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Hingham, MA | Re: uh uh They already exist.
I believe existing 2G iPhone plans do not yet have at&t's traditional 5GB cap, though? That may very well change with 3G, but then again, at&t has in the past given up a lot of concessions to Apple. | |
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Indianapolis, IN | 1G per month for $100 bucks ha ha ha ha ha the Evil ATT has spoken.
Why do we all get so excited about hearing this bald headed man speak? I don't even own apple stuff yet. | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: 1G per month for $100 bucks Apple is the R&D for the technology world anymore, that's why. | |
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Mulberry, FL |  Re: 1G per month for $100 bucks
said by ender7074:
Nah. Apple is R&D for the trendy set. They aren't doing anything cutting edge or innovative that someone else isn't doing.
and doing better and cheaper. | |
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Let see if ATT can get their wish without crashing their network. | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: 3Geeze Compared to how many for EV-DO 3G?
Apple could have made a CDMA iPhone, RIMM somehow manages to support both GSM and CDMA. | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: 3Geeze The could have... but they want the exclusivity (i.e. can sell for more $$$ if they hype it, and make special data use agreements)
Also, its much easier to to make 'just' a GSM quad band (good for almost any country in the world) and add on 3G vs. a CDMA phone which has a much smaller following:
From cdg.org
# 438,400,000 CDMA2000 subscribers (1Q 2008)
# 96,930,000 CDMA2000 1xEV-DO subscribers (1Q 2008)
From GSMA
»www.gsmworld.com/news/press_2008···31.shtml
GSMA Press Release 2008
3 Billion GSM Connections On The Mobile Planet – Reports The GSMA
Roughly 6 times the amount of users.
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Hingham, MA | Re: 3Geeze Apple originally spoke to Verizon, according to several sources (it's all technically rumors and unofficial, but common enough that I believe it)... But it's all about control for Apple, and Verizon likes control too... I suppose it's not surprising that didn't work out. | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: 3Geeze Everyone wants control... its just how willing they are to negotiate for a deal. AT&T gave up a bit of control for the ability to get the iPhone and all its hype and users that come with it. Verizon might not have been willing to meet at the spot that Apple wanted.
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Saint Clair Shores, MI | said by EPS:Apple originally spoke to Verizon, according to several sources (it's all technically rumors and unofficial, but common enough that I believe it)... But it's all about control for Apple, and Verizon likes control too... I suppose it's not surprising that didn't work out. VZW sit down with apple, listened about their terms, wadded up THEIR terms and said no thanks. I heard another rummer that Sprint wouldn't even return any calls. Got this off some apple blog site way back. I think apple just put too many restrictions in place and at least the CDMA guys said no. Smart? Dumb? When it comes to a phone driving the market, then why do people bitch with their bills are screwed up, they drop calls or they get some moron for a CSR on the phone and spend 3 hours trying to get a 10 dollar credit? I about laughed my ass off over the remark about the few cities that will have coverage.. so funny. | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: 3Geeze Interestingly, according to one source (Silicon Alley Insider), at&t doesn't expect to make money off of the new iPhone until 2010 thanks to the carrier subsidies. | |
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united state | Re: 3Geeze Correct, they already prepared the investors for the stock hit. | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: 3Geeze When have they been left in the dust, though? Being the #2 mobile phone company in the US by subscribers and the #1 in generating money seems a very odd definition of "being left in the dust". | |
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| Re: 3Geeze if they are so great then why the need to buy Alltel? Verizon has to keep justifying the dead end of EV-DO by propping itself up with numbers. deep in the dark recesses of a verizon boardroom somewhere, some exec is still being repeatedly kicked in the balls for letting the iPhone thing slip away. but it isn't his fault, it is the dead tech. The iPhone is going global and it will without a doubt seal the door on EV-DO tech and the CDMA provisioning model.
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Tulsa, OK | Re: 3Geeze If we didn't have cell phone "fashionistas" as you retardedly call them, we'd all still be talking on Moto TeleTACs. | |
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Saint Clair Shores, MI | said by rec9140: said by inteller:
cdmas provisioning model is completely broken. being locked to one phone these days is SOOO 1998.
How ? ? ? I've had 3 portable phones since going to only a portable phone in 1994, THREE: Nokia 280 something Audiovox 9000 Audiovox 9100gpx Four total, if you count the original 8900 Brick Phone that stated this account in the late 80's. I also at that time had an installed unit in the car. I have zero plans to change phones in the near future. A phone is not a fashion or cool thing. Its a tool to accomplish a task. Make and/or receive a phone call. Plus now days its the equivalent of an alpha pager with SMS. I've sent so few SMS messages from a phone I could count on one hand and probably have 4 fingers left. Receiving I get plenty from various alerts on equipment to other things that would only a few years ago went via alpha page. If it has to be bright pink and play music when it rings, and be so compact that the design impacts the RF performance, then its a useless tool. said by inteller:
until Verizon figures that out and starts issuing phones with a SIm, they will continue to be left it the dust by more portable technologies like WCDMA.
CDMA can have an equivalent to the SIM, called a RUIM » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removable_···y_ModuleUnfortunately that means giving up control that US carriers are unwilling to do. In that fact I will not disagree that the US market is messed up. Cool and cell phone go hand in hand with cool and work. Pick one. I pick work over cool every time. The cell phone fashionista have done more harm to the cell phone market than good in the long run. The constant barrage of when is the next line of "cool phones" for xxx coming out....I've got the 9283109 and its so useless.... (after 3 days).    BINGO.. very well put but it's going to leave a mark on those sim card toting/whyphone gotta have's ego.. But right on the mark.  | |
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College Station, TX | Nah...instead of wadding up the terms, they did what that guy did on Harold and Kumar goes to Guantanamo bay and said, "Here's what I think of YOUR terms." like the guy said, "Here's what I think of your bill of rights." Hilarious. | |
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Saint Clair Shores, MI | Re: 3Geeze said by atuarre:Nah...instead of wadding up the terms, they did what that guy did on Harold and Kumar goes to Guantanamo bay and said, "Here's what I think of YOUR terms." like the guy said, "Here's what I think of your bill of rights." Hilarious. Yeah.. Hilarious isn't it that some people even think those NON-U.S. citizens are protected by the same rights we are.. LMAO on that one..  Heck.. I wouldn't even let the Geneva Convention apply to those poor saps. | |
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Brookfield, WI | AT&T's 3G mobile broadband network is available in 280 US metropolitan areas. By year's end, however, AT&T will offer 3G service in nearly 350 markets. .
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Tulsa, OK | Re: 3Geeze no, it isn't ignorance, it is the refusal to admit the obvious. to do so would sacrifice the justification of their distorted reality. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: 3Geeze but verizon will ask the stupid question....Why do you need to go international? Are you a TERRORIST or something? | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: 3Geeze Why would they do that, when they're co-owned by the world's largest international mobile phone company?
Verizon recognizes this disappointment, that's why they're switching to LTE, which is also Vodafone's long-term plan. | |
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2 edits | Why wouldn't they They still have a 5GB cap. New iPhone users just reach the cap sooner.
EDIT - Since some are confused, my point is I don't see how you can get to 5GB without tethering and AT&T doesn't offer unlimited BW and tethering, at least that I've seen. $20 unlimited has always been there as an EDGE only service. I'm unaware of any AT&T 3G plan that is unlimited data. From EVERYTHING I've seen all 3G AT&T services are part of a dataconnect plan. If they don't permit tethering, 3G use with the iPhone is going to be limited ot the same youtube, browsing, email crap...not enough traffic to be an issue. | |
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Orange, CT | Perfect timing Perfect timing for ATT's 3G upgrades!
Supposedly there was some sort of June deadline for 3G upgrades on ATT's network???
Can anyone confirm this?
I finally got 3G service at my house about 2 weeks ago. Until then, I only had Edge.
Coincidentally... about 2 miles down the road, there has been 3G service for at least 1 year.
I may purchase a 3G iPhone...
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Apo, AE | Finally Catching Up To The Rest So AT&T is finally catching up to the rest of the world. 3G data/voice networks exist almost everywhere else in the world (and have for a while).
Not to knock the iPhone, but most of the capabilities of it have been available from Nokia, Samsung, HTC, Sony Ericsson, and others for two years now.
T better realize that people actually want to use the features of the phone/handheld but will balk at limitations (cost, speed, crippling, etc). Will their network hold?? Probably, but they'll end up charging users in overage fees and then you'll start seeing plenty of complaints about how someone has spent $400+ on a phone that they can't use because it is too expensive.
In this part of the world, ~$50 gets you "all-you-can-eat" of 3G. No caps. My laptop is tethered all the time and 3G is my source of the interwebs. Why can't it be like this Stateside?? 
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Finally Catching Up To The Rest said by barqsdrinker:So AT&T is finally catching up to the rest of the world. 3G data/voice networks exist almost everywhere else in the world (and have for a while). AT&T has had 3G voice/data service in a fair number of places for quite some time now.
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kudos:4 |  Backhaul from cell towers the chokepoint
»gigaom.com/2008/06/08/3g-network-iphone/
Most of the problem, if any, will crop up at the backhaul level. At present, the current 3G networks have a backhaul capacity of between 10-to-15 megabits per second, which is enough for the very short term, but it could become a big issue as more and more 3G iPhones and other new 3G phones go online. Bandwidth at the back end is going to start getting choked.
It’s already happening in Europe, where carriers are scrambling to add backhaul connections of either the microwave or the Ethernet kind to meet the growing bandwidth demand from 3G handsets. John Roese, CTO of Nortel, would describe it as the side effect of hyperconnectivity. And as AT&T has to beef up the backhaul, that is when issues about cost and caps will come in to play. Now, AT&T is beefing that up - but will it be enough to avoid a crunch in many areas - especially in suburban and rural areas?
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| | Short answer: They shouldn't have to Enough already! I don't know why AT&T ever agreed to such a lop-sided deal in the first place. Apple has downright abused AT&T with this phone. From the cost for AT&T to manage a phone like this to the monthly extortion payments, it's been a bad deal for AT&T.
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Valencia, CA | Re: Short answer: They shouldn't have to
Apple abusing AT&T ? That almost sounds like David and Goliath.
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Hingham, MA | $199 Interesting, much lower than I'd have expected... in comparison, the 3G (CDMA EV-DO) BlackBerry Curve is around the same price point, on a two-year contract as well- $199 on VZW and $179 on Sprint. One wonders what the Bold's or the Thunder's price point will be. | |
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4 edits | 3G iPhone pushing Blackberry "push data" scheme for business
»news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080609/tc···leiphone
Apple worked with Cisco Systems to build virtual private network (VPN) services into iPhones so businesses can establish secure connections to protect data being transferred. »www.apple.com/iphone/features/
Get push email, calendar, and contacts with Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync.
Maps with GPS
Find your location, get directions, and track progress along your route. And all kind of apps to download to the iPhone:
»www.apple.com/webapps/
All the technical specs here:
»www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
More info:
»www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/ipho···fficial/
It has a flush headphone jack - fixing a big complaint with the original iPhone. But it has a camera that faces you instead of facing forward. Good for web chats, but impossible for taking pictures.
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kudos:3 | Re: 3G iPhone pushing Blackberry "push data" scheme for business said by Romney2012:But it has a camera that faces you instead of facing forward. Good for web chats, but impossible for taking pictures. Huh? The camera is one the back like the original.
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Expected Battery Life? Better battery life - 300 hours of standby, 2G talk-time 10 hours, 5 hours of 3G talk-time, 5 to 6 hours of high-speed browsing, 7 hours of video, and 24 hours of audio. | |
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Dayton, OH | said by gworkman7:If the IPhone continues to have a "non-user serviceable" battery, it may be a very frustrating experience. Exactly why myself and a lot of other IT guys wont use the iPhone as a work phone. Having to send the phone back in and being without it, just for a battery replacement, is unacceptable. | |
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That said, all of the times are better than my razr. Yes, i have a black razr, and no i didn't get it free with 2 year contract, i paid full price to replace another one that was 2 and a half years old without fiddling with my contract.
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Manorville, NY | Smoke & Mirrors A 1st generation iPhone priced at $399/$499 for 8/16GB respectively will cost you less than a $199/$299 8/16GB 3G iPhone over the term of the contract. | |
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4 edits | Re: Smoke & Mirrors said by FastiBook:Get your facts straight. - Andy Perhaps you should get your facts straight.. What Steve Jobs failed to mention in the keynote were the details of AT&T's new rate plan pricing for the 3G iPhone -- which AT&T discussed in a conference call later in the day.
The pricing for the 3G iPhone now separates the calling plan, and requires a $30 iPhone data plan, for an increase of $10 per month over what the 1st Gen iPhone plan charges. That puts the cost of the 450 minute plan at $69.95 when it was $59.95. The $10 additional covers AT&T's subsidy and then some, adding an additional $240 over the term of the 2 year contract, making the cost of the 3G iPhone really $439 and $539 for the 8GB/16GB models respectively -- and thats only assuming you go for 2 years. | |
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California | Remind Anyone? For some reason, this new iPhone reminds me of the movie RV, with Robin Williams trying to type up revisions to some huge document on his Blackberry and send them as an email at a remote campsite in the moonlight.
this iPhone could be used for this, which would be silly, but I could definitely see how many people could make use of the new iPhone and MobileMe.
on the downside, the 3G coverage in general is Okay, so not many iPhone users will se an improvement in speed until at&t upgrades their area with 3G service - which I've heard is a Hardware Upgrade, requiring someone to manually climb each cellular tower and install the 3G equipment.
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| | | Re: Teh sTeVe So a cell phone with bluetooth & 3g, an ipod with wifi, a gps unit, and a mobile computer the size of a pack of index card with a touch screen and accelerometer all rolled into one for 200 bucks is a fart? | |
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| Re: Teh sTeVe said by FastiBook:So a cell phone with bluetooth & 3g, an ipod with wifi, a gps unit, and a mobile computer the size of a pack of index card with a touch screen and accelerometer all rolled into one for 200 bucks is a fart? It's just another iteration of an already existing gadget. That was my point.
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