Open Office or CLI for that matter.
Gates has milked the fatted calf for years; it is no secret. The question at hand is does the city pay thousands of dollars in user fees to upgrade, or does it go through the pain of switching to Open Source knowing it may be several weeks or even months before the employees are entirely comfortable with a new system and the bugs are worked out of it?
I know what I would do because I have already done it. When it comes to computers and making a trade off, it is never an easy or cheap choice, initially. | |
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jwardl
join:2000-08-12
Spring, TX
| BS!! Typical California liberalism run amok... blame someone else for your own decisions -- especially if there's money in it!
No one forced California to use Windows. They're free to use Linux, Unix, or even OS/X with Macs or Mac clones if they wish.
While it's true the prices of some MS products are out of reach, no one from Microsoft has put a gun in the face of any consumer. If I find a MS product unaffordable, I don't buy it! I buy an alternative that I can afford, use a free version, or do without!
As for California's claim that: "It's anti-competitive, it's predatory, and it denies consumers, and in this case taxpayers, the benefits of innovation that a free marketplace should provide," if anything, MS is responsible for CREATING innovation and helping to make computers as mainstream as they are today. While some of us techno-geeks are happy to work with different types of software and finding solutions to compatibility issues, the general public is not. The average computer user wants PC use to be EASY (i.e. they don't want to be electricians to be able to turn on the overhead light). While Windows is far from perfect, it's created a standard in the marketplace that was sorely needed. Without this, PC's would still be a loose collection of incompatible operating systems and proprietary hardware, keeping prices of all things PC high. If Microsoft hadn't done it, someone else would have had to... then THEY'D be getting sued. | |
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join:2002-12-16
Baltimore, MD
| yes but no The arguement that they can simply install open source software is a good one had they done it years ago. The problem now is that governments have huge infrastuctures and changing all computers that communicate and exchange data, plus hiring people who can administrate the changes and retrain everyone, not to mention hardware conflicts, etc. It's easy to make the change when you have 50, maybe 100 computers. But when you have tens of thousands; pc's, servers, intranets, huge domains, etc, it's not an easy or cost effective task at that point. Then you have to convince the ones who write the checks, which is a whole other issue. Microsoft knows this. And no matter what the outcome of this legal action, Microsoft will still make lots of money. | |
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| Re: yes but no The arguement that they can simply install open source software is a good one had they done it years ago.
But they COULD have done it years ago. The fact that they didn't isn't MS's fault. We all make decisions that sometimes lead to situations we'd rather not have to deal with. How is that someone else's fault? | |
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join:2002-12-15
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Baltimore, MD | They didn't do it years ago because in the days of Win95, you didn't have all this proprietary arm twisting. | |
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join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
| Real reason for this action From the article:
The lawsuit follows successful class actions against Microsoft in several states, including a $1.1 billion award to California consumers. The same law firm that argued that civil action is representing California counties and cities in the latest legal maneuver. The lawsuit, which could recoup millions of dollars for the California government, also comes as the state took out loans to compensate for a $15 billion budget shortfall.
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Torrance, CA | Re: Looking for money?  Yes "Kalifornia" is that much in debt, from years of spending more than you take in....do the math....and the prognosis is not good....
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Ignite the Ice
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join:2002-09-24
Palmer, AK
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| Re: Looking for money? said by GeekForce:
Is California that much in debt?:o
Heck the amount of money California is over budget is probably Bill Gates entire net worth. I'm being sarcastic, so don't take the comment as gospel. Microsoft's fiscal year end was June 30, 2004, so I'm sure somewhere on the Securities & Exchange Commission's Edgar database Microsoft's Annual Report to Shareholders will be posted. It's public information. Microsoft has deep pockets. Speaking far-fetched, where would we be if Microsoft decided to retire (buy back) all it's outstanding shares of stock and closed up shop. Not sell the company, just close up shop. Who would step up to the plate then?
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| After years of lawsuits youd think everyone would know that Big M is a monopoly. And high school teaches that monopolies help the company and hurts everyone else. It appears a whole gang of idiots just crawled out from underneath the 7 year cicada rock. Why dont you all go to the library and find out all about microsoft in the old papers and magazines. I have no doubt that Govs were lured into an initial investment only to be blindsidedly whacked later when an upgrade is required. Microsoft is notorious for this and only endless sueing will wear on them in the hopes that one day they will change their ways. You cant hire a workforce, equip them, and train them, and then start all over again when your supplier bones you up your eanis. | |
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| Everyone knows Billion Bill's high priced legal dream team will somehow get Microsoft a good deal , just like he slithered himself out of all the past legal litigations.
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | What a lame law suit. The judge should throw it out on the grounds of other availbale alternative operating systems.
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hedyd4u
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join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY
| If you hate Microsoft don't use them you have other options. Microsoft sells its products for a fair market value (determined by what people are willing to pay) if you don't like the prices don't buy Microsoft products. If you say Microsoft was your only option then your an idiot. Remember when personal computers first came out not just anybody could use them. Microsoft made a product that the masses could use. Some other company could have done the same, Microsoft was not some huge player in the beginning. | |
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join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| Re: get a life said by hedyd4u :
Microsoft was not some huge player in the beginning.
Nope, you are right, IBM was a huge player and Microsoft was carried upon IBM's shoulders for the first five years.
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| If California got 1.1 billion for the Class Action suit the states brought against Microsoft, how can individual counties now sue. I mean I know that it says it was on behalf of the consumers. But were not the counties counted as those consumers. Or did every Windows user in California get a check from the state. My guess is no. You can tell me if I am wrong though. | |
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Ochiee
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join:2001-04-08
Santa Clara, CA
·Comcast
| I'd like to know how many of you critics of this suit have actually read the charges. It would specify exactly on what grounds they're suing .. this blub of a story doesn't tell us anything.
As far as the successful class-action suit goes, it only represented individuals and businesses, not government agencies.
I just love seeing how people are willing to pass judgement without knowing what's going on. You guys are great!
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Phoenixville, PA | Re: Critics in the know ?? lol what's next? | |
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'Kalifornia' used to be squared away......now you are getting an idea why we are so messed up....this kind of thinking permeates all parts of the state government.....The powers that be are really full of themselves.....it is getting uglier by the day, no one has a clue....If my house wasn't worth a lot of money and going up as I speak, and I was old enough to retire....I would leave.....we are all doomed....(end of rant)