Chaska $17 3Mbps Wi-FiCNN/Money explores the 'hype' ( old news - 03:05PM Thursday Apr 13 2006) tags: wirelessCNN/Money stops by the Minnesota town of Chaska, which, as we have mentioned previously, is fed by a Gigabit fiber backbone, allowing all seven project access points to deliver up to 3Mbps of bi-directional bandwidth to each user, anywhere in the suburb. Each account comes with 10MB of web-space, five e-mail accounts, and a "promise" of 99.999% reliability: all for $17 a month. The CNN report however indicates many people aren't using the bandwidth, and the author seems aghast the Wi-Fi didn't bring about some kind of cultural revolution in the year and a half its been operational: "Based on this hype, I went to Chaska about 17 months ago, expecting a glimpse into the future - a place where families are online all the time and where offices are practically non-existent because everyone is hanging around the town square answering e-mails and filing reports from their laptops. Instead, I found a town that was utterly average - maybe even a little backward - in its broadband usage." 2,400 households, or 30 percent of homes, subscribe to the service. Many of those use the service from home, instead of via laptop. Related:- Wireless Broadband Via LEDs
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  RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL
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| The problem is... ...that most people don't care.
Good for Chaska, though. At least they walk the walk instead of just talking about it. Hopefully there will be somewhere for them to walk to eventually.
These projects will never bring about a "cultural revolution". Almost all such municipal straw-grasping ends up failing in its original mission. See: Downtown malls. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
|  |  achuchma
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| Re: The problem is... said by RadioDoc :...that most people don't care. Agreed...While things like Chaska, Project Lightspeed, Fios, etc. are nice, they are not going to bring us into some "Buck Rogers" land.
Life will continue as normal, just with faster access... -- Bring back chicken and potato chips - Vote Perot! | |
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| Re: The problem is... What do you guys want? This is the number one site on the internet devoted to broadband news. If you don't like hearing about municipal wireless broadband that's dirt cheap, or Lightspeed or FIOS or whatever, then don't read/post here, there are many different forums on this site that can cater to your needs, and there are thousands more across the internet for you to choose from.
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|  |  |  |   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL
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| Re: The problem is... said by Tzale :What do you guys want? This is the number one site on the internet devoted to broadband news. If you don't like hearing about municipal wireless broadband that's dirt cheap, or Lightspeed or FIOS or whatever, then don't read/post here, there are many different forums on this site that can cater to your needs, and there are thousands more across the internet for you to choose from. -Tzale Someone take away your rattle?
Geez, nobody's complaining about the story. What the hell are you talking about? -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
|  |   fireflier Coffee. . .Need Coffee Premium join:2001-05-25 Limbo | Hmm. Seems like our utopian dreams of technological wonders are being stymied by excessive numbers of technically illiterate. Damn. . . -- I'd kill for a Nobel peace prize! | |
|  |  |  |  |  nasadude
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| said by RadioDoc :...that most people don't care. ... I don't think it's a matter that most people don't care, it's a matter of using the service with what you have. I wouldn't run out and buy a laptop just to use this service, but I would sure jump on 3M/3M at $17/mo for my home use on my desktop.
I'm not sure why the reporter thought it would be "buck rogersville" with people lounging everywhere hooked to the 'net. Although the article doesn't address it, this wi-fi system is probably the only internet choice besides dial-up for that town.
With the monopoly environment in this country, wi-fi is simply a third way to bridge the last mile and to more easily serve rural areas. | |
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| Re: The problem is... I think that if you surveyed people in Chaska the majority would be rather ho-hum about the whole thing. That doesn't mean I don't think it's not a good idea (it appears to be being financed entirely through user fee income, although that water bill tie-in is troublesome). Just that a minority of folks give a crap about high speed access. Most don't even know what "speed" they're getting.
They seem to be getting a lot of fixed installations, which is good. The roaming-with-your-laptop aspect is fluff. Their coverage map shows very spotty hotspot availability. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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| said by nasadude :said by RadioDoc :...that most people don't care. ... I don't think it's a matter that most people don't care, it's a matter of using the service with what you have. I wouldn't run out and buy a laptop just to use this service, but I would sure jump on 3M/3M at $17/mo for my home use on my desktop. I'm not sure why the reporter thought it would be "buck rogersville" with people lounging everywhere hooked to the 'net. Although the article doesn't address it, this wi-fi system is probably the only internet choice besides dial-up for that town. With the monopoly environment in this country, wi-fi is simply a third way to bridge the last mile and to more easily serve rural areas. its worth $17 just for that 3 megs of UPLOAD alone assuming the TOS isn't too restrictive. -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
|  |  |  |   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL | Re: The problem is... No servers. At all. | |
|  |  |  |  |   G_Poobah
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| Re: The problem is... The way to win, is to make the 'next big thing'. How about a nice, tivo like appliance based on mythtv, where everyone joins a mesh network to subscribe to a TV show. You an use the ratings, etc, join and leave shows, download and upload all the tv shows in your town as part of a group mind. Download, watch and rate and entire season. Do the same thing for music, like a slimedevices mp3 player. Or share DVD's with your friends and neighbors, rating good/bad/ehh.
Go down to what people want. It all comes down to exposure to what's available. Ask yourself how many Tivo users will ever go back to watching TV without a TV? I'd save very very few.
The internet is about empowerment. It's about making you, the individual, more powerful, more informed, better educated about the issues, and most importantly, a customer, not a consumer. It's about sticking it to the man, about doing things the way YOU want to do things. It's about non-conformity, it's about exposure to the world. It's the anti-thesis to the small minded isolationists. It's a big world, and we're only a small part of it. And as long as Americans are content to eat whats fed to them by the megacorps, we will continue to fall farther and farther behind. We have seen the enemy, it's not communism, it's not muslim extremist, it's not even canadians.. It is us. -- Flabby? pastey-skinned? riddled with phlebitis? Then you've got a good Republican body! So compare your lives to mine, and then kill yourself. | |
|  |   dvd536 as Mr. Pink as they come Premium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ | five 9's for $17/mo? kind of lets you see how badly you're getting ripped off by your provider on your SLA. -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
|  nucci6
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| Office workers in the park??? Not likely until management style changes. You can have all the broadband you want but if management wants employees chained to their desks you are *not* going to see reports filed from the park.
In far too many circumstances telecommuting is still dangled as a perk only to the privileged elite. | |
|   dadkins Land of Confusion Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA
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| Yeah... "2,400 households, or 30 percent of homes, subscribe to the service. Many of those use the service from home, instead of via laptop."
Wonder how many even own a laptop. I'm willing to bet those that do, enjoy this freedom. Too bad most people still think laptops aren't real computers. Some laptops eat desktops... and you aren't tethered to a desk!  -- Think outside the Fox... Opera | |
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| BBR users are not typical of average community
City Manager Dave Pokorney is realistic about what broadband means for Chaska - perhaps more realistic than the companies pushing municipal Wi-Fi projects.
"We get reporters calling all the time, thinking everyone is running around holding up their laptops," he said in a recent phone interview. "The biggest draw is affordable high-speed Internet in the home. People who didn't feel they could afford or justify high-speed can now have it."
But Chaska's experience shows that broadband societies aren't created overnight. And for some portion of the population - people who can't afford or don't want computers, for example - cheap or free broadband won't be a presence in their lives. "This isn't a panacea," admits Earthlink CEO Garry Betty. "It isn't going to solve all the problems of the world. But it does provide people with alternatives." This is the reality instead of the hype. Broadband will continue to expand, but at a steady rate. It won't be some explosion that changes the world overnight, no matter how hard some think it should.
P.S.> Link to Chaska's WiFi service: »www.chaska.net/mkpage.cgi?servic···_details
Unlimited usage, always on, internet access, Plus; 5 email accounts and 10 MB web space for $16.99 per month.
Connection speeds are comparable to cable or DSL. Most users will experience speeds that are approximately 1Mb bi-directional, but speeds may fluctuate between 250k and 3Mb. The only question not being asked is - Is the service making enough to cover the cost of the Bonds that financed the project? -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page | |
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| Re: BBR users are not typical of average community said by TK Junk Mail :The only question not being asked is - Is the service making enough to cover the cost of the Bonds that financed the project? It doesn't need to be asked... that's what taxes are for! -- Rove / Rumsfeld 2008! | |
|  |  |  |  |   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL
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| said by FAQ :
Q) Does the chaska.net service stay connected 24/7 or does it have to connect every time I want to use it?
(A) The chaska.net service is an "always on" connection. We will be requiring that users log on via a web page to utilize the service, but this will only happen once every 24 hours. Ouch. So much for replacing a cable or DSL connection. VoIP? Forget it if you forget to log in every day.
said by TOS :
Processes run by your Account must be run interactively. Unattended processes will be terminated.
"Processes" means bots, server processes such as ftp, telnet, http, ssh, smtp, pop3, etc. running on an automatic or manual basis.
Chaska may terminate unattended or inactive connections. The User shall be responsible for any connection overage charges resulting from extended usage or failure to disconnect. So much for using it for anything other than web surfing and email.
"Connection overage charges"? Hmmmmm...where is that defined or priced out? -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
|   soundtank Holy Cow Premium join:2006-02-07 Harwood Heights, IL edit: April 13th, @04:21PM
| I wish we have this Man, why wont they offer this in our area?? $17 for 3Mbps WI-FI, what a deal for my parents because they only use the internet for e-mail and surfing. | |
|   TW Mpls
@170.135.x.x | If the author can't get her basic facts straight... ...I toss the whole article.
"But omnipresent broadband has done little to change the rhythm of life in this friendly, mildly affluent town just 25 miles east of Minneapolis."
Chaska is 25 miles *WEST* of Minneapolis. 'Nuff said. | |
|  |   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL | Re: If the author can't get her basic facts straight... LOL. Yeah the aroma of cheese is much stronger 25 miles east... -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
|  v_lestat The Blood Is The Life
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| 3meg wireless per user ? their dreaming. too bad it wont work.
any isp wifi access point on the market can only delivery 54meg aggregate bandwidth which leaves 20-30 MAX realtime thruput. and thats best case, best signal possible not very far from the AP. so what they are going to have hundreds of access points up all over the place ? i dont see that happeneing as the cost facotr would be insane and it would take them years to make back their money .. hell even at 512k connections which would be the normal for wireless ISP connections it takes that long to make their money back.
3meg per client i dont see that as a feasible thing unless they are going to literally cake the are with an ungodly amount of access points and then they would still need several microwave backhauls back to the POP or some fiber drops at each AP. -- System SpecsAMD64 3200+ Venice @2.9ghz Water CooledDFI SLI-DR 1gig OCZ PC4800 Elite -Modded Audigy2 ZS w/ 3 AD8620 OPAMPS chips -2x 36gig Raptors + 120gigeVGA 6800GT WaterCooledLogitech Z5300 THX 5.1 spk | |
|  |  fiberguy My views are my own. Premium join:2005-05-20 | Re: 3meg wireless per user ? their dreaming. "it's never work"..
you know, you sound like the guy from the hana barbara cartoons.
I guess to all the people that said nothing above 1.5mb DSL would never work were absolutely correct too, right? | |
|  |   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL | They've got over 200 APs deployed already. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
|   TheTonyMN
@170.135.x.x | re:3meg wireless per user ? their dreaming. This isn't theoretical. This is what the users in the network, which has been around for a few years, get. | |
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| Re: re:3meg wireless per user ? their dreaming. TheTonyMN or TW MPLS, who ever you are, can you pick a handle already?
So they missed the direction on Chaska.. big deal.
Why is everyone so negative about this article? This may not be "the best thing" for Chaska (which some would disagree) being so close to the major metro area, but this technology has to start somewhere. (For the record, anyone that knows the twic cities would stop thinking and using the lable Minneapolis since MPLS is just one of many cities in a 13 county metro that makes up this HUGE population area)
What is the ultimate complaint in this country? Choice? access? Black holes? This stuff has to start SOMEWHERE... right?
I find it completely rediculous that people are even bitching about this article to begin with in this thread.
For those of you in the boondocks, just remember smaller towns like Chaska and others that are deploying these services when you finally get SOMETHING in your areas..
What this story has proven so far is that people will bitch about anything. | |
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| Re: re:3meg wireless per user ? their dreaming. >sarcasm You mean MPLS stands for Minneapolis? I always got it confused with Multi Protocol Label Switching. For the Vikings it means Mulitple Players Leaving Simultaneously.
Just joking, I have no knock on the Twin Cities. It's a great town. | |
|  |  |  |  fiberguy My views are my own. Premium join:2005-05-20 | Re: re:3meg wireless per user ? their dreaming. Oh,.. feel free to bash the Vikings all you want! We do.. Minnesotans, I've learned, are fare weathered fans.. But you are right, the Twin Cities is a great place! | |
|  hooligan805
join:2004-09-01 Oxnard, CA | Has anyone here been to Chaska? I have been to Chaska, it is a small town that acts more or less as a hub for the surrounding farming communitys so its not much of a shock to see that not too many people are taking advantage of the services provided. | |
|  SoilFlames Premium join:2002-03-17 Andover, MN clubs: | well... ehh...what's worse is when your with network support explaining to people that theirs an MPLS connection point in minneapolis. | |
|   Surfinusa Premium join:2001-02-08
| More to Life then just the Internet Why not? The world keeps turning with or without it. The computer has cost people their jobs and made new jobs. Take a break go for a walk see a movie. Try stay away from the computer for 30days and your cured.. lol if you dare.  | |
|   ztmike 1kwikgt Premium join:2001-08-02 | free i get free wireless highspeed in my apartment i usally get about 2,100down 350up from verizon...i miss my comcast though very low ping times...here they jump to much | |
|  Tim19
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| yea.. My mom lives in chaska, pretty much a slow town, and the farming communities just west of chaska are essentially stuck on unreliable dialup. They could use some of this wi-fi too you know  | |
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