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Wi-Fi radiation fears convince city to stop building small public network
(old news - 11:27AM Sunday Mar 23 2008)
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Despite the fact that numerous studies have revealed no conclusive evidence that wireless technology is a cause of cancer, fears persist amongst those who believe that the technology is making them sick. Even those folks who don’t go so far as to say that Wi-Fi is cancer-causing claim that exposure to wireless radiation is making them ill in other ways due to their Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity. This condition is rare in the general population but that didn’t stop a group of citizens with the ailment from protesting against a recently-approved public wireless network in Sebastopol, California. The city had approved a local Internet provider to set up access points throughout the downtown area. After receiving petitions and complaints from those citizens who were concerned about the health risks of the network’s radiation, the city rescinded its decision to allow the network.

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ureihcim
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!

The world is filled with morons, because these morons would of been complaining since they where children about how the sun is cooking their skin.

I bet that nice tan they got at the beach though did not cause them any harm right? Hope they get skin cancer for their stupidity.

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there is Lot's of Radiation out there

Thermal radiation very f**ked on this one
Radio waves
Microwave radiation
(in microwave ovens) uses the same 2.4ghz as wifi and this one

Particle radiation

Gamma radiation

Visible light

X-rays,

Ultraviolet radiation

Beta radiation

Alpha radiation

Neutron radiation

Solar radiation

they better go kill them self's

ureihcim
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Re: !

They should of been dead already according to their ridiculous claims. Let's not forget that when you take an X-ray you just took a nice dose of radiation. What's next? X-ray machines with a environmentally friendly sticker on it?

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Re: !

said by ureihcim See Profile :

Let's not forget that when you take an X-ray you just took a nice dose of radiation. What's next? X-ray machines with a environmentally friendly sticker on it?
We used to use X-rays with little to no precautions. It seemed silly to think that a little X-ray radiation could harm you. For example, shoe stores used to have little x-ray machines so you could see how your feet fit inside your shoes.

Notice that we don't have those any more? Or notice the way we get draped in pounds of poisonous metal just to be protected from excessive x-ray radiation when x-rays are necessary?
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said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

there is Lot's of Radiation out there

Microwave radiation (in microwave ovens) uses the same 2.4ghz as wifi and this one

See this is the problem, idiots read this and all they remember is WiFi and Microwave Ovens are the same thing.

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i went to la with my notebook and along the freeway it found 1600 access points
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Re: !

Here's the forum where the anti-Wi-Fi movement is proclaiming their victory:

»www.waccobb.net/forums/showthrea···?t=33493

You can read more there about their beliefs.

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I try to maximize my expose to all forms of radiation. The more radiation the better no?
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Re: !

exposure!

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you also forgot that the sun and other stars produces and propagate radio waves and the entire spectrum of light wave since the beginning of time. These people need to get some education or advoid the sun completely and ware light repellabt clothes so other particles do not affect them

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Gotta love the morons in CA without providing extensive evidence it can cause/risks cancer yet those people use cell phones which use the same 2.4Ghz wavelength.

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Re: !

said by mrchris See Profile :

Gotta love the morons in CA without providing extensive evidence it can cause/risks cancer yet those people use cell phones which use the same 2.4Ghz wavelength.
Yeah, New York is sooooo normal.

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I live about 5 miles from Sebastopol. That town is well known for Volvos, granola mentality, and sandals. It's where old hippies go to die. It is almost, but not quite, as bad as Berkeley.

I am embarrassed for all Californians.

»corp.sonic.net/blog/2008/03/23/s···ontract/

The next thing they will ban is dihydromonoxide.

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AT&T, Comcast, Verizon use this to stop muni-Wifi

Hey, now the telcos and cable companies can use groups like this to stop muni-wifi efforts. No complaining about tax dollars - just tell the residents they will all die from wireless.
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Re: AT&T, Comcast, Verizon use this to stop muni-Wifi

LOL.

They're much more likely to die from high blood pressure caused by horrid incumbent services.

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The sky is falling...

Again.

These are the same dumb bunnies (Happy Easter ) that sit around all day with a higher level of RF source plastered against their heads for hours on end, a Cell Phone. And that's OK ? These folks need to just wear a Tinfoil hat and be over it.
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amusing

It's often that side of the world that tells me my side of the world is anti-science and prone to believing in myths.
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Oh god....

I wonder, do any of them live within cell phone range? If so, they are hypocrites cuase that is wireless. What about tv & radio signals same thing.
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Re: Oh god....

I wonder how many of them smoke?

I wonder how many of them ply their fat faces with cheeseburgers and french fries on a regular basis?

I wonder how many of them get an appropriate amount of exercise?

But no, gotta stop the internet access!!

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Re: Oh god....

Knowing the demographics of the area well, a lot of them smoke, but it's not tobacco.

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what a fool believes

One word: IDIOTS!

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Ham Radio Operator

Gee, I have held an Amateur Radio License for 20+ years, and have been exposed to more Hi Power RF than most people will be in a lifetime.

Oh wait, BBR has a Ham Radio Forum, I guess a whole bunch of us here are goner's for sure,
maybe a few more of the living dead can chime in here and tell us about their life ending battle with RF induced cancer....

I guess technically if I'm dead from cancer now, maybe I can collect on my own life insurance policy.

It's the same stupid morons that stand there and watch their dinner cooking in their 1200 Watt Microwave Oven that are afraid of the 50 milliwatt(50 thousandths of 1 watt) WiFi.

As for the food cooking in the microwave...

BEEP BEEP BEEP, dinners ready.

Now put out your cigarette and hang up your cell phone, it's time to sit down and eat
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Re: Ham Radio Operator

all these retards should simply be relocated to some remote corner of the globe like Antarctica, where they can go f**k themselves

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all these retards should simply be relocated to some remote corner of the globe like Antarctica
NOOOOOOO, they can't go to Antarctica, that's where the hole in the Ozone Layer is.
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Re: Ham Radio Operator

LOL, forgot that!!

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said by KA3SGM See Profile :

Gee, I have held an Amateur Radio License for 20+ years, and have been exposed to more Hi Power RF than most people will be in a lifetime.

Oh wait, BBR has a Ham Radio Forum, I guess a whole bunch of us here are goner's for sure,
maybe a few more of the living dead can chime in here and tell us about their life ending battle with RF induced cancer....

I guess technically if I'm dead from cancer now, maybe I can collect on my own life insurance policy.

It's the same stupid morons that stand there and watch their dinner cooking in their 1200 Watt Microwave Oven that are afraid of the 50 milliwatt(50 thousandths of 1 watt) WiFi.

As for the food cooking in the microwave...

BEEP BEEP BEEP, dinners ready.

Now put out your cigarette and hang up your cell phone, it's time to sit down and eat
Ever get RF burn before?? I heard it hurts like heck.. but yea if that happens you still live..

I don't know why it seems the people who bring this topic up every other month why does it always seem like it's a women in her mid 40's...
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Re: Ham Radio Operator

Yea, RF burns are not very pleasant, it doesn't just burn the surface of the skin like touching a hot pot on the stove, it's a really deep painful burn.

Only takes once to learn your lesson though....

Nonetheless, that was many years ago, and no Tumors formed, no Cancer has occurred.

And that was from direct contact with an antenna with about 45 watts.

That would be hundreds if not thousands of times the strength that WiFi transmits at.

Probably the people that fear WiFi the most are the same ones that think it's OK to dry off their pet cat in the microwave oven.
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said by KA3SGM See Profile :

Probably the people that fear WiFi the most are the same ones that think it's OK to dry off their pet cat in the microwave oven.
Same folks.

Here kitty, kitty...
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said by KA3SGM See Profile :

Yea, RF burns are not very pleasant, it doesn't just burn the surface of the skin like touching a hot pot on the stove, it's a really deep painful burn.

Only takes once to learn your lesson though....

Nonetheless, that was many years ago, and no Tumors formed, no Cancer has occurred.

And that was from direct contact with an antenna with about 45 watts.

That would be hundreds if not thousands of times the strength that WiFi transmits at.

Probably the people that fear WiFi the most are the same ones that think it's OK to dry off their pet cat in the microwave oven.
are you kidding me... drying off a pet in a oven..
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said by Subaru See Profile :

are you kidding me... drying off a pet in a oven..
Yup, real deal... According to the "Press"...
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said by KA3SGM See Profile :

Oh wait, BBR has a Ham Radio Forum, I guess a whole bunch of us here are goner's for sure,
maybe a few more of the living dead can chime in here and tell us about their life ending battle with RF induced cancer....
Have you read the Milham study yet? Statistically significant higher rates of leukemia, lymphoma, and prostate cancer among ham radio operators (in California and Washington, but I suspect it could apply to other states too).
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good riddance

cancerous cells = wifi and people wonder where all these cancers come from.

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Would you expect from California.

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How Amusing...

Tell those parents/people that keep pushing their kids outside that they are complete morons for believing that Wi-Fi causes radiation/cancer. Every single electronic out there pretty much gives off some form of radiation. Computer monitors, Microwaves, Cell Phones, Cordless phones, Routers, Radio Stations, Sun, TV stations, satellites, TVs, smoke alarms (have radioactive materials in them, but that's a bit different story), etc. I've had a router for 3 years along with DSL and I don't see myself getting sick. Back before I got high speed internet here I used to get sick once a month because I was outside (facing sun burns as well ). Also, my router sits right next to my gaming computer, which I'm on literally 24/7 and I'm only a foot away from it, and the thing has high gain antennas with 3 radios in it. BS!

Also, you wanna know what really causes cancer? Natural deformities in cells AND cheapo sun screen.

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Re: How Amusing...

Just to let everyone know, that Ultra violet radiation actually kills bacteria, protozoa, viruses, molds, yeasts, nematode eggs and algae. It's also used to purify the water you drink.

The only type of radiation that can hurt/kill you is actually very high powered meaning it's operating in the high KW range.

None of your devices or any other consumer or business device reaches these levels, and if they do even at high radiation levels the safety distance around that equipment is small as 100ft and most of the time will either be around a guarded fence and displaying a little radiation symbol for your safety and those who work on it.

You will never encounter or work with such a high powered antenna unless you work in the business or if you are in the military. Even to install a dish, a professional installer comes and does it for you and he is perfectly safe.

You are safe, and don't diagnose something you don't even know. More than likely that migraine you had all week is not because of radiation but because your a moron and are not drinking enough water to stay hydrated which is causing your migraine. Even if you feel hydrated you are more than likely not.

I am also now in California, and with the heat and the high altitude, I need to drink more water than normal. So instead of going and drinking that soda or that monster, which does more damage to your freaking heart than the radiation a wifi signal is making quit your BS and welcome to reality.

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Re: How Amusing...

Not to be mean, but I think you responded to the wrong post.

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Re: How Amusing...

Should of been a thread post, oh well I blame it on radiation
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Bunch of chickens

those lousy people believing that wifi can cause cancer....HA!
Their mobile phones usually at their hands. Watching their tv. everyday using the pc.
There has been this hokus pokus for many years.
The power lines, tv, and pc. now wifi?!
Take note cancer patients are exposed to more radiation than those who dont have because they need it.

Take look on astronauts. their suits cannot fully protect them from radiation from space and they're out there. There is only rare cases of cancer among them.

THose guys just want attention.
those guys can't think anything right. all they have is fear. fear of this and fear of that. what's next? fear of remote controls.

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Do they not realize that no matter what they do radio waves will always be there. They better not ever go out in public where radio waves from cell phones may give them cancer, or use a cordless phone! Seriously..wake the hell up.
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Ends Justify The Means

I completely disagree with the reasoning used by these concerned citizens but I am glad it was an effective means by which a massive waste of taxpayer dollars was averted.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

I completely disagree with the reasoning used by these concerned citizens but I am glad it was an effective means by which a massive waste of taxpayer dollars was averted.
It's not city funded - Sonic.net was providing all of the equipment as part of our Wi-Fi mesh project. Details here: »www.sonic.net/wifi/

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The new generation of Luddites are on the move.

A new generation of Luddites are on the move. Obviously the nit whits that are stopping progress are not the brightest bulbs in the string. They have not checked the statistics regarding medical mistakes. It is estimated that medical mistakes kill more than 100,000 people per year. I guess the first thing the Luddites should work on is closing all of the hospitals. The Luddites in this area prevented Sprint from constructing a new tower near my residence. It was to be constructed in the middle of a pasture. I guess they were afraid that the cows would begin producing steamed milk. As a result I had to drop a good bundled plan with Sprint because there was no signal from a Sprint tower in my area and move to Verizon where there is a separate charge for everything.

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Cordless Phones

There's been much discussion over the years regarding radiation from cell phones and now wifi, but never anything regarding the cordless phones which are so widely used. If there was merit to this issue I would imagine the cancer rate would have zoomed since cordless phones were introduced, which was long before cell phones became commonplace.
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I think we need to treat this like any public service.

These idiots have pressed their unfounded views around here locally too. It is time to treat cell phone towers and wi fi as necessary services just like water, power and telephone.

Quite correctly, I cannot stop the telephone co, the water co and the electric co from running wire, pipes etc for their services and I cannot prevent them from accessing their poles and cables in my back yard.

This is for the public good and we need to change the laws to keep up with the 21st century.
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Wow... seriously.

And how much of those people do you want to bet live near a cell tower or radio broadcast transmitter?

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Wrong Illness

These claims that (insert wireless technology here) cause allergic reactions have nothing to do with physical illness. This is classic attention-seeking behavior. If any of these people that were making these bogus claims were to see a psychologist just one time, the psychologist would tell you that.

The only illness these people have is psychological, maybe psychiatric.
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Wifi fear is just another imaginary monster

I must assure the public that there is nothing to worry about EM signals. More accurately, there is nothing that you can do about EM signals.

Radiation comes from everywhere, from the sky (at literally all directions), from the ground, every electronic device and even from the fire in your kitchen. Natural source of radiation is far stronger and prevalent in causing cancer than anything manmade.Even if they are dangerous, you cannot avoid it.

Thus, there is no place on earth, where you can avoid it, so a little more radiation here and there doesn't contribute much. As for those statistics, they don't mean anything because their result are not significant by statistical terms.

I agree that ionizations are more important than power in causing cancer. No common devices however are able emit radiations in those wavelenghts (the smaller the wavelenghts, the easier it is to knock electrons ~ is equivalent to ionization). Not mentioning the amount of doses required.

They might be more rational to be afraid of ghost than they should of common radiation. At least ghost cannot be proven to exist, radiation phobia however is simply stupid due to the abundance of science supporting common items safety levels.
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