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P2P sharers say it's anything but
(old news - 07:01PM Wednesday Apr 16 2008)
tags: Fileswapping · business · world · net-neutrality
A letter penned by Cisco executive director Morgan Elliott repeatedly uses the word “innovative” to describe traffic-shaping practices in the country. Among other statements, Elliott says:
"Innovation inside the network is just as important as innovation in services and devices connected to the Internet. As the internet becomes better, faster and more integral to our economy and personal lives, it is necessary for broadband internet access providers to use innovative technology to manage their networks in providing quality of service, new features, and new services to meet evolving consumer needs."

And he also argues:
"In order to foster continued innovation, service providers should remain free to offer additional services to supplement broadband internet access, including bandwidth tiers, quality of service, security, anti-virus and anti-spam services, network management services, as well as to enter into commercially negotiated agreements with unaffiliated parties for the provision of such additional services."

John Newton over at p2pnet has an overview of arguments opposing Elliott’s view.

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yuutomo
The Wonder Kitter
Premium
join:2001-08-27
Missoula, MT

WTF, mate...

this is coming from a once great company, boy are they desperate to get sales. I hope he remembers this, he's walking the same road a certain Gonzalez did, and look at where he is now, unemployed.
EPS

join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA

In order to foster innovation?

Well, I suppose it may foster innovation in ways to get around it? But I hardly see how throttling other people's traffic helps innovation, rather I would think it hinders it, hurting attempts by online start-ups to distribute new services. (Maybe that's Bell Canada's goal, but it's hardly innovation)

gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall

join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA

Re: In order to foster innovation?

It's innovative because it enables company's with market control more ways to double-triple-quadruple dip into the customers wallets/purses and eliminate competition at the same time.
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There is no greater sign of a general decay of virtue in a nation, than a want of zeal in its inhabitants for the good of their country. ~ Joseph Addison

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME

I'd hardly call it innovative

Throttling 'everyone' during peak hours has little to do with being innovative.

Attempting to allow the highest amount of throughput at the least expense and inconvenience to uses would be something more innovative.

How about 2 tiers...
Throttled (and cheap) tiers
and
Unthrottled and more expensive tiers

Wait...we can make more money by raising prices and throttling everyone and saving on bandwidth costs.
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Canada = Hollywood North

Dominokat
"Hi"
Premium
join:2002-08-06
Boothbay, ME
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3 edits

No surprise

Of course Cisco would support this. They stand to make millions selling thier equipment to Bell (or anyone) to use for "traffic managment."
So why would they NOT support it?

Mchart
Super Joe

join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL

Re: No surprise

Exactly. Traffic shaping = more cisco sales = more people paying for CCNA courses = more money for cisco.
Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

Re: I'd hardly call it innovative

that is pretty much what im thinking, cisco sells the hardware to allow this so why not promote it.
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jeffster1970
Whatta Ya Think About Dat?
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Kitchener, ON
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Innovative because??

They're providing the hardware to Bell Sympatico in order to do this? Innovative because if it works, other providers can follow suit?

Innovative because if companies like Bell can get away with it, why not the cable giants too? I mean, why provide top service if you really don't have to?

Though I am not 100% sure, my guess is that Cisco and Bell have some sort of partnership here happening.

Oh well, world is going to hell in a handbag anyway, whatcha going do, eh?
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"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
lvlorpheus

join:2008-02-17
Eureka Springs, AR

Well that changes everything

I will vote with my wallet on this one. I guess its time to give D-link, and other router and modem manufactures a look. And I really liked Linksys and was planning on getting a new Cisco router when I read they were killing the Linksys name. I would just feel wrong supporting a business that looks at stifling the internet as an innovation instead of encouraging a faster better deployed internet. I wonder if this PR blunder will keep the Linksys name around a bit longer, and if it does I will still be buying from someone other than Cisco.

werwe332

@verizon.net


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Re: Well that changes everything

I agree with you to. Since I manage a cisco VOIP solution and make all the purchasing decisions it looks like im gonna have to start saving money and buying HP/DELL/3COM/Juniper POE GIG switches and routers for the same price as Cisco 10/100 to include into our network now. I guess Cisco will still get a minute amount from our buisness for their phones and licenses but thats about it from now on. Thanks Cisco you just helped me save a ton of money by switching(GEICO).
DabberDan

join:2004-11-15
Gatineau, ON

Re: Well that changes everything

The list is growing... no more Bell, Cisco (Linksys)... talking with my wallet

root9

join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON

The only thing "Innovative" ...

The only thing "Innovative" is how many different ways we are being attacked by Corporations.

If we don't gather steam and fight back much better we are gonna loose our rights to Our Internet.

Å
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Fight for your rights or loose them!
TheMG

join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB
·TELUS

Network management?

Throttling is nothing more than a band-aid solution for ISPs that don't want to keep their networks up to the demand.

It is ANYTHING BUT innovative, and it does not in any way meet consumer demands. Consumers demand a "neutral" uninterrupted internet access that is fast for whatever application or protocol they wish to use.
Underplay

join:2003-10-19
Tacoma, WA

hahah

This is simply a joke.
tranceduden

join:2007-05-16
Mississauga, ON

Cisco ? Bah who need 'em

Cisco is outdated and overrated. Move over big dinosaur

SHARPSHARK

join:2002-05-10


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Gaming QoS and others

How about giving priority to gaming/voice packets priority to get uber stable ping and low latency jitter? NOW, that would be innovative instead of just slowing everything on someone else side.

*edit*

... and probably HTTP and other commonly used protocols. *shrugs*

sdfg

@rogers.com

Bell and Cisco are Partners

1. Bell and Cisco are Partners
2. Bell Paid Cisco to say due to bell saying that there partnership would end if they did not say anything..

3. bye cisco.... buying non cisco hardware for now on...

Slot Zero

join:2003-08-13
Kingston, ON
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Puhlease

"Innovative" is when you don't allow your worldwide ISP rating to drop from #2 to #8 or worse in a 10 year period. Bell was "innovative" in that it allowed the system to degrade so badly that they've resorted to 'traffic shaping' and 'throttling' in order to keep up with demand. At least, that's what they say the reasoning is.

And then, rather than fix these problems they claim to be having, they turn around and sell more 14 Mb connections to slow things down even more? Yeah, and I've got some swampland in Florida you might be interested in.

insomx
Premium
join:2003-01-26
Canada

Bad move on Cisco

I'd always respected that company. I just completly lost faith in them now, other brands here I come. My reccmendations for a new server room this summer will also change.

espaeth
Digital Plumber
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Re: Bad move on Cisco

said by insomx See Profile :

I'd always respected that company. I just completly lost faith in them now, other brands here I come. My reccmendations for a new server room this summer will also change.
"I recommend against using products from Cisco Systems because one of their executives said something I don't agree with in a letter published on the Internet."

Heh. Seriously?

plk
bo may sleep in loft
Premium
join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA

I will tell everyone I know not to buy their products.
This is typical of big businesses. Always short term gains even if it destroys this country.

10 years from now, when Cisco is complaining because the Bells and cable don't need to buy new hardware because they are "throttling" their networks in a effort NOT to innovate for another 10 years. You suppose they will be as clueless as they are now?

jig

join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA

paid


they're just trying to sell heavy iron. boo

Cisco Customer

@shawcable.net

Cisco should butt out of it

I wrote to Mr. Elliott (moelliot@cisco.com) to let him know that this is a consumer rights issue and not something that Cisco should be taking a position on. I suggested he clarify that he does not speak for the company, because his comments are tarnishing Cisco's reputation.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

position statement..

well.. if you want to take that position, fine.. then maybe we should boycott your pet company LINKSYS and not buy those products... we the consumer have choices.. and we can start by not buying your equipment. there are a half dozen other companies that do the same thing you do so we don't really need you. don't forget, your not an standard oil, your a tech company.. you live and die by your customers when ultimately translated to the end user... US!

matradley
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Ontario

CCNA

I am reconsidering my CCNA as of that statement.

belushi
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-08
Twinsburg, OH

Re: CCNA

said by matradley See Profile :

I am reconsidering my CCNA as of that statement.
Good, we don't need people like you tarnishing our hard earned certification if you are offended by one person's comments. Oh wait, the CCNA wasn't hard earned for me, it was child's play.

espaeth
Digital Plumber
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Re: CCNA

said by belushi See Profile :

Oh wait, the CCNA wasn't hard earned for me, it was child's play.
That's because the CCNA is a worthless cert.

belushi
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-08
Twinsburg, OH

Re: CCNA

Tell that to the people who get paid because of it how worthless it is. I have much higher level certs and do not regard it is worthless.

ShadPTR

join:2008-01-23
Markham, ON

Wow what a joke..

I guess profits > common sense.

Dick Cheney

@bell.ca

Re: Wow what a joke..

Of course !!!!

Profits is the most important thing in life. God wouldn't have created us who in turned created money if he wasn't a capitalist at heart.

Don't underestimate the businessmen side of our Lord !! I'm sure he's siding with Bell and Cisco on this.
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