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Cell Phone Cancer Risk Still Scientifically Unsupported
Despite Scuff Up Over WHO Classification
Back in May, the World Health Organization was forced to concede that the full jury remained out, and that radiation from cell phones could "possibly" increase cancer risks. While those who insist that wireless devices cause cancer saw this as proof positive of a cancer connection, the reality is that WHO was largely engaged in semantics, acknowledging a connection was within the realm of possibility -- but reiterating that supporting science was weak. Indeed, a review of existing data from Scientists in the UK, U.S. and Sweden released over the weekend found "no convincing evidence" of a cell phone cancer connection. "Although there remains some uncertainty, the trend in the accumulating evidence is increasingly against the hypothesis that mobile phone use can cause brain tumors in adults," the experts wrote in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives.
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Anon Name
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I bet...

"Although there remains some uncertainty, the trend in the accumulating evidence is increasingly against the hypothesis that mobile phone use can cause brain tumors in adults,"

...they go after the kids now!
pandora
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pandora

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Re: I bet...

What doesn't cause cancer?

hemp4meds
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hemp4meds

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Re: I bet...

THC kills cancer and precancer.
Look it up.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· =related
pandora
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pandora

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Re: I bet...

I googled THC causes cancer, and sure enough it does, at least per google.

At the same time, I'm 100% certain it doesn't per google, based on how you search.

Story here - »www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm

Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke. Examination of human lung tissue that had been exposed to marijuana smoke over a long period of time in a laboratory showed cellular changes called metaplasia that are considered precancerous. In laboratory test, the tars from marijuana smoke have produced tumors when applied to animal skin. These studies suggest that it is likely that marijuana may cause cancer if used for a number of years.

Widespread use and study of tobacco has provided more information than is available for cannabis. I still maintain it is hard to find a substance that doesn't cause cancer.

tshirt
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tshirt

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Re: I bet...

Using google causes cancer... Or maybe visiting doctors causes cancer

It is KNOWN that exposure to microwaves does cause biological cell changes, and It has been shown that heavy cell phone users have higher levels of glioma's near their predomenent ear.
So it is likely that cellphone played a role in the development.
exact how much exposure to modern cell phones for how long is what's in doubt.
the cerberus
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Re: I bet...

Tell that to cancer.org
»www.cancer.org/Cancer/Ca ··· d-cancer

non-ionizing radiation does NOT cause cancer.
cell phones, microwaves, radio waves all are non ionizing radiation and do NOT cause cancer because they do not damage DNA.

tshirt
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tshirt

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Re: I bet...

said by the cerberus:

Tell that to cancer.org
»www.cancer.org/Cancer/Ca ··· d-cancer

non-ionizing radiation does NOT cause cancer.
cell phones, microwaves, radio waves all are non ionizing radiation and do NOT cause cancer because they do not damage DNA.

You should read further down the page...
They said
"Cell phones and cell phone towers
Cell phones and cell phone towers use radiofrequency and low-level microwave radiation to transmit and receive signals. Neither cell phones nor cell towers have been conclusively linked to increased risks of cancer, but most researchers and government agencies agree that more research on cell phones is needed, especially with regard to long-term use and use among children. For more detailed information, refer to our documents, Cellular Phones and Cellular Phone Towers.

hemp4meds
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hemp4meds to pandora

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If smoke causes cancer, but THC kills cancer would it not be reasonable to assume that the THC counters the smoke?

It is true, cannabis does not cause cancer, your study is also true, there is carcinogens in smoke.

»www.washingtonpost.com/w ··· 729.html
pandora
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pandora

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Re: I bet...

My point was studies go both ways. On the issue of pot, I don't care. I was addressing the study about cell phones causing cancer. Your pot supporting reply caused me to look for a contrary article. It wasn't to indicate support or lack of support for the issue you have attached yourself to. Try checking the dihydrogen monoxide site instead as a better example. - »www.dhmo.org/

From the site -

The causative link between Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) and Cancer is currently not established, although a significant amount of evidence seems to suggest that DHMO at least plays a role in the formation of cancer, including: Hodgkin's Lymphoma,
Ewing's Tumor,
chondrosarcoma,
fibrosarcoma,
multiple myeloma,
colorectal cancer,
Leukemia,
basal cell carcinoma,
squamous cell carcinoma, and
malignant melanoma.

In case you tuned out the name, dihydrogen monoxide is water (H2O).

hemp4meds
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hemp4meds

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Re: I bet...

But studies dont go both ways, you only showed evidence that cannabis smoke may cause cancer, not the substance THC or the many other cannabinoids found in cannabis, which can be vaporized or taken orally.

Of course smoke is carcinogenic but would it not be logical that if THC kills cancer and precancer, it would counter the smoke?
The study I linked shows evidence for this theory.
pandora
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Re: I bet...

said by hemp4meds :

But studies dont go both ways, you only showed evidence that cannabis smoke may cause cancer, not the substance THC or the many other cannabinoids found in cannabis, which can be vaporized or taken orally.

I understand you want legal pot. I don't take issue with that.

At the same time, the point I am making is that there will always be a study that shows anything causes cancer. You seem to have missed my point, and instead are only able to focus on pot = good, anything not 100% positive toward legal pot = bad. Which sort of is the stereotype of a typical pothead.

We really have no argument, but you seem unable to let go. Calm down, I don't know, and frankly don't care if pot causes or cures cancer. My only point is that there will be a study to prove anything causes cancer if you look.

hemp4meds
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hemp4meds

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Re: I bet...

No, you dont get it.
THC doesnt cause cancer.
Everything else may, but THC is the cancer killer.

tshirt
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Tell that to my brother in law, who now fighting his third type of cancer, and about has 50 years of extreme THC exposure.
gorehound
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could be that all that lobbying money hides some secrets.
i am no scientist so i don't know nor am i some conspiracy theorist.
axiomatic
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Perspective people...

What we have here is an untapped market.

If someone would just produce a line of clothing with brass mesh linings I think you could make a killing.

Call it "Faraday clothing" or something descriptive like that. Certainly more fashionable than the guy in the pic with his sporty pajamas and vegetable sieve combo of "scare the children."
axiomatic

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Re: Perspective people...

Good grief.... this previously thought untapped market.... yeah its been tapped.

»www.lessemf.com/personal.html

I'll go back to living under my rock now.....
firewire9999
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Re: Perspective people...

LOL - The "BALACLAVA SHIELD" is a real funny one. Try walking threw an USA airport and watch the TSA come unglued.

pnh102
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With All Due Respect

Is it possible for BBR to simply stop giving this BS the time of day by posting any of these kinds of stories? The cell phone cancer "link" is an absolute, completely unproven myth that festers and resurfaces like a bad case of herpes.

There is no scientific evidence that conclusively links the two, and without any evidence of widespread brain cancers among the *billions* of cell phone users worldwide, it shouldn't even be making the news anymore.

AnonName
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Re: With All Due Respect

I agree with you! But I would like to say that any case of herpes is a bad case lol

firephoto
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said by pnh102:

There is no scientific evidence that conclusively links the two, and without any evidence of widespread brain cancers among the *billions* of cell phone users worldwide, it shouldn't even be making the news anymore.

No worries if it only affects a few people out of thousands.

But seriously, can you and others stop the BS that puts a generic blanket denial over anything to do with a single industry when it involves thousands of variables?

It's just like my old speaker setup and generic GSM phones. Move the phone around in the vicinity and while it's doing it's thing with a tower the speakers make some noise. Right before you get a call the speakers make some noise. Random times while talking to someone the speakers make some noise. Take a generic CDMA phone and the speakers never emit a noise from the phone interaction. It's not even close to comparing phones with cancer but I absolutely would be lying if i generically said "cell phones" interfere or don't interfere with stereo speaker systems because it's just not that simple.

The money is going to be on the side that finds nothing linking anything to cancer unless it's blatantly obvious because that's what any multi-billion dollar industry is going to spend money on. The "there's no solid proof" BS is what people say when they don't care about a "few" people dying. Emergency responders in New York City are a perfect example of this.
sonicmerlin
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Sigh

The problem is people don't understand WHO's classification scheme. The class they put phones into also includes pickles as "possible" causes of cancer. In other words, there's no real evidence, but *just to be sure*....

Paranoid people, who are in the tiny minority, are just being extremely vocal and scaring others. I wish someone would make them shutup. I don't see how their fearmongering is any different than someone yelling "fire!" at a theater.

battleop
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Re: Sigh

Cell phones have not been in use by the masses long enough to really prove it one way or another. Saying that there is no possible way it can cause cancer without real, long term studies in stupid. Maybe it takes 30 years of heavy daily use before you start to see a tumor show up. Maybe it takes 50 years. Either way no on has been walking around for 30-50 years with phone stuck to their head everyday.

How long did it take to finally decide that cigarettes were not so good for us after all?

I don't have an opinion one way or another becasue the evidence is not there to prove either side yet.

HappyAnarchy
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Re: Sigh

Apples and Sheep.

There are studies, and if we do in fact find out that Cel Phones cause cancer there are a whole lot of different things we are going to have to be looking at that involve substantially more radiation being delivered over a much longer source of time.

Chances are though, as the studies have shown in the preliminary stages the amount of radiation on modern cel phones is both incredibly small and extremely unlikely to cause any sort of harm. A large part being the lack of any means of transmitting harm that has been shown. There was one study that gave a possibility of causing harm, but when I actually read the abstract on the study it was reaching fairly hard.
tkdslr
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Re: Sigh

Obviously.. you're ignoring several variables which have been changing over time.

Higher frequencies of modern cell/wireless phones concentrate exposure by a cubed factor.. (I.E. 1/2 wavelength^3) Shorter wavelength, the more concentrated the field.

Similar factors apply to handset reduction in size which places antennas even closer to patients head and brain.

And signal levels you see on handset, often decrease as one places handset next to ear.. This in turn causes the handset to increase transmit output power significantly.

A vast majority of older studies ignored the variable output power aspect and should be discarded as unreliable.

Lastly, living cells are fundamentally based on millions of organically catalyzed chemical reactions using energies in the sub electron volt range. A significant RF field is going to shift equilibrium for those chemical reactions. The only question is in what percentage of the population are those changes resulting in harmful and/or deadly outcomes?

hemp4meds
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another lie perpetuated by the drug war.
its been known for a long time that cigarettes caused cancer, what took long was for us to build an age of free information.

»imgur.com/m39qQ
Almost 100 years ago there was proof that tobacco causes cancer.

I'd like to think we have better science and technology then 100 years ago.
How long are we going to wait for enough evidence?

battleop
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Re: Sigh

Testing methods that can simlate long terms can be flawed. The real world does not behave like a lab. The only time will tell. I my self don't have any plans on changing my cell habbits.

hatecancer
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maybe, maybe not

People have a better chance at catching cancer(initially skin cancer) form the tsa's human size microwave ovens.
»news.slashdot.org/story/ ··· ium=feed
quote:
"TSA employees at Logan International Airport believe they have identified a cancer cluster in their ranks, according to documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and released by the Electronic Privacy Information Center. They have requested dosimetry to counter 'TSA's improperly non-monitored radiation threat.' So far, at least, they have not received it. The documents also reveal a paper from Johns Hopkins that essentially questions whether it is even safe to stand near an operating scanner, let alone inside one. Also, the National Institute of Standards and Technology says that the Dept. of Homeland in-Security 'mischaracterized' their work by telling USA Today that NIST affirmed the safety of the scanners when in fact NIST does not do product safety testing and never tested a scanner for safety."

David
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David

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For some reason my 18 month old

wouldn't sleep at all this morning... I am going to blame it on cell phone use. He is using the ambient energy to stay awake and I am going to file a complaint!!