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Charter Cooking Up 300 Mbps Tier
Keeping Pace With Comcast, Verizon
by Karl Bode 08:48AM Tuesday Aug 21 2012
Several insiders have informed us, and at least one tech has suggested as much in our forums, that Charter Communications is working on creating a 300 Mbps service tier. There's no word on pricing yet, but the company's goal is to keep pace on the marketing front after both Comcast and Verizon FiOS have announced 300 Mbps tiers in recent weeks. Verizon's 300 Mbps tier offers 65 Mbps upstream and clocks in at $205 a month. Comcast's 305 Mbps down, 75 Mbps up tier was recently announced at $300, but as we recently exclusively reported looks to be getting a significant price cut to $119 a month (bundled). Despite numerous flirtations with hard caps and overages, Charter still only enforces their caps in high-volume markets.

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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
Reviews:
·ooma
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS

1%

At the pricing that 300mbit tiers have, it will only appeal to about 1% of residential internet subscribers...

When these tiers get significantly cheaper (say, 50+ percent reductions.. then you will see greater adoption of higher speed tiers). Google fiber is ready to prove 1gigabit can be sold for $70, so if the rest of the industry can't offer 300 megabit at $50, then there's something wrong with that picture if it take 5 years to get there.. that leaves plenty of time for Google to expand..
cryptic1911

join:2010-01-24
Willimantic, CT

Re: 1%

Oooh, if it's anywhere near the current 100mbit price, we'll be upgrading

lets just hope they don't jip us with 10mbit upload or something

googlepr

@verizon.net
said by tmc8080:

Google fiber is ready to prove 1gigabit can be sold for $70, so if the rest of the industry can't offer 300 megabit at $50, then there's something wrong with that picture if it take 5 years to get there.. that leaves plenty of time for Google to expand..

Google has only proven that they can do PR and not a real business case that says this is viable to expand beyond a marketing case.

Until we see the numbers or the executive commitment to actually deploy nationally, Google is doing nothing more than running a science experiment that will lose money and does not have the finance to back it up.

ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA

Re: 1%

K.C. is only an R&D case. They have no intention of ever going national.
ChrtrFanBoy6

join:2012-07-02

Re: 1%

If they find it extremely profitable I would not put it passed google to expand to other large cities.
me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO

Re: 1%

They would most likely expand to other kc metro areas and other cities IF it is very profitable. But aside wifi at from a few coffee shops near its kc hq google isnt even available here anywhere in kc yet.
FloridaBoy

join:2009-06-22
Bradenton, FL
First, lets see if Google can get it done or not.

I have my doubts because the larger you get, the more trucks you have to roll, the more call centers you have to have, the more employees you have to hire, and the more plant you have to have around for any breakage.

Personally, I doubt Google is ready for that.

ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA

Re: 1%

you don't know much about Google's networks do you?
FloridaBoy

join:2009-06-22
Bradenton, FL

Re: 1%

I never claimed I knew about Google's network specifically.

But, I can infer from other national carriers about what you have to have around to run one.

ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA

Re: 1%

the residential ISPs run some of the ugliest, rag tag, networks in the history of networking. How there is not more downtime/outages is beyond me.
Cobra11M

join:2010-12-23
Mineral Wells, TX

Re: 1%

said by ArrayList:

the residential ISPs run some of the ugliest, rag tag, networks in the history of networking. How there is not more downtime/outages is beyond me.

no kiddin.., its like they work on a 40 year old car but just patch it up every time it has a problem... instead of actually fixing it

TheOtherMoe

@charter.com

Re: 1%

I've had Charter internet for 5 months and it goes down every single morning. This is only relevant because I've been asking to talk to an engineer, since I stopped counting after service call number 12. They've only sent line techs.

I'm now convinced that Charter doesn't have any engineers working at the company. I think they buy equipment, and no one even knows what a CMTS is.

I wouldn't trust that they could pull this off.
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
I'm certainly not going to claim I didn't sleep through econ 101 but I'm not following this logic. Generally, larger means there are economies of scale that enhance profits, not reduce them. Am I missing something that only applies to carriers that makes this principle work in reverse?

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Thanks but no thanks

Heck I won't even consider their 100 Mbps tier. That's $110. I didn't even want it when it was $88. So no I won't be getting 300 Mbps. What is anyone realistically going to do with that? $60 would be the upper end of what I would pay for internet.
cryptic1911

join:2010-01-24
Willimantic, CT

Re: Thanks but no thanks

It all depends how you use it. If all you are doing is checking the weather, and some light web browsing, then no, you'll never need it.

If you download lots of large files and watch alot of streaming media, then it definately has its advantages. Look where we were 10 years ago, 2mbit internet was pretty fast, and noone really needed it at the time.. now 2mbit is like having dialup

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Re: Thanks but no thanks

said by cryptic1911:

It all depends how you use it. If all you are doing is checking the weather, and some light web browsing, then no, you'll never need it.

If you download lots of large files and watch alot of streaming media, then it definately has its advantages. Look where we were 10 years ago, 2mbit internet was pretty fast, and noone really needed it at the time.. now 2mbit is like having dialup

Listen Netflix's top bitrate is 5400 kbps. So even if you were using all 6 allowed streams at once that would be 31.6 Mbps. So I stand by my statement that 300 Mbps is overkill. As far as downloading large files. There are few if any places that would let you download at 300 Mbps or even 100 Mbps.
Chubbysumo

join:2009-12-01
Superior, WI
Reviews:
·Charter

Re: Thanks but no thanks

said by 88615298:

said by cryptic1911:

It all depends how you use it. If all you are doing is checking the weather, and some light web browsing, then no, you'll never need it.

If you download lots of large files and watch alot of streaming media, then it definately has its advantages. Look where we were 10 years ago, 2mbit internet was pretty fast, and noone really needed it at the time.. now 2mbit is like having dialup

Listen Netflix's top bitrate is 5400 kbps. So even if you were using all 6 allowed streams at once that would be 31.6 Mbps. So I stand by my statement that 300 Mbps is overkill. As far as downloading large files. There are few if any places that would let you download at 300 Mbps or even 100 Mbps.

Bullshit, i max out my current 100mbps speeds on most servers now for downloads, as well as torrents from well seeded torrents. I would happily take 300mbps down as long as the upload isnt terrible like the current 100/5 is. Seriously, 100mbps down should come with at least 10 up, and I bet the 300mbps tier will have 6mbps upload(in true charter fashion).

ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA

Re: Thanks but no thanks

Didn't you know, torrents are only used by thieves.
cryptic1911

join:2010-01-24
Willimantic, CT
I agree. I max out my 100mbit connection quite frequently on large downloads.

As for using Netflix at their top bitrate, yeah the numbers on paper equal ~31mbits, but I'd like to see you have 6 netflix streams going without quality drops on a connection that fast.

You need quite a bit of headroom to keep a connection steady. You can't have a 30mbit connection and expect 30mbit out of it all the time. Its more like have a 60mbit connection and average it somewhere in the middle. Plus, if you have anything that requires low latency connections, like gaming, running your connection near capacity will totally kill the response times.

Just because you don't personally have a need or use for it doesn't mean noone else will.

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Re: Thanks but no thanks

said by cryptic1911:

You need quite a bit of headroom to keep a connection steady. You can't have a 30mbit connection and expect 30mbit out of it all the time. Its more like have a 60mbit connection and average it somewhere in the middle.

A) No one will use all 6 streams.

B) you just said 60 Mbps need not 300 Mbps. That's a 5 fold difference.

Just because you don't personally have a need or use for it doesn't mean noone else will.

Did I say that Charter shouldn't offer it? What's the title of my thread? I believe I was talking about myself. YOU guys seem to have an issue that I don't have a need for 300 Mbps. And who is noone? Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits?

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
said by Chubbysumo:

Bullshit, i max out my current 100mbps speeds on most servers now for downloads, as well as torrents from well seeded torrents.

there you go. How about for LEGAL and LEGIT uses. Oh wait let me see you need to download 100 GB of Linux distros every day.
explorer514

join:2003-05-06
united state

Re: Thanks but no thanks

Regardless of percieved notions of 'legit' and 'legal' uses, (that fat brush may cover a lot but...) is it not in the interest of telco's to continually improve their services? I woudn't think that bottlenecks would be something we want to keep hanging around, especially in security and other arenas where more 'real time' data is of high value. I like that Charter is continually improving their speeds, services, and infrastructure. Resistance is futile. (yep, pun intended!)
desarollo

join:2011-10-01
Monroe, MI
That is an unfair statement. There is an incredible amount of public domain audio and video programs. Didn't they just release a few terabytes of old radio and film?

Plus, many cutting edge and underground content producers distribute via torrents because it crowd sources the expense of distribution. Not to mention, certain programs from the likes of CBC.

While there isn't hundreds of gigabytes of this type of content being distributed daily, it is enough to make the blanket statement that all the protocol is good for is stealing content is inaccurate. There are producers that use it as their method of distribution.

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Re: Thanks but no thanks

Ok 100 meg tier currently has a 500 GB cap. Let's assume 300 meg has the same cap. That's 16.7 GB per day average. If one could download at 100 Mbps it would take 23 minutes, to download 16.7 GB at 300 Mbps it would take about 7 1/2 minutes. So really 15 1/2 minutes extra for 16.7 GB is a big deal?
Bengie25

join:2010-04-22
Wisconsin Rapids, WI
Reviews:
·Solarus

Re: Thanks but no thanks

said by 88615298:

Ok 100 meg tier currently has a 500 GB cap. Let's assume 300 meg has the same cap. That's 16.7 GB per day average. If one could download at 100 Mbps it would take 23 minutes, to download 16.7 GB at 300 Mbps it would take about 7 1/2 minutes. So really 15 1/2 minutes extra for 16.7 GB is a big deal?

Let me go back in time a bit and use your same argument that has been used for a long while.

125kbit/s is overkill, 33.6kb/s is fine.

This is you.

SoulForge

@mhg.edu
I maxed out 150 on FiOS downloading game patches. Have you seen the size of MMO patches these days? So yeah.....I use that.

bobjohnson
Premium
join:2007-02-03
Orlando, FL
I would like to have 300mbps to steal my software and porn with. It's way better than 40mbps.

LightS
Premium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX
I will download 200gb of Linux Distro's a day just to spite your negative attitude.

Who cares what the pipe is used for.

fatpipe

join:2011-10-02
Austin, TX

Re: Thanks but no thanks

said by LightS:

I will download 200gb of Linux Distro's a day just to spite your negative attitude.

Who cares what the pipe is used for.

Well said LightS!

I may not agree with what you use the pipe for, but I will fight to the death for my right and your right to use the pipe for whatever you see fit.

So there!

LightS
Premium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX

Re: Thanks but no thanks

Exactly. Although, I should have said, "I will redownload the same Linux distro a thousand times a day just to spite you"

No hard feelings, but I think that the bandwidth should be available, regardless of the use.

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
said by LightS:

I will download 200gb of Linux Distro's a day just to spite your negative attitude.

Who cares what the pipe is used for.

it matters if it's legal or not? If your next door neighbor used his property as a crack house or meth lab or a brothel that doesn't matter to you because it's his property?

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Chubbysumo

join:2009-12-01
Superior, WI
Reviews:
·Charter
said by 88615298:

said by Chubbysumo:

Bullshit, i max out my current 100mbps speeds on most servers now for downloads, as well as torrents from well seeded torrents.

there you go. How about for LEGAL and LEGIT uses. Oh wait let me see you need to download 100 GB of Linux distros every day.

There are plenty of legal and legit torrents. If its not licensed in america, no american company is going to sue you for it. Also, steam updates download at the full 12.5MB/s, as do most game updates from other companies these days.
Expand your moderator at work
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
Yesterday I ran a speedtest while updating an online game. The I have 35/35 FiOS. When doing the update, the speed test came back as 5/1. So I'm sure the other people on my network were suffering at that moment.

SHoTTa35

@optonline.net

OOL Boost+ Boost please

Come on CableVision! Bump your 50Mbps plan to 105Mbps and your 101Mbps to 300Mbps for the same price and i'll be more than happy!

(I have the 50Mbps plan)

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09129800

join:2012-06-27
New York, NY

Caps

So, will this have caps like every other shit-tacular tier that Charter offers?

I wouldn't want it for $10 a month if it has bandwidth caps.

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Re: Caps

said by 09129800:

So, will this have caps like every other shit-tacular tier that Charter offers?

I wouldn't want it for $10 a month if it has bandwidth caps.

Charter's cap on the 100 Mpbs tier is 500 GB so I assume the cap on 300 Mbps tier would be no lower than that if there s one at all. Also Charter currently has TWO tiers. That's it.
WhyMe420
Premium
join:2009-04-06
kudos:1
said by 09129800:

So, will this have caps like every other shit-tacular tier that Charter offers?

I wouldn't want it for $10 a month if it has bandwidth caps.

Agreed!
siouxmoux

join:2007-09-25

And still ATT thinks 24/3 is fasting Internet you ever need.

How long will it take for ATT get with the times and roll out FTTP for everyone subscribe U-Verse

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Re: And still ATT thinks 24/3 is fasting Internet you ever need.

said by siouxmoux:

How long will it take for ATT get with the times and roll out FTTP for everyone subscribe U-Verse

Never.
ExoticFish

join:2008-08-31
Stuarts Draft, VA

305 for $119 huh ?

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but as we recently exclusively reported looks to be getting a significant price cut to $119 a month (bundled)
You can't seriously state this. That photo was a leaked photo, which holds absolutely no water to it's validity. You're also stating it's 305, which isn't shown in the picture. Come on, you can't pick and choose to create an "exclusive" report.
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