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Canada Pushing For Drastic Surveillance Power Expansion
Including sharing customer information with no legal oversight...
by Karl Bode 04:24PM Tuesday Nov 16 2010
According to Canadian Professor Michael Geist, the Canadian Government is following the lead of their neighbors to the south, and are engaged in a three-pronged effort to significantly expand Canadian wiretap authority. This effort involves requiring ISPs to disclose customer information with little to no court oversight, dramatically reconfigure their networks to ease real-time surveillance, and cooperate with government in testing new surveillance technologies. "These proposals come at an enormous financial and privacy cost, with as yet limited evidence that the current legal framework has impeded important police work," argues Geist. Any of this sound familiar?

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buzz_4_20

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I was unaware 1984 served as an Instruction Manual

BBBanditRuR
Dingbits

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All this is from that same school of thought that terrorists use, so I'm not really surprised.

Murdoc
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Re: Reminder

said by BBBanditRuR:

All this is from that same school of thought that terrorists use, so I'm not really surprised.
By terrorists you mean government right? There is no terrorists here except "government terrorists"

BBBanditRuR
Dingbits

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Re: Reminder

I mean the line between Terrorists/Government/Idiots in general is blurred these days.

Murdoc
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Re: Reminder

Thanks for clearing that up buddy.

ArrayList
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indeed...

i have this posted in my office:
quote:
No universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition of terrorism currently exists.

waitasec

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Re: Reminder

Um, they never declared war on terrorism.
They declared war on terra.

Its always been a game of wordplay.

Those in the know, know and have known.

This law is all about getting to know who the Trend Forecaster's are.
Who is telling who about the fluoride in the water.
Who is talking about the aluminum amounts in the water and in the soil from the chem-trails
Who is aware of the genetically modified foods, which for 2 years now Monsanto has been producing aluminum resistant crops thanks to the 50,000 time increase in aluminum being sprayed.

If being gay was still illegal, the reason for this would be to put those gay people who have no control over their sexuality in jail.

trainwreck6

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Re: Reminder

How did you get fags into a conversation about surveillance?
WHT

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Re: Reminder

said by trainwreck6:

How did you get fags into a conversation about surveillance?
Around the same time I did yer daddy and yer brother...and they didn't whine half as much as you are.

ArrayList
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lol
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Encryption as the norm

More and more will just become encrypted for all internet traffic. If not already.

Markie
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They be Skeered of us :)

It is pretty obvious, they are terrified of their own subjects.

GOOD. Start serving those you represent and you'll not need such rampant paranoia.

This isn't a Liberal or Conservative issue, or even a technological one...rather it is about control and those who wield it and their wish to spare no public expense chasing internet shadows.

All under the guise of keeping us safe. Yay.
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Murdoc
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Re: They be Skeered of us :)

said by Markie:

It is pretty obvious, they are terrified of their own subjects.

GOOD. Start serving those you represent and you'll not need such rampant paranoia.

This isn't a Liberal or Conservative issue, or even a technological one...rather it is about control and those who wield it and their wish to spare no public expense chasing internet shadows.

All under the guise of keeping us safe. Yay.
:D If I would of been drinking something I would of spit it out, Funny topic line. Sure seems to make a whole lot of sense though.

COMMAN
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Let's honor our lawmakers.....

Let me be the first to extend an invitation to our US Congressmen and Senators, as well as the fine lawmaking bodies of our Northern Neighbors, to a special party in their honor. We'll be holding this celebration in the backwoods and bayous of the deep south, dancing to the theme song from deliverance and generally showin' them fellows a REAL GOOD TIME.....

Seems to me the politically powerful have forgotten how many millions of common citizens - whom those lawmakers supposedly work for - live, work, and pay taxes here, and have just about reached the limits of tolerance for the thievery and abuse exhibited by the current political establishment (remember government OF the people, BY the people, FOR the people?). The winds of change are blowing mighty strong these days in the "land of the free and the home of the brave"!

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digital World

A lot of so-called law enforcement people think that there are no laws or Rights that apply in the digital world, since there is no instant wording for them to decipher the two apart.
But our Rights and Freedoms do apply in the digital world, just like our Rights and Freedoms apply in the real world(even though many enforcement officers disagree on that too).

It is a crime for the police to collect and store peoples information, based on "Just because". Judge issued Warrants are needed in the real world and Judge issued warrants should also be needed in the digital world too.
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Re: digital World

And remember there are a lot of people working in "law enforcement" that believe in the rights of citizens, the Constitution, and civil liberties.

Not everyone who wears a badge is a jack booted thug. Plenty of us believe in the rule of law, due process, and the notion that a guilty person should go free before an innocent person is punished for a crime they did not commit.

More of us out here than you think.....
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chgo_man99

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Nazi Canada?

Is that whats coming? lol

88615298
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Is Canada under threat?

Exactly who is threatening Canada that they think they needs to do this crap? The only people that hate Canadians are Americans.

rawgerz
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Re: Is Canada under threat?

They keep pretending that they're so different from us in every way, but it seems they really are just like us.
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Re: Is Canada under threat?

said by rawgerz:

They keep pretending that they're so different from us in every way, but it seems they really are just like us.
You can only tell us apart by the bent pinky.

en102
Canadian, eh?

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Yeah - bend the 1 digit, and what do you get - the middle finger
Its pronounced 'Zed', not 'Zee'.

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Especially when gobs of us lumber over the border to shop in Grove City. We're just like you locals!
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said by 88615298:

Exactly who is threatening Canada that they think they needs to do this crap? The only people that hate Canadians are Americans.
no actually its american actors, and gene simmons
rest of America could also care less..... its 350 people that run everything down there.....

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Actually we are under more of a threat from Janet Napolitano and and other certain US politicians who keep wrongfully blaming Canada for the 911 hijackers.
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trainwreck6

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Re: Is Canada under threat?

Janet Napolitano is a bitch. Now she is being an apologist for invasive junk-groping screening, and trying to justify all the TSA and Homeland Security nonsense.

Bitch.
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Meanwhile...

....the use of encryption technologies continues to increase.

So why do they even bother?

SSL junkie

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Re: Meanwhile...

There's nothing I don't do via SSL on the net, from web browsing to downloads everything is encrypted.
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Meanwhile they peg google to a burning stake

For gathering some info off insecure wifi and they are here asking for a back door into everybody's communications. just like what was said when the US government asked for all this stuff, any back door will give hackers access to data they should not have.
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shwing
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Do I Live in Canada or Red China?

I thought the CRTC was bad enough...but now this?
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Welcome to the United Police States of America

Charter members: Canada & the United States
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Say hello to my little friend..... the encryption algorithm

Yeah, we should be at a point where all traffic is encrypted to begin with.

The internet is insecure by default, so we should be encrypting everything. And if that hampers big brother's ability to spy on it's citizens, then so be it.

Let's put it this way..... wiretapping will be used in an attempt to incriminate the people who are least-likely to be real threats, and will push those that are the true threats further underground, as they cloak their dastardly deeds in heavy encryption, if they aren't already doing that.

Just like the government's war on drugs has seen drug use and proliferation increase.... we'll see more and more encryption put in place for everything from sending our loved ones simple "I love you" messages, to the covert transmission of illegal and truly incriminating information. Good luck wading through that sludge.
gruntlord6

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Barrie, ON

No way its will go through

as we all know the ISPs such as bell canada own the goverment, and they surely will not want any added expenses.
munky99999
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Following USA into tyranny.

USA has had these very same things in effect for years.

The header of any packets you send over the internet via the internet is wide open to police to see without warrant. The rationale is that the header is the equivalent of the outside of the envelope of a letter. Both addresses available to be viewed by anyone.

Getting info of IP -> name takes a warrant.

But the machines that do the intercept usually is at the cost of the police. They bring their machine to the isp to get info.

The reason this will never pass is because it wants the ISPs to foot the bill for the cisco interception hardware. No ISP will play nice with that.

Plus TBH. As long as all information besides packet headers requires warrant. Then the law is fine. Oh and well the cops are who need to pay for the hardware.
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There MUST be Oversight

I find it hard to believe that anyone would condone that much power to the authorities without some kind of sober oversight. We saw all too well what happened in Toronto during the recent G20 protests where the police were apparently given a free reign (illegal search, seizure and arrests, brutality, and outright lying/deception by the police). No thanks, I've seen enough already.
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ruarmani

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how long

sorry, double posted
ruarmani

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and how long

I wonder how long people in Canada, and US too, are going to take this abuse from our own government. They talk about Russia, Iran and other countries, how bad they are and corrupted - they should look at the mirror. They are lucky that Canadians are quite and peaceful people. It is a shame to treat us like that. They do whatever they want, sell us bulls about terrorism, spend more than a billion on G Summit, not even giving a crap about what people are saying..... what, those leaders are so afraid of us.... Now surveillance to monitor us??? It is happening like in all those science fiction movies and becomes or has become a reality. Soon we will be chipped?