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 |  james
join:2001-02-26
CWCville USA | Re: More Bad News On the plus side, it means that if you pay the tax you are legaly allowed to violate any copyright you like. Atleast, that could be your argument in court. | |
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 extreme50Formerly TwoKDialupPremium
join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI | In Corporations We Trust Wait a minute! I already pay a subscription fee to XM Radio and I assume part of my Comcast bill goes to Music Choice. Isn't that enough for the MAFIA?
I'm starting to notice a disturbing trend here.
The corporations are writing the tax laws and us poor wage slaves get to pay the freight.
Sound like taxation without representation?
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|  DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
1 edit | Re: In Corporations We Trust Oh, there is plenty of representation, it's just big business getting all the representation.
Meanwhile if they're forced to pay the tax it should be open season to pirate all they want given the whores at the MPAA/RIAA would be seeing compensation. | |
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 scavioPremium
join:2001-07-14
Melmac | You pay for it but can't download it So you pay a tax because the media giants are complaining about piracy, but the same service that you get taxed on makes it difficult to actually download the content. Sign me up! | |
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 andybPremium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1 | Another tax? Shit we allready pay a tax on blank cd/dvd's for that purpose.WTF | |
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|  EUSKill cancerPremium
join:2002-09-10
canada | Re: Another tax? +tax on writers/burners & mp3 players.
Bend over!
I'm getting more and more tempted to just unplug. | |
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|  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 | said by andyb:Shit we allready pay a tax on blank cd/dvd's for that purpose.WTF This tax would legitimize illegal downloads. But if you don't download illegal content, all you will be doing is subsidizing those who do.
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| |  elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: Another tax? wouldnt it be you know legal then?
and if your paying for it why not start?
im sure you can find some thing you would like to download | |
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| | | | Exactly. Taxes like this are stupid for a whole bunch of reasons.
First of all, if the tax is to recoup "lost sales" from piracy, then the government is just giving users a green light to pirate. I don't pirate music, but if I were taxed as if I were a pirate, I would definitely download some illegal music files to get my money's worth.
However, what if I were incapable of pirating music at all. Suppose I was deaf. Obviously, I wouldn't be going around pirating music. However, I would still be taxed as if I was.
Secondly, I wonder where the money will go to. I'm guessing that it will go to the big record labels. But what about a smaller indie label. Their music might be pirated too. Do they get some compensation? If so, how do you divide up the funds. Does some money go to the singers and some to the songwriters?
Lastly, this seems to be slippery slope. Once record companies have a piracy tax, the TV companies are going to want one. And the movie companies. And the software industry. And so on. Before you know it, the price of your Internet connection doubles thanks to piracy taxes. (And going back to the first point, you can bet that I'll be pirating a *TON* if they double my ISP costs thanks to piracy taxes.)
This is just a bad idea all around. Here's hoping it dies a quick, painless (for us) death.
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1 edit | Sorry I just have to respond to TK Junk Mail as it seems he/she has erroneously referred to downloading content as "illegal" or "stealing" on a few occasions.
Downloading music is not illegal in Canada, period. Second downloading music is not stealing; stealing implies that you've taken something away whereas downloading is simply making a copy. This is why downloading music is classified as copyright infringement in the USA and is no different and no worse than dubbing a song off the radio or photocopying a book at the library.
That said the argument can certainly be made that it is an unethical practice and not one that I personally support. I didn't mean to rant but the amount of hyperbole that exists in these forums is staggering. | |
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join:2001-02-26
CWCville USA | Re: Another tax? You are 100% correct, the current law in Canada only outlaws uploading music and so on, downloading is totally legal.
I also agree with you in your opinion that downloading a copy of something is not stealing. If you want to see an actual example of "stealing" Intellectual Property, just look at what the record labels do to the bands they represent. $30 for a CD and an insignificant fraction actually makes it to the band. Hilarious when you consider that a band could distribute their songs on their own website and make more money from a couple of ads and people who order a signed cd or tshirt directly from them.
The record labels are no longer necessary, and are now working against the interests of their clients. | |
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| They'res no levy on blank dvds, and the other poster was incorrect as well, no levy on cd/dvd writers.
They levy's pretty outdated,
Cd's,casette tapes, they put it on mp3 players for a while.. then the supreme court downed it.. i think they're trying to get it back on mp3 players.
the levy is geared towards music piracy, so it doesn't really affect video formats too much. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Even more slippery for them is that by charging this tax they are charging you a license fee, they just gave people a license to pirate. and it would be a tough case in a court room because the tax could be viewed in the same light as a license fee.
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| | increase piracy It would give the green light for those on the fence about d/ling copyrighted material | |
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 AirwolfPremium
join:2001-10-30
Windsor, ON
1 edit | I wonder... ...how much tax will be added on?
Also, would this tax affect those who only can use dial-up? | |
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| | | Re: I wonder... Not sure about the Canadian one, but the US proposal quoted $5-10 a month. I can tell you this: I don't pirate music now, but if I'm going to be charged $60 - $120 per year for pirating music, you can bet that I'll be pirating a TON of music. | |
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 TLS2000Crazy CanuckPremium
join:2004-02-24
Mississauga, ON | They can't Sorry, but it isn't in their mandate to implement such a "tax" on the ISP's. They themselves have acknowledged that they have no mandate to regulate the internet.
The only regulation that they have authority to implement is over companies such as Bell Canada and Rogers Communications when it comes to wholesale provisioning on their networks, because their networks (not the internet) fall within their mandate to regulate.
They have no authority to do any of this to individual ISP's without guidance from the government. Remember that the CRTC is an arm's length regulatory body that does not answer to the government unless parliament gives them instructions.
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|  desigi
join:2008-04-24
Montreal, QC | Re: They can't I sincerely hope you're right, because this is really getting depressing. I have completely lost faith in our government... not that I had much faith in the Conservatives to begin with.
Not only is the government looking to choke consumers and innovation with their upcoming DMCA-style copyright bill reform, but now agencies that are suposedly independent from the government (correct me if I'm wrong) like the CRTC are not even looking out for Canadians' rights by allowing Bell Canada's anti-competive tactic to throttle smaller ISPs.
I always knew that the American government was continuously chacing the all mighty dollar at the cost of the rights of Americans, but I didn't think we were mirroring them to this extent. I hope things turn out differently than they are looking at the moment otherwise I sense some totalitarianism tendencies from our government. Ever read 1984?!? | |
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join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON | Here we go again ... What you see is not always what goes on. You need to keep in mind there's nothing stopping CRTC or any part thereof to grab their private cell-phone and call their buddy in Government. These kind of deals go on all the time.
After the deal is on the table and already well formatted, then Joe public gets a blurb in some obscure paper or bulletin.
What we have here is another blatant act of treason by corporations and their Government buddies to choke anyone or anything against their plan of taking over OUR internet. Same as they did with newspapers, Telephone, radio, cable and TV stations.
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join:2004-09-29
Renton, WA | wow can you Canadians still play wow? | |
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| james
join:2001-02-26
CWCville USA | Re: wow said by gsm8:can you Canadians still play wow? Uh NO.
Due to the wording of the Canadian Drug Control Act (1979), MMO games are against the law in Canada due to how addictive they are. (The laws don't specify drugs themselves as illegal, but make things that are addictive and proven to cause harm illegal)
When the Everquest MMO came out there were complaints of children skipping school and shutting themselves off from the real world, and some were unable to break the addictions, so a group of parents got together and lobbied the Supreme Court to re-interpret (the wording was not changed) the Drug Control Act which until 2003 was accepted as only applying to Chemical and Plant based items. So now technically anything can be outlawed if you can cite a significant number of cases (must be certified by doctors) of addiction.
What a country I live in! | |
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| We had it on Blank Tapes, why not Blank Internet Back in the old days of stone and chisel, the Canadian Government charged a leavy on all blank tapes to cover the cost of people "recording artist material". This went into a general fund payed out to artists based on various ways to cover the cost of recording music.
Until recently we had it on the cost of buying Floppy Drives, Hard Drives and even MP3 players.
Now, if we consider this was all recordable media, then the internet could be seen as a GIANT hard-drive for every Canadian.
So, the question becomes:
If we get taxed to cover the cost of piracy, shouldn't that be considered payment for what you take?
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| | OUCH!! We sure know how to get fked good here in Canada, in majority it's our fault we just have to stop typing ang get some real action done. | |
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| | Ok NOOBS LISTEN 1st off this is a great idea that so far NO HUMAN that ive ever talked to wouldnt be into
go google the SAC song writer proposal
and yes if we pay levy that dies and we pay per month
and it would go like this as per there proposal
5$ per month and :
YOU GET TO DOWNLOAD AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE
YOU GET TO COPY , MODIFY AND DISTRIBUTE AS YOU WISH.
The levy gets them 60MILL/year
5$ = 1.2 billion roughly
so counter proposal = 50 cents a month = 120 mill
DOUBLE what they GET NOW.
The alternative for those of you not sniffing glue or smoking crack = DMCA and AMERICAN LAWSUIT STYLE laws AND if it goes as the USA is going LIFE IN PRISON FOR "attempted copyright infringement"
that means mp3 player use = life
vcr = life
cd burner = life
copying for personal use or backup = life
thats the alternative.
I have at length discussed this at the faircopyright for canada page and debunked all the probs.
A) let the industry figure out where the cash goes after i pay not my problem.
B) don't pay the isp SHOULD have the right to shape the living crap out of you OR get dial up.
C) i coun ter propose that 10% go to rebuilding the network of the said ISP such that they have to prove they are increasing speeds and capacity and not just shoving free tax cash at there shareholders.
D) if you require linux or other public domain or opensource liscensed software you should have a system where the ISP can be informed and make a change for that site, i believe that most of this shaping software even allows ALL of this to be done.
E) Remember that none of this matters if the DMCA comes to canada - no one will pay for internet if they can't use it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
F) the traffic shaping by bell has to end or the second the tax comes im droping my internet ( wtf the speed would equate to the same cost as buying it from the riaa - SCREW THEM)
G) TPM = new term for DRM DONT BE FOOLED.
Non commercial copying must be allowed and uses of course. | |
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| | | Re: Ok NOOBS LISTEN Instead of going down this long and broken road, why don't we just refuse to buy from the major music producers. Just buy directly from bands that have their own website, independent from the Orgs who are ripping off the musicians. If only 15-20% of total downloads were coming directly from the musicians, many others would come on board. Lets just get rid of the middlemen, after all, with the internet we don't need them! | |
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