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Chinabound
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| Re: No surprise said by ChinaBreathe :said by Chinabound  :Let the China bashing begin! To be fair, I don't believe anyone is interested in bashing geographical China or its people. The entity that is normally "bashed" is the government. The PRC doesn't represent the Chinese people, and has only been the government of China for a half-century. When it comes to the PRC, even most extreme leftists agree it's a bit of a ridiculous government led by comical individuals. Hardly representative of China, historically. I do believe most people realize this, thankfully. Keep your eye on this thread, though.
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DotMac
Shill H8r
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Huntington Beach, CA | Shocking The nation with the largest population has the largest number of users? Even with their amazingly abysmal penetration rate, when you have 1.3B screaming Chinese yer gonna have a lot of users.
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| Re: Shocking Yeah but think in terms of what those numbers would do to ISP's in the states. Comcast, AT&T, and all the biggies would have a serious meltdown. China Telecom and China Netcom are much better at provisioning and are rolling out 'lightspeed' style broadband at a clip some 15x faster than AT&T, and these are in rural areas as well. | |
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| Re: Shocking said by JasonD :
Yeah but think in terms of what those numbers would do to ISP's in the states. Comcast, AT&T, and all the biggies would have a serious meltdown. China Telecom and China Netcom are much better at provisioning and are rolling out 'lightspeed' style broadband at a clip some 15x faster than AT&T, and these are in rural areas as well.
a lot of China is rural, its a fact, so the Telecoms really don't have a choice | |
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Grenada, MS | Re: Shocking Well the telecom in china I believe is own by the government since its a communist country after all. | |
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Shocking That's odd cause here in America the government is owned by the telecoms.
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| It wouldn't do anything. More numbers equals more subscribers. More subscribers equals more money. More money equals the capital to expand deployment for those customers. | |
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD | Comparison India has roughly the same number of people as China. I wonder how it compares to China in terms of broadband connections.
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| Re: Comparison China is rapidly improving its civil infrastructure; maybe for the '08 Olympics, but regardless i think they realize that their manufacturing edge over other countries is only going to last so long. Whereas the indian economy is based on the service sector, sometimes infrastructure gets left behind. I know for a lot of indians broadband is 256k dsl, which is quite abysmal... | |
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| Whoopie Here's your internet connection. Now don't look at anything online with it or we kill you. Remember Uncle Mao is watching. Lovely country... but you do have to respect any government ballsy enough to send the family a bill for the bullet used to execute a loved one. | |
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A Lurker
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| Re: Whoopie said by ender7074 :Here's your internet connection. Now don't look at anything online with it or we kill you. Remember Uncle Mao is watching. Lovely country... but you do have to respect any government ballsy enough to send the family a bill for the bullet used to execute a loved one. I know that there is filtering of internet, but I can't say that I saw any of it when in China last winter. I used a public internet cafe in Tianjin and someone else used one in Dalian. I didn't have any real problems reaching any sites (including news sites for both Canada and the Phillipines). The only thing I did notice was that there were a lots of people using internet sites in the middle of the day. More so than when we had been in Europe (where they were generally only busy in the evenings). | |
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pfak
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| Re: Whoopie Did you try to access Flickr or any other sites blocked in China.
Sure you can load Flickr, but you can't see any possibly anti-communist images of your cat or loved ones ...
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| Re: Whoopie I'm pretty sure I got to Flickr (I was uploading pictures as I went). I visited Yahoo for news (just to see what was going on in the world), a Phillipine newspaper (for news for some of the guys back on the ship). I also sent a couple of emails, used the webmail function of my ISP. I probably also checked weather reports for upcoming ports, but I'm not sure. I had an hour to kill as the guy who had taken me there (through a maze of streets) was going to drop back for me later.
Most of the guys (no other women) in the place were playing online video games of some sort. I actually found that in South Korea as well. Other places people were doing a variety of things, but predominantly video games. I'm assuming online, but I could be incorrect. One or two were using headsets for chat (what they were chatting about - don't know). That's the unfortunate thing - not speaking the language gives you little insight to the people. Your interaction is limited to those who speak your language. I did spend some time chatting with the fellow and his wife who we'd made arrangements for transportation. We found a little more English spoken in Qingdao (site of 2008 sailing for the Olympics), but still not too much. | |
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| Re: Whoopie said by A Lurker :I'm pretty sure I got to Flickr (I was uploading pictures as I went). I visited Yahoo for news (just to see what was going on in the world), a Phillipine newspaper (for news for some of the guys back on the ship). I also sent a couple of emails, used the webmail function of my ISP. I probably also checked weather reports for upcoming ports, but I'm not sure. I had an hour to kill as the guy who had taken me there (through a maze of streets) was going to drop back for me later. »www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c···ICKR.TMP
When was the last time you were in China, because last month some of my friends in the mainland were reporting that it was infact still blocked. | |
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A Lurker
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| Re: Whoopie said by pfak :When was the last time you were in China, because last month some of my friends in the mainland were reporting that it was infact still blocked. It was April 2007, but again, I'm not positive about Flickr. I'm pretty sure that I got to the site, but then found out I couldn't load the pictures from the machine I was on. I looked back and I did my uploading in South Korea. I did get to blogger in China though (I would think it would be a no no as well). I made an entry on April 4th from Xiangang. I The place I used in Xiangang didn't have enabled USB ports and I had a language barrier. When the fellow who had brought me (and spoke a little english) came back I found out that they would have scanned it for viruses and uploaded it for me, but by then I didn't want to spend any more time there. | |
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New York, NY | The most....... News Flash;
China has the most eyeballs of any nation on the Earth.
China has the most thumbs of any nation on the Earth.
China has the most middle legs of any nation on the Earth. | |
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wruckman
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Northwood, OH | Propaganda China wants its user to have high speed connections. So they can spread their propaganda and mind control to the public faster.
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| Re: How Can They Connect said by Zydaco :This begs the question "How can China connect all those farmers, 1/3 of the broadband subscribers, when the United States can't even get DSL to most people who live 20,000 feet from the CO"? Those farmers are in the boonies, so does China have some new technology that our dsl providers are not aware of? 20,000 feet? That's nuthin'. I'm 3,000 ft from a broadband-capable remote terminal, and no one in the neighborhood has broadband.
So why do those Chinese farmers have broadband? Simple, like most other countries, China regards broadband as a driver of economic development, and therefore has policies in place to see to it broadband is deployed as widely as possible.
In the U.S., the government says it regards broadband as a driver of economic development, and therefore has policies in place that treats it as a luxury, unimportant service, where the service providers receive no incentive other than to pick in choose where and to whom they deploy it to. | |
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antarctica | Re: Easier to keep an eye on its peeps I burn them before I read them, for EXTRA security. | |
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Richard B
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Portland, OR | More Chinese Communism Chinese may be the biggest but it is the lest free. Ask any person who is part of Falun Dafa or is a chines dissident. Broadband in China is just another form of control by the Party. | |
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mrchris
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North Babylon, NY | Re: More Chinese Communism You mean Falun Gong, no?
Also, let's not forget all the shitty exports they give us. | |
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| Re: More Chinese Communism In Chinese, Dafa and Gong have roughly the same meaning. Falun Gong practitioners don't need to use broadband because they have the third eye (celestial eye) and falun (wheels) in their stomachs. As Master Li Hongzhi said they can see the future and the past with the third eyes, levitate in the air and have immunity to diseases.
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| said by Richard B :Chinese may be the biggest but it is the lest free. Hardly. North Korea, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Syria are all far more repressive than China. | |
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New York, NY | Overpopulation of Men Well if you have a shortage of real women, guess you need a phat pipe to pr0n. | |
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Chandler, AZ | Re: cool As a nation on the decline as a direct result of an ineffective and corrupt two political party system we should appreciate china's achievement. In the words of republiCONs let's jus' bom' em' | |
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| A few things about China... Number one is, the government isn't a trustworthy source of information. They tend to hide a lot of bad information, and have complete editorial control of the newspapers. The pig disease outbreak is a good example. If you're seeing a info about a government run company, the gov may have had a hand in releasing it.
Number two is that China is a rapidly developing country, and it is possible for the government to push things that profit minded companies might not have. Their accomplishments with hydroelectric power are very noteworthy.
Considering these things, I'm going to put as much faith in the Shanghai Daily's report as our own FCC's report about broadband penetration. The spirit of the news is probably correct, even if the details might need some time to catch up.
People are people, no matter the government, I think they will use the internet for all the purposes we do here. People are naturally nationalistic/patriotic, I'm sure many Chinese feel "my country right or wrong", but there's also going to be people who want better government. I'm glad that the internet will be there for people trying to make China a better country, and for the rest give them something fun and educational  | |
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