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Canada Gets A New Wireless Competitor
Freshly 'Canadian enough,' Wind Mobile launches service...
by Karl Bode Thursday 17-Dec-2009 tags: prices · business · wireless · world · consumers
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Though their competitors lobbied hard to have the new company banned from Canada for not being Canadian enough, Wind Mobile this week officially launched in Canada -- adding some much-needed competition to the Canadian wireless market. Wind's 3G network is up and running in Toronto, with expansion into Vancouver, Ottawa and Edmonton early in the new year. Wind of course is trying to disrupt one of the world's priciest wireless service markets by saying they'll offer lower rates, no incoming SMS charges, no 911 fees, access fees, or activation fees, and will sell unsubsidized phones to consumers with no contracts. Howard Forums has a breakdown of both voice and data plans (you'll note one remains the same: "unlimited" data still means 5GB a month). Going with Wind Mobile on launch day? Drop us a line and let us know how your experience went.

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Van
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Has their been any actual verification

that their prices are lower + speed reasonable?
stufried
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Re: Has their been any actual verification

There is a leaked copy of their price list on Howard's Forum and they looked significantly cheaper.

RobP

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»shop.windmobile.ca/

Online price list off their website

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Re: Has their been any actual verification

said by RobP:

»shop.windmobile.ca/

Online price list off their website
I see voice plans & prices.
And a laptop data plan(with a USB stick required) and prices.

I don't see any prices for a combined smartphone plan.
Edit: It looks like they have a Blackberry add-on for internet usage at $35/mo over the voice plan. And an internet add-on for other smartphones at $35/mo.
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minoe

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Re: Has their been any actual verification

No combined plans. Just add-ons.

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stufried
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It is under add-ons, not plans:

»shop.windmobile.ca/ProductCatalo···ategory2

$35 a month.

I just noticed that Wind has Canadawide roaming at $0.25 a minute and you appear to be "home zoned" if you are on the Wind network, even if you are in a different city (e.g. in Vancouver with a Toronto phone).

Just as important, Wind roams in the United States at $0.25 a minute!
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They published their plan pricing yesterday morning, all of 2 hours or so before launch.

Their biggest plan seems to be roughly on par with the better deals from some of the competitors, and their mid and low range plans seem to be about the same price, but with more stuff included.

The biggest problem right now is the $0.25/min roaming fees, given their current footprint is still rather small. That will become less of an issue though, as they bring more towers online.

woody7
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hmmm.....

Good luck to them, and I really mean it!
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Re: hmmm.....

This is a operator owned by Orascom Telecom. It is the same company that provides cell service for North Korea.
stufried
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Re: hmmm.....

And Italy, Egypt, and many other countries. If you want to be politically correct, people should all go to T-Mobile because they were the only U.S. cellular company who didn't willingly hand over customer data to the NSA without a court order.

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said by YellowDart:

This is a operator owned by Orascom Telecom. It is the same company that provides cell service for North Korea.
And google provides censored search to china.

Your point is?
stufried
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Re: hmmm.....

And Cisco provides the internet blocking equipment for the Great Firewall of China. Better clear all that Linksys stuff out our houses.
munky99999
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Re: hmmm.....

and cisco is the major networking backbone of the internet itself. So you might as well stay off the internet entirely. That way I dont have to hear about "Oh noes they do stuff in country X they are evil also"
vag16v

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hereandthere

just another...

Hardly considered a competitor when they're only serving a couple cities. Things only start to get interesting when someone puts some real money where their mouth is and starts building their own network across Canada.
Its real good to see this kind of service putting some pressure on the other larger providers, but leave their little home area and they're all in the same boat as everyone else. You'll then pay whatever rate the competitors want for roaming and usage on their network.

The only other comment I have, is in terms of the competitors trying to have them banned...that's pretty sad. If it takes someone from outside the country to come in and do it right, then those same competitors need to sit back and have a REAL good look at the kinds of services/costs they are offering to the Canadian market.
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Re: just another...

They are building their own network across Canada (except Quebec), but that takes years to do. It would be foolish to wait until they have their entire network built before starting to offer service.
vag16v

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Re: just another...

Maybe I missed something, but where are people seeing that they are building they're own network across Canada?
I know there are people who think there is no world outside Toronto and the other big cities in Canada, but I hope they realize what the territorial market is like in other parts of Canada before getting peoples hopes up.
I'm thinking of some of the small monopoly markets in parts of Ontario who have been the only player for far too long.
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Re: just another...

Would you spend $450M or so on spectrum across the country and only open up shop in Toronto and Calgary?

They always stated that they plan to build a coast-to-coast network (minus where they don't have spectrum), but were going to start with Toronto and a "western Canadian city" (most people expected Vancouver, not Calgary), then expand to 3 more cities - since announced to be Ottawa, Edmonton and Vancouver - shortly after.

The info is out there, it's just a matter of digging through old news stories and press releases.

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No SIM Card support yet?

As far as I've heard, their phones don't accept/support SIM cards yet, which is pretty essential if they expect to compete with the locals. Even Bellus now support SIM cards in certain phones. The fact that WIND is on the 1700Mhz spectrum is going to hurt them in that respect.

I think at this point, people want to take their phones and drag their broken spirits and wallets to somewhere cheaper where they won't get abused. However, people may still balk at having to lay down another few hundred dollars for yet another phone in many cases.

Good thing Robbers and Bellus have been extending contracts left, right and centre lately, eh? Pretty sneaky. Most of us on this forum have probably wised up and refused the contracts, but many poor souls out there still have 2.98 years to go on their $30/month "deals" that end up costing them +$200/month.

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Re: No SIM Card support yet?

said by Oinktastic:

As far as I've heard, their phones don't accept/support SIM cards yet, which is pretty essential if they expect to compete with the locals. Even Bellus now support SIM cards in certain phones. The fact that WIND is on the 1700Mhz spectrum is going to hurt them in that respect.
Considering that all their phones are GSM, it would be dumb not to support SIM cards; they would be required to support them.

You can use any T-Mobile 3G phone on their network as well. That means when I travel from the US to Toronto, finally, I can use my phone with a new SIM from Wind Mobile.
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Re: No SIM Card support yet?

Wind won't sell you a SIM by itself, you have to buy a phone from them which includes the SIM. :\

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Re: No SIM Card support yet?

said by Brades:

Wind won't sell you a SIM by itself, you have to buy a phone from them which includes the SIM. :\
Unfortunately, this is true, at the moment.
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Re: No SIM Card support yet?

Only untill they can get some stock.The gov and crtc screwed them up with suppliers while everything was unknown

DrZEUS

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said by Oinktastic:

Good thing Robbers and Bellus have been extending contracts left, right and centre lately, eh? Pretty sneaky. Most of us on this forum have probably wised up and refused the contracts, but many poor souls out there still have 2.98 years to go on their $30/month "deals" that end up costing them +$200/month.
speak for yourself...my $37 all in plan (with 6 GB data) allows me to use my phone at will with ZERO overage...unless I'm roaming in the States of course.

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Re: No SIM Card support yet?

said by Brades:

Wind won't sell you a SIM by itself, you have to buy a phone from them which includes the SIM. :\
You get a physical SIM card that you can remove from the phone? Not one of them hard-wired dealies?

said by DrZEUS:

speak for yourself...my $37 all in plan (with 6 GB data) allows me to use my phone at will with ZERO overage...unless I'm roaming in the States of course.
I did say that users on this forum were probably mostly exceptions and I'm glad you got yourself a deal. You do say "all in" but that's still not extremely clear about what exactly you're getting for that price. $37 for unlimited voice and data would certainly be a deal in my books. Plus, you seem to say you have nation-wide roaming AND long distance? That's actually amazing. Did you bargain for this, or did this come as part of a corporate plan?
n4bkn

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Phone purchase required

The major reason to required a phone purchase (as well as a SIM), is that GSM phones with North American AWS band coverage are rare! Wasn't Wind Mobile only able to obtain AWS licenses in the last Canadian auction?
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Re: Phone purchase required

Well if you already have a phone from the big 3. You have a fair chance of rolling it over to WIND.

Which the Nokia N900 does
Same with iphone 3g and palm pre i believe. They support utms but 1700 doesnt seem to be listed.

sadly the droid isnt supported Just found out yesturday how to get root access to it.
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Re: Phone purchase required

iPhone doesn't suport AWS. Neither does the Pre. I'm assuming Wind isn't allowing SIM kits because most phones wouldn't support their 1700MHz-only HSPA-only network.

cpsycho

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Cant wait.

Moment they hit Orangeville they will make $90 a month from me.

Always shout $45
Infinite BlackBerry® $35
Canada Unlimited Long Distance $10
Now that is awesome.

I cant believe its going to be that cheap, so long we canadians have seen outragous prices for little service. Its hard to believe this is for real.
Ryo99

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Re: Cant wait.

You can trim that by $10
The Always shout already includes Unlimited Canadian LD

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It ain't the big three and that's good enough for me.

Writing from Paris France, and they're selling prepaid SIMs and phone for 19 EUR about 30 CAD...

The fact that the big three have been holding this kinda stuff back makes it so that I'll be switching as soon I'm back in TO.

Fuck you both Bell and Rogers you'll never get a cent out of me again.

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Unlocked allowed next week

You will be able to buy sims only "maybe" by end of next week

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