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Future of Time Warner Cable uncertain if Merger DeniedI wonder if Time Warner Cable will sell Charter part of Time Warner Cable if they can not afford to buy all of Time Warner Cable. | |
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2015-Mar-5 8:23 am
Re: Future of Time Warner Cable uncertain if Merger DeniedRob Marcus is looking unload all of TWC. That's what the potential "merger" talks last year was about. Charter was negotiating their $132.50 per share as opposed to TWC wanting $140/150 per share. | |
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Re: Future of Time Warner Cable uncertain if Merger DeniedThe reason Charter Communications was not accepted was due to Comcast offering them what they wanted and they also paid bonuses to the top management if the deal got approval. If the merger gets denied either by the FCC or the DOJ then that deal is off of the table so more than likely they will accept Charter's bid if they are still interested in selling all of Time Warner Cable. | |
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Merger has better chance of approval since broadband is under title IIComcast merger now has a good chance of getting regulatory approval since the FCC has reclassified broadband service under title II and now has the power to step in. Since Comcast and Time Warner Cable do not overlap in their service areas they can not be denied by taking away competition. But even if it is denied it looks like Charter is ready to step in to buy Time Warner Cable. | |
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Re: Merger has better chance of approval since broadband is under title IIThe overlap theory was never really an issue because cable overbuilding is quite limited--the divestitures was there not to trigger the % that has caused monopolies to be an issue in the past. That is the only reason for spinco, etc...
It its unknown yet what authority the FCC has under Title II, unless you could point us to that? I would be interested to know what they are actually trying to do.
Charter is the shell company for Liberty Media. This is essentially Malone trying to put his empire back together again.
It's not like Charter acquiring TWC is going to make everything all right. Outside of their scale, they are probably worse than Comcast at CS. Once the two combined expect CS to be just as bad or worse than Comcast.
Put plainly there are no positive outcomes here without solid 2/3 competitors in place. | |
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Re: Merger has better chance of approval since broadband is under title IIsaid by elefante72:The overlap theory was never really an issue because cable overbuilding is quite limited--the divestitures was there not to trigger the % that has caused monopolies to be an issue in the past. That is the only reason for spinco, etc...
It its unknown yet what authority the FCC has under Title II, unless you could point us to that? I would be interested to know what they are actually trying to do.
Charter is the shell company for Liberty Media. This is essentially Malone trying to put his empire back together again.
It's not like Charter acquiring TWC is going to make everything all right. Outside of their scale, they are probably worse than Comcast at CS. Once the two combined expect CS to be just as bad or worse than Comcast.
Put plainly there are no positive outcomes here without solid 2/3 competitors in place. They have the authority to reclassify broadband under title II but the FCC did not want to do that at first. But after Verizon Wireless wining their appeal they left the FCC with no choice but to reclassify broadband under title II. The FCC has already taken the vote now the only thing we are waiting for is for them to publish the change in the federal register. After it is published in the Federal Register it will become effective after 60 days. If they do sue which I am sure they will they will lose their lawsuit due to the fact they have the authority to reclassify them and they have the authority to enforce and create rules under title II. They did not have the authority to do that under Title I and that is why Verizon won the appeal. | |
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2015-Mar-5 5:56 pm
Re: Merger has better chance of approval since broadband is under title IIActually the FCC isn't given access to regulate. It was never a telecommunication service that's the thing. It was and is information. plus this has nothing to do with peering and such. Only last mile. Look for the private networks to come back and bite the FCC along with the court behind the gardens.
ISPs are already suing to get the rules as they were never open to comment before voting. All acts, rules, and laws need to be published first before voting. | |
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Re: Merger has better chance of approval since broadband is under title IIThe have the authority to reclassify even the court that threw out the last net neutrality rules said the FCC has the power to reclassify them. | |
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why did Malone get out of the cable business to begin with? Was he forced out at at&t broadband or did he willingly give up control? | |
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Google Please Rescue TWC Customers!Google, if you are out there, PLEASE buy Time Warner Cable (if the merger is blocked)! Purchasing TWC's assets and using their resources would be an easy way to launch Google branded HSI and CTV service nationwide... | |
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2015-Mar-5 5:57 pm
Re: Google Please Rescue TWC Customers!Pipe dream. Time to wake up. They're not even finished in LC let alone ready for customers in Austin | |
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Re: Google Please Rescue TWC Customers!I was implying that Google buy TWC and re-brand their cable TV and cable internet service. Keep TWC ground level employees and ditch their leadership team. This would solve broadband issues (caps, throttling, paid prioritization) for most of the nation. I wasn't implying that Google should launch their (virtual vaporware) Google Fiber project nationwide. | |
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Great..Like Charter hasn't screwed Bresnan up enough here. Let's throw TWC into the mix as well.
Charter is becoming another Comcast. | |
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Re: Great..I would love if charter would be another comcast. comcast dvr's are awesome. | |
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2015-Mar-5 7:10 pm
Re: Great..Comcast is currently in plans rolling out a better spectrum dvr with 1TB don't know how mny tuner I am assuming 6. » www.multichannel.com/new ··· x/386685 | |
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Re: Great..My Dad's current dvr with comcast is pretty good. He lives in the SF bay area. His can record about 500 hours of hd and he has 5 tuners. He can click on the show and any episode that's in the on-demand library will popup through all of the other menus to access. That's pretty cool | |
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2015-Mar-5 7:39 pm
Re: Great..I have a TWC 6 tuner dvr 1 TB DVR. Comcast DVR can't record 500 hours I think you meant 500GB. Atleast Charter is starting to roll out the world box. I just read the world box can go up to 16 tuners. » www.lightreading.com/cab ··· d/712892 | |
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2015-Mar-5 1:07 pm
Would this be an improvement over TWC?For those of you who are currently under Charter, or may be affected by this deal, would this be an improvement or not? Is Charter a data cap-happy provider? Do they invest more in their infrastructure? What kind of tiers does Charter offer? Do they have plans with >5mbps upload? | |
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Re: Would this be an improvement over TWC?Charter use to have a cap of 250gb however that has disappeared. Their standard speed is currently 60mps / 4mbps. They do not appear to offer any speeds above 5mbps upload. They are slightly less pricey than TWC and Comcast for their standard internet at a higher speed, but they do not offer lower speed tiers. I think Charter is less objectionable than Comcast buying TWC only because they do not own television networks and they to this point have not tried to extort money out of Netflix as well as they have not been talking yet of charging for cap overages. Of course if they do buy Time Warner cable it may make them large enough so that we have an evil 4 instead of an evil 3. | |
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2015-Mar-5 4:43 pm
Re: Would this be an improvement over TWC?slightly cheaper? I pay $52 for 60 Mbps with Charter. If the Comcast/TWC deal goes through I get switched to Comcast and have to pay $66 for 25 Mbps or $77 for 50 Mbps. Also Charter has no cap. Comcast 300 GB cap. I would have paid over $60 in overages each month in December and January. NOT happy. I hope the FCC denies the merger. DO NOT WANT to be part of Comcast. | |
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Re: Would this be an improvement over TWC?I agree with you! I am in the same boat, I said slightly cheaper since Charters official rate is now $59.99 per month. But they also don't charge a modem rental fee. Also, Comcast dings you an extra $15 if you don't subscribe to cable. | |
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Makes more senseCharter is an also-ran, and these days so is TW. It makes much more sense (from a consumer perspective) for TW and Charter to join and stand against Comcast, then it does for TW and Comcast to join and bully Charter et al out of existence. | |
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2015-Mar-6 1:28 am
Re: Makes more senseNeither Charter nor Time Warner will ever stand "against" Comcast. They don't compete with each other, and are unlikely to ever overbuild such that they would. Folks are against "Mega Comcast" understandably, but the end result of blocking it is that TWC's customers just end up being stuck with an even shittier company that's even less interested in innovating. Lose-lose proposition. | |
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It is probably going to be approvedAt this point I see the merger being approved with conditions due to the fact that broadband is under title II and what Comcast and Time Warner Cable were doing is now illegal. The FCC now has the power to go after them if they continue these practices as a merged entity. | |
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Re: It is probably going to be approvedReasons why Title II should have no impact on Comcast / TW merger and why it should be denied: 1. Comcast is threatening to sue, saying the Title II implementation is illegal. 2. The FCC regulates Title II, The FTC is who will determine if this merger should go through. 3. Since Comcast owns Broadcasting companies they have a conflict of interest when it comes to offering fair and reasonable internet service due to competing video services. 4. A large Comcast has the ability to leverage and unfairly negotiate with other broadcasting companies and content providers. 5. Comcast has a history of uncompetitive an bad behavior, for example refusing to validate so that customers can use services on devices other than cable boxes, such as video game consoles and Roku. 6. Their poor customer service. 7. Comcast has shown by past behavior that they cannot be trusted. I am sure there are others people can add to this list. | |
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2015-Mar-5 6:02 pm
Re: It is probably going to be approvedBut they do not compete which is the kicker. Nothing changes | |
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2015-Mar-5 7:13 pm
Re: It is probably going to be approvedYes Charter and Comcast overlap in Saint Paul. That market is going to greatland. So pretty much parts of Saint Paul will be Charter competing with Greatland owned by Charter. » consumermediallc.files.w ··· rked.jpg | |
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Re: It is probably going to be approvedBut if the FCC saw it as in issue they could be made to sell that market as a condition as well. | |
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2015-Mar-5 7:18 pm
Re: It is probably going to be approvedbut there is a 50/50 chance/ Title 2 have nothing to do with this merger. | |
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Re: It is probably going to be approvedTitle II address Comcast ability to decide the losses and winners of the internet. Before title II they could continue to manipulate or slow down traffic to the point where their competitors service did not work. But with the FCC ruling it would be illegal for them to do that and they would have the authority to enforce those rules. So Title II regulation also effects the merger. If they did not reclassify broadband then most likely the merger would have been denied but is has a better chance of being approved due to title II reclassification. | |
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I worked for Comcast and now work for Charter. They may have physical plant in the same cities as each other but none of the physical RF/Coax plant compete with each other. Example being Rogers, MN. One side of town is Comcast and the other side is Charter. In no part of Minnesota do they compete with each other. | |
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2015-Mar-6 7:41 pm
Re: It is probably going to be approvedThen can you explain this and also overlaping with TWC in LA. The last apartment I live you guys overlap and I had shit services. Problems I had with Charter are. Stop lying and tell the truth. In parts of Hanover, Burnsvile, and Anoka champlin Comcast and Charter compete with CL. 1. pixelation 2. still giving out SA 2000 in 2015 3. Shit equipment 4. Shitter CS then TWC 5. Shitter retenctions department that won't offer an incentive to lower my bill so I canceled in 2010. » consumermediallc.files.w ··· rked.jpg | |
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1. But Comcast has no legal grounds to have title II thrown out. The only reason they were able to get it thrown out before is the FCC tried to regulate an information service which is title I.
2. The FCC and the DOJ decide wether or not the merger should go thru not the FTC.
3. Yes but they could be made to sell NBC Universal as part of a condition of the merger.
4. that is possible
5. Comcast is not required to make it's services available on internet devices only cable card devices.
6. Time Warner Cable and Charter has poor customer service as well.
7. they have but most of the concern with the merger is with them being the gate keeper of the internet which was addressed with title II regulation. | |
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Re: It is probably going to be approved1. I hope you are right. 2. Actually doing some research all three, the FTC, the DOJ and the FCC have jurisdiction over the deal. 3. It would be interesting to see if Comcast would be willing to divest themselves of NBC Universal and their regional sports networks for the deal to fly. 4. We agree 5. True, but it another example of how they use their market dominance to curtail competing services. 6. Again true, but I threw that in since it certainly doesn't help their cause, being the most hated. 7. Perhaps, but their past proves they should not be trusted with such a high percentage of the countries HSI. Not to mention they use their market dominance to charge some of the highest rates with slower speeds of any of the cable companies and want to enforce Caps with overages. | |
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Re: It is probably going to be approvedFederal Trade Commission does have say. You are right I am wrong. I thought they only handled disputes or false advertising. I double check and they also handle anti competitive business practices and monopolies. | |
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What were they doing??? they were not throttling anyone. It was nothing but a peering at which the gov't has no right to get into the middle of. And the courts get the finalist, not the FCC who will be spending your tax money for something that doesn't even exist. | |
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Re: It is probably going to be approvedThe reason the Government got involved was Comcast was intentionally letting that traffic degrade to extract money out of Netflix. Either pay us Comcast or go out of business. Netflix was barely able to stream SD it was so congested let alone HD. The peering provider even offered to pay for the upgrades and Comcast refused until Netflix paid their randsom. | |
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If Charter Buys Time WarnerIf Charter buys Time Warner I'm selling any house in Time Warner territory that I may inherit it and buy a house in Mediacom/I'mOn territory aka Iowa.
Charter is the most consumer unfriendly company (as I've heard) out there. I'd rather have Comcast or Mediacom.
Time Warner should stay Time Warner.
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