Still A**holes! Still makes them a**holes!!
Re: Still A**holes! Cisco and Oracle are two companies you should never trust; unless you have millions of dollars to spend.
Re: Still A**holes!
said by axus:Should you even trust them if you have millions of dollars to spend?
Cisco and Oracle are two companies you should never trust; unless you have millions of dollars to spend.
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Re: Still A**holes! If you ask Google, their answer would be "No".
San Diego, CA
Re: Still A**holes! Yeah and they are now looking to dominate the server market with their UCS blade computing platform. It's quite amazing, much better then HP or Dell's. It will be interesting to see how much market share they can grab in the blade market.
Re: Still A**holes!
said by djrobsd:Until you look at the cost of the UCS - then Dell blows it out of the water.
Yeah and they are now looking to dominate the server market with their UCS blade computing platform. It's quite amazing, much better then HP or Dell's. It will be interesting to see how much market share they can grab in the blade market.
Re: Still A**holes! Your being sarcastic right? You can't possibly be serious because that would mean you know virtually nothing about Google or Cisco which then means you didn't make that stupid post. But you did post. So it must be sarcasm.
Re: Still A**holes! actually i was being sarcastic. Especially since everyone knows Google is NOT any better with their data collecting,etc.
Re: Still A**holes! that's why i flash mine. Or i just do it the easy way and buy UBNT.
Still boggles my mind... I can see a company doing this... like maybe a cable company with their routers/modem.... and not expect, or *know to expect* a ton of backlash.
But a company like Cisco... How they ever thought this would be a good idea and go over well is beyond me. :shrugs:
And the whole idea of changing their TOS is a joke since they can change it right back at any time. (as can any company)
Re: Still boggles my mind... The good lawyers at Cisco work on the Enterprise division, the shitheads work Consumer.
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Pack Sand Cisco The fact that they did this to begin with keeps them firmly on my shit list.
I've decided I will NEVER buy another Linksys/Cisco product ever again, nor will I recommend them to friends and family.
I suspect that Cisco would never have backpedaled if angry users had not raised such a stink about their intrusive, privacy-invasive so-called "update" in the first place.
Where's the backpedal? This isn't a backpedal. It's the same bull**** they've been saying from day one... if you don't want Cloud Connect, revert to the older firmware -- and you'll never get any new features or bug fixes. This off-site knowledge base noise is simply the instructions for downgrading your router. (and they conveniently show the UI's from different routers: EA3500 cloud firmware, and then E4200 non-cloud.)
Do they really think their TOS can protect them when they're setting up thousands of illegal wire taps?
Re: Where's the backpedal? Good thing there is DD-WRT/tomato/OpenWRT etc. available for most Linksys/cisco routers....
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." - Benjamin Franklin
| |dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
Re: Where's the backpedal? Assuming your router isn't a "neutered" model.
Re: Where's the backpedal? Cisco has a man-in-the-middle to report to them every (non-ssl) URL you visit. (among many other things) And before someone pipes up about ISP netflow collection... netflow only shows with whom you are communicating (by IP), not what you're saying.
Re: Where's the backpedal? and how is this different from any other company besides Cisco is at your home network? It is basically the same thing. It's no worse than Facebook doing the same- tracking you and then selling the data, Google or any other company. How do you think the NSA gets their information? ATT, Apple and Siri (even before it was put in the iOS,), Facebook and Google along with any router company.
Re: Where's the backpedal? This is very much so worse than facebook. Facebook can track what you do on their site. This can potentially give everything you do online up. Everything.
This is so out of the ballpark intrusive if the average layperson was aware they would be fuming.
Hmmm I'm not sure they realize the damage and lost sales they have done by doing this..
Cisco added to my do not buy or recommend list..
Re: Hmmm bad PR is better than no PR. Just because a few people on here claim they won't by from their company; others still will.
said by 25139889:I remember hearing the same thing about SOPA passing.
bad PR is better than no PR. Just because a few people on here claim they won't by from their company; others still will.
If you think this wont cost CISCO some money your crazy. I will never, ever install another cisco device.
Its nothing for some of the IT people here to install 20+ routers a week for clients.
San Jose, CA
**AA's in on this? I wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Hollywood types had a hand in getting Cisco to put in monitoring and controls on consumer equipment to further their agenda. Why else would you see the p*rn reference in the TOS?
Re: **AA's in on this? It wouldn't surprise me, either.
What I'm trying to figure out is what they even claim the added benefit of this POS firmware is. It's a ROUTER, for God's sake! Its purpose is to manage your local network and act as a bridge between it and the Internet. That's it. Yes, there are many ways you can do that, which explains all the goodies in DD-WRT and Tomato, but, essentially, this is a local affair. I don't need some cloud service to help me with that. And, after all, if my Internet connection is down, then I can't access the cloud anyway.
Re: **AA's in on this? Cloud based management is primarily geared for larger companies that have IT managers maintaining hundreds of routers, not one router in their local office.
Re: **AA's in on this? Remote management, perhaps, but I still don't see a reason that the management functions need to reside outside of the local network. To me, it's too much of a security risk. In my organization, although we do use hosted services, any service we might use is going to have a thorough security review, and there will be additional signed agreements covering who is responsible for data breaches, both in terms of notification but also for financial liability. And it gets even more complicated when a third party is involved, such as if the service is being hosted by a third party. If we can avoid all this, we will.
Re: **AA's in on this? I could be wrong but I believe the benefit to the consumer would have been to setup a smart home. I'm assuming their routers would have been the gateway you dialed into from work to maybe turn up your air conditioning before you got home.
The problem is a smart home can be had without giving up your right to privacy.
isnt cisco a type a cooking greese its burns stuff to cook it
oh wait ya sorry but they so similar in how they operate no?
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Re: isnt cisco a type a cooking greese What?
Yay! Finally somebody gets 'backpedal' right! Most of the time people write 'backpeddle' like they never rode a tricycle before
conformation has anyone confirmed that they have restored functionality while not connected to the cloud?
a birth certificate is also proof of death, eventually
Re: conformation ahhaha. well they learn some thing for once
Question still remains.... The question still remains, will Cisco continue to update the classic interface firmware for those who do not want to use the cloud firmware interface?
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Re: Question still remains....
said by Mike Wolf:
The question still remains, will Cisco continue to update the classic interface firmware for those who do not want to use the cloud firmware interface?
Cisco has told us that going forward the automatic update process will accomodate people who prefer the local, browser-based management console over the cloud service. That's good news, as customers who don't want to use Connect Cloud won't have to choose between their current management setup and firmware updates that could be important.
"If a customer chooses to use the Embedded Web UI and selects the Auto-Update feature, Cisco will offer them an update," Cisco said. "Currently the only update we have is for the Cisco Connect Cloud feature set, but in future, we plan to provide updates for the embedded Web UI feature set specifically. The core message is that a customer can/will be able to choose an embedded web UI and Update without having to use CCC.
Re: Question still remains.... Yes but it doesnt answer the question if current customers with current equipment will continue to be updated, or if this only applies for new models sold in the future. For example the EA6500 scheduled to be released in August.
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What is with the recent cloud fetish anyway? How well will it work when the internet service is down?