 | | DSLAM's I think the ADSL2+ DSLAM's Covad is using are from Samsung, but maybe someone else knows...I also think the power source for the line comes from the central office (CO) which makes a users phones operable during a power outage...just like a POTS phone. If the incumbents don't come up with some way to block the use of last mile lines (UNE-L), this should be a good product for Covad, Earthlink and any other non-facilities-based ISP's. | |
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In addition, the future is not bright for any copper based service. The FCC has already limited its life span and its only a matter of time before the Bells start disconnecting copper in exchange for the fiber they do not have to resell. | |
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| |  KoolMoeAw ManPremium
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Annapolis, MD | Re: DSLAM's Reads to me like you need to actually research before you post. There are currently no sell recommendations on Covad's stock:
»finance.yahoo.com/q/ao?s=DVW
It's true they not recovering nearly as much cash as they're spending - hence the title of the parent article, right? But they still have over $100 million in CASH to burn through.
So why the uninformed Covad bashing?
To the second point, can you link me to where the FCC has imposed a moratorium on the use of copper?
I agree ILECs would love to get away from it but how many years before it's dead? Will the ILECs fiber everywhere? Will everyone want to switch to fiber?
I completely agree Covad is a risky business but it's far from the uninformed doom and gloom you posted.
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kudos:1 | Re: DSLAM's The FCC hasnt put a moratoium on the use of copper. What they have done is stated that the phone companies dont have to share fiber that they lay. So people see them starting to lay out fiber so that they dont have to share it with anyone. | |
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Annapolis, MD | Re: DSLAM's Of course. That question was not posed out of ignorance but to question the OP's statement, "The FCC has already limited its life span..." - which would more directly suggest some sort of limitation to its use as opposed to the true case where the lineshare regs have been removed (which does not inherently limit its lifespan, though it may help).
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Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Re: DSLAM's ...and what about cases where the Baby Bell overbuilds with fiber and then decommissions the copper?
calvoiper
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| | | | | | | | Re: DSLAM's I believe that's what lightspeed will ultimately do with FTTN. If T offers VOIP in the future then they no longer need a copper feeder pair at the lightspeed RT. At a point in the future would the government require them to maintain copper plant they no longer need? | |
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Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Re: DSLAM's There's been some talk about requiring Bells to provide a post fiber voice grade path on a UNE basis, but that totally hoses any business plan dependent on leasing UNE loop for DSL.
Realistically, the amusing part of this may be watching the Baby Bell making fiber build out decisions based more on what shuts out Covad than on what makes sense in a competitive market.
While I have great sympathy for Covad, I'm perfectly happy to watch the whining Baby Bells chase Covad with blinders on while wireless and cable ISPs eat their lunch....
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Cleveland, OH | Covad Survives Covad has done a remarkable job considering the playing field keeps changing on them. They are positioning themselves to survive regardless of the FCC. They have a good footprint out there and good products. Yeah they are cutting it close but have no choice, they are moving forward. Worst case someone buys them. WiMax is entering the picture. (I do hold some stock)
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| Re: DSLAM's Don't forget the other niche player mentioned in the press release:
»www.zhone.com/
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kudos:2 | Re: DSLAM's DSLAM's are all Samsung. Nokia was the original choice but because of cost, Samsung won out.
ATL, Dallas, Seattle, San Fran all have Samsung | |
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| | | | LBDSL: You of all people should know the right answer to this. You are all speculating, including the original article.
The link you posted points to an article describing companies whose products were planned as part of the trial.
Samsung was also part of the trial. Here is a link to Covad's site with the news clip, dated June 28 2005:
»www.covad.com/companyinfo/pressr···ws.shtml
DSLR: Now will you listen to me and update the article(s) to reflect the proper info? Jeez. | |
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Detroit, MI | Per the FCC TRO Remand order UNE-L are here to stay in partnership with the un-bundling of DSL from the Voice line per the California order and backed up by the FCC in the merger approvals for Verizon/MCI and SBC/ATT Covad has a chance to live another day. UNE-L are Loops leased from any Carrier ILEC or CLEC in a CO. Some CLECs are buying other CLECs capacity to get around the ILEC at a rate that is a little better than Bells. That is the reason the Level3 bought WillTel in Chapter 11. Both are CLECs with WillTell giving Level3 access to the local market the Level3 lacked across the US.
And Yes Covad gets its power from the CO that is apart of Co-location. Check out a interconnection agreement sometime at your local Public utility commission. It spells out how the world is interconnected no matter if it is voice or data. The difference is the rates paid for origination,termination or transport. | |
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Grand Rapids, MI | What?? What is Covad still around I thought the Telcos put them out of business. | |
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|  FLea973Premium
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Morristown, NJ | Re: What?? said by GlenQuagmire:What is Covad still around I thought the Telcos put them out of business. Of all the original DSL based broadband startups (Covad, Northpoint, etc.) Covad is the only one I can think of that is still around (Speakeasy and Earthlink both had healthy dial-up businesses to subsidize them in the beginning if I remember).... There used to be a forum around here to commemorate all the dead DSL providers just to give their former posters a place to commiserate until they found a new provider to bitch about.
Wow... never realized how much the posts here have changed... I remember you couldn't go a day without a post of an extremely incompetent/botched/lost order/delayed for the umpteenth time DSL install wasn't front page news....can't remember the last time I saw one of those... for all our complaining, I guess some things have gotten better.... | |
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| | Covad Here is why Covad is not out of business yet.....
11/9/05 10Q
As part of the resale agreement, SBC made a $75,000 non-interest-bearing prepayment, which is collateralized by substantially all of the Company’s domestic assets.
(million not thousand in case anyone cares)
Now why would you hurt a company that allows you access to other territories and you have an investment in, not to mention a full security interest in. | |
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| | | Re: Covad I doubt thats enough money to keep any good sized company in business for long. Heck, thats less than the cost of 2 OC3 cards for crying out loud.
Anyway, there are dozens of partners that use Covad's service. If you can find a list of them, I wouldn't be surprised to see some ILECs provisioning serivce through Covad that they themselves cannot provide or don't want to deal with. | |
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| | | | Re: Covad The previous statement was asking why covad was around, he thought the telcos had put them out. I was pointing out only that they have a vested interest not too, not so much the amount of money. 75 million isn't allot of money when you burn 20+ million a qtr.
Isn't it interesting though that Covad's lowest price point is $39.95. Yeah I know not the focus!!! | |
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