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| Re: Not quite sure here... The thing about getting a prescription filled at a local or even more trust-worthy place is that you can be more certain that everything is cool. I see all these horror stories where someone picks up an antibiotic from the pharmacist for there 5 year old and end up getting sedatives that kill them.
Pharmacist do more than just fill a prescription, they verify that everything is cool for the patient. Kind of a second check on the doctor. If a patient is allergic to one thing or taking another prescription that may cause problems the local pharmacists is likely to catch it (and care).
But if you are looking for some viagra fine. If you are addicted to pain killers I guess you make that choice and basically take out government regulation on the matter.
But what if you like to take that abortion pill 6 months into your pregnancy? How about some date rape pills for the night out? Maybe you would like to make some money selling stuff to the kids at the playground and can get an unlimited supply without any one really knowing who you are and without questioning you? | |
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| Re: Not quite sure here... Maybe you would like to make some money selling stuff to the kids at the playground and can get an unlimited supply without any one really knowing who you are and without questioning you? You really think "dealers" go to childrens playgrounds/schoolyards and set-up shop for drugs? Have you ever encountered anyone walking up to you at the grocery store and offering to sell you drugs? It doesn`t happen at your kids school during recess either. People who sell drugs sit in their homes and word of mouth will bring them all the "business" they can handle.
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| Re: Not quite sure here... Nice, I am glad you got it down.
You missed my point though. If you, percboy, are sitting in your home selling pecocet to kids that heard it word of mouth from drugs you bought online, then maybe you should not be allowed to buy drugs without questions.
It is not a debate about how to sell drugs to kids, that is probably in another forum. It is about buying prescription drugs online without questions.
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Jacksonville, OR | Re: Not quite sure here... Why would the "kid" wait for recess time? Why not order it direct from the same online pharmacy from the schools high speed connection in the library? | |
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detth
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Astoria, NY | actually the pharmacist has all that info on a computer - info concerning patients drug history, allergy history etc.
Not much thinking to do for them.
They may check with a doctor once in a while but thats about it. | |
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| Re: Not quite sure here... said by detth  :
actually the pharmacist has all that info on a computer - info concerning patients drug history, allergy history etc.
Not much thinking to do for them.
Sadly that's a whole lot more than most doctors will do and as simple as it is it does save lives.
It's frightening how frequently some doctors screw up.
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| Problem I would have is what kind of quality control is there going to be from some medication coming from a 3rd world country. You can have a medication error here, we've all seen that on 20/20, but my local dr and pharmacist have their reputations on the line and they know it. Not sure about the 'pharmacy' in Pakistan.
As for spam, by keyword/time:
'prescription' one every 2h 32m 55s
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| Re: My neighbor..... said by Dude :
My neighbor buys online from Canada but he does need a prescription from his primary doctor. This kind of business is outright dangerous. This means that someone could say that they have extreme pain and get pain killers. And then Overdose
In some countries in Europe, you can just walk into a pharmacy and get whatever you want without a prescription (Not to mention the prices are excellent). I don't remember seeing a prescription drug problem over there Why are we that dumb over here? We can't handle anything. | |
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| Re: My neighbor..... You can't prevent someone who wants to commit suicide from doing so, they will use whatever they can get their hands on be it tylenol, those mushrooms growing in their front yard, or the closest tall building.
The intent of keeping high powered painkillers (narcotics) from being available to the general public is to keep people from getting addicted to them and then accidentally O.D.'ing on them.
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| Two Agencies to Fight Online Narcotics Sales quote:
Two federal agencies, the Food and Drug Administration and the Drug Enforcement Administration, have formed a special task force to crack down on the growing tide of illicit sales of narcotics on the Internet.
And for the first time, regulators are hinting that those who order the drugs may face prosecution. "It's illegal to import narcotics," Mark B. McClellan, the F.D.A. commissioner, said in an interview. "We do have steps in place to intercept such products and to take further legal action."
The task force, called Operation Gray Lord, will include officials from the Justice Department, some local law enforcement agencies and perhaps even top law enforcement officers from Canada because much of the trade originates there. Task force members intend to pursue the purveyors of prescription narcotics aggressively, but they acknowledge the difficulty of the task.
Many of the sites are based in countries where the sales are legal, and officials have few hopes that they will be able to intercept every package sent through the mail. Many of the packages bear fake customs certifications, making them especially difficult to track.
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»www.nytimes.com/2003/10/18/techn···RUG.html
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| Does it really matter who fleeces you? From the article:
At the center of the shadow market are the "diverters" -- armies of little-known brokers who illegally gain control of discounted medicines intended for nursing homes, hospices and AIDS clinics. Those drugs are supposed to be sold only to small pharmacies that serve those facilities and have no retail business. In return for favorable prices from drug manufacturers -- as much as 80 percent off -- the pharmacies must enter into contracts pledging not to resell those drugs on the open market. For that reason, they are also known as "closed-door pharmacies."
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The diverters take the discounted drugs, mark up the prices and rapidly move them to small wholesalers who add another markup and sell to other wholesalers. In some cases, pharmaceuticals may change hands six or more times, going from state to state.
No one knows how big the drug diversion market is. State and federal investigators say losses easily amount to billions of dollars annually.
Losses to whom? The three "master" pharmaceutical distributors in the United States? The manufacturers themselves? Ultimately, the patient gets fleeced, regardless of the path the medication took from the manufacturer to the local pharmacy. Funny how this reminds me of the drug lords in the 'hood getting a bit uppity when a rival moves in on their turf.
One tidbit that you probably won't read about in this series of articles (and that most patients are completely unaware of) is the apparent price-fixing of prescription medications. If you examine the prices for similar brand-name medications in a given class of pharmaceuticals (e.g. lipid-lowering agents, antidepressants, etc.), you'll frequently find that the monthly cost between the different drugs varies less than 5%. Any one manufacturer could easily corner the market (at least temporarily) by drastically reducing the price of their medication, but that never happens. Curious, don't you think?
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| Re: Does it really matter who fleeces you? Dan,
The 'three "master" pharmaceutical distributors in the United States' have absolutely nothing to do with the prices of drugs. The prices are set by the manufacturers, who I agree are guilty of at least tacit collusion.
They do lower prices all the time and these cuts are matched within days by other manufacturers. There seem to be rules about how much the price will go down and when.
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|  Another Thing
Health insurance benifits are being more restrictive and/or going down.
What do you do if you're on a fixed income?
Scenario :
You go to a doctor, who diagnoses a condition, which requires a expensive medication. You go to have it filled & are told it is not covered under your plan. Sure, you can file a protect with the insurance company, but that could take weeks! You need the drug NOW. You find that you can order it on-line, at a fraction of the cost. What are you going to do?
The first group that comes to mind are the elderly, who can require a lot of perscriptions. But it can cover a wider group. A lot of people have no medical coverage at all, or just minimal. Also, someone can say "I know someone who has my condition and they take xxx. I don't have to go to a doctor, I'll just order xxx online". But they don't know what they're doing, have no medical advice. Even something like Viagra shouldn't be taken by certain people.
And if the drugs are ordered from outside the US [or even inside] you don't always know what you are getting. It may be expired, a generic or something that is seen as a substitute. There is no quality control.
I have to admit, I didn't think of the angle of buying the pills & peddling them, but that's an issue too.
And the reason that things are cheaper in Europe is over there, more emphasis is placed on the individual. If they take something that's going to screw them up, it's their own fault so they think more about what they do. Everything is not idiot proofed [I apologize if I'm wrong on this, I don't have any first hand info, but going through what other people have told me] | |
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| Why Buy Online? I would rather buy cheaper and more powerful street drugs than buy 30 Vicodins for $170 from some online pharmacy. Guess most white collars figure a prescription narcotic from a quack overseas is safer than herion. Stupid paradigms. Go figure that drug addicts will go to nearly any means to get their fix. Treatment is what addicts of all drugs need, not mandatory minimum sentences. | |
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/dev/null | They also sell some not-so-legal drugs online. I dont know what the big thing with painkillers is, I have bottles and bottles of them from a few times I've had surgery and never had to take more then 2 or 3. | |
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| Re: Why Buy Online? said by joako :
They also sell some not-so-legal drugs online. I dont know what the big thing with painkillers is, I have bottles and bottles of them from a few times I've had surgery and never had to take more then 2 or 3.
Like oxycontin 80's. here in the ghetto(on the streets) they sell for $125 per PILL! (these are what rush limbaugh got busted buying blackmarket)
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| Pricing online is horrible for patients and this just makes it worse for people that have lasting or long term chronic pain and people on fixed incomes that are permanently disabled, survived cancer and live with chronic pain.
Vicoden ES is closer to candy. Try getting Hydromorphone 4mg or 8mg online with no script. Let me know, K?
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Doctor Olds
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| Mexico, baby Big Pharma in these United States of, by and for the corporations is nothing but a giant, federally sanctioned con-game just like socialist security is. The reason why meds are so expensive in this country is because pharmaceuticals are the essence of corporate greed who with-hold lifesaving medicines and charge top dollar to those who still have health insurance.
Bottom line: 40 million uninsured people in this country and corporate greed run amok. Big Pharma is just the tip of that iceberg. Is it any wonder why people are going to TJ and/or Canada and/or ordering online to buy their meds. Don't demonize the consumer, hold the pharmaceuticals responsible for being so f*cking greedy they charge a dying person the highest amount they can extort.
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| Re: Mexico, baby major marco makes perfect sense.
My ulcer medication is so high I can barely pay for it, I dont know which is worse the price I pay or not being able to sleep at night.
If I knew I could get the same thing (genuine) at 1/3 the price, hell I would. | |
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| said by major marco :
Big Pharma in these United States of, by and for the corporations is nothing but a giant, federally sanctioned con-game just like socialist security is. The reason why meds are so expensive in this country is because pharmaceuticals are the essence of corporate greed who with-hold lifesaving medicines and charge top dollar to those who still have health insurance.
Bottom line: 40 million uninsured people in this country and corporate greed run amok. Big Pharma is just the tip of that iceberg. Is it any wonder why people are going to TJ and/or Canada and/or ordering online to buy their meds. Don't demonize the consumer, hold the pharmaceuticals responsible for being so f*cking greedy they charge a dying person the highest amount they can extort.
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All the symptoms of the problem, that you've accurately mentioned, are the results of a society that has lost (or should I say rejected) its moral compass; as long as the rejection of basic, time tested/proven, principles of morality continue to be the norm championed by so called "progressive leaders" of our society, we will continue on the downward spiral that has befallen this once great nation, every single civilization that was once great, experienced the consequences of such fateful decision(s), ours is no different and even though this historical evidence is overwhelmingly crystal clear, God forbid, if anyone running for elected or appointed office, dares to tell the truth about this self-evident issue, the "progressive" camp would have a field day with them.
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| Over 90% of the average person's lifetime medical expenditures occur in the last month of that person's life. It's not as much a matter of corporate greed as it is a mindset that pervades our society. We say "Just do whatever you can doctor" and then whine because not only does the patient eventually die, but the costs incurred whether "covered by insurance" or not are eventually passed on to the living. It is sheer irresponsibility based on our unwillingness to let go of this life. | |
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