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kudos:6 | Necessary? The snark at the end of the post is ridiculous.
Blog comments on any hot button issue are absolutely worthless. Not sure why that's even worthy of being posted.
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Pointing out how that's rather silly = ridiculous.
Glad we've got that straightened out. | |
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kudos:6 | Re: Necessary? Blog comments on a hot button issue are the antithesis of feedback.
Cisco has numerous feedback channels one can pursue. | |
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It's just feedback that's public and in the case likely negative. | |
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| | |  viperpa33sWhy Me?Premium
join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL | Since you are an expert on this, do you work for Cisco? Are you a customer of Cisco on a daily bases? First of all I can tell you from experience that there feedback sucks. Not only don't they listen to there residential customers, they don't listen to there business customers either.
As far as providing numerous feedback channels, show me where they are? You mean like the worthless feedback emails a company sends you after you buy and register the product? | |
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| | | | | | Re: Necessary? Spot on, my former employer spent millions on Crisco and their support was terrible. I could write a novel on their excuse for support.
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join:2002-07-10
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kudos:6 | Re: Necessary? I'm not expecting customer satisfaction or Karl to change his posts by way of my posting here. There's a difference.
Edit: and I'd not exactly equate a blog post to a news article. | |
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| Re: Necessary? said by drew:I'm not expecting customer satisfaction or Karl to change his posts by way of my posting here. There's a difference.
But yet the "Feedback channel" is available to you. Negative or otherwise. 
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| | | | | | Re: Necessary? I don't see how it's all that different if DSLR only accepts positive feedback. | |
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Suffern, NY | said by spewak:said by drew:I'm not expecting customer satisfaction or Karl to change his posts by way of my posting here. There's a difference.
But yet the "Feedback channel" is available to you. Negative or otherwise. You mean a Feedback channel that is routed to /dev.null (ie: Is Bit Bucketed)? Any Feedback channel whose input is not visible to those using it is simple to ignore or claim that that your input is unique and not being made by others. A Blog at least reflects what is being said and unless additional additions are forbidden (as is the case here) or negative remarks are removed shows what has been said about an issue. | |
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| said by drew:The snark at the end of the post is ridiculous.
Blog comments on any hot button issue are absolutely worthless. Not sure why that's even worthy of being posted.
It actually made me chuckle.
If you don't feel it's worthy what news topics have you submitted for review lately?
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kudos:1 | Very necessary. Pretty obvious Cisco doesn't give a shit. 'Connect Cloud' for a router is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard. So stupid that they must know how stupid it is and are just hoping to pull one over on less informed customers.
My Synology NAS has apps and all sorts of fancy stuff that I mostly don't use. None of it requires that I login to some bullshit 'cloud' account that collects information. | |
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Blog comments on any hot button issue are absolutely worthless. Not sure why that's even worthy of being posted.
Just shows that CISCO is run by liars and spin doctors. I'm not surprised that they did this though. They're an ethically corrupt bunch those guys.
I knew that CISCO was loosing its trustworthiness back when they had one of their ex CEO's arrested, imprisoned and a bunch of other rotten things done to him by lying to Canadian and US judges.
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Boynton Beach, FL | Simple Answer The simple answer is simply to stop buying Cisco/Linksys branded routers. Companies can only get away with doing things like this if people allow them to, though it never ceases to amaze me that the people that make up these companies can easily forget they are dealing with people and should treat them like they would like to be treated. | |
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Midlothian, VA | Re: Simple Answer I think short term this a huge PR blunder but the sheeple will continue to buy their products unless this remains the big deal it is. This effectively turns your router into a PS3 and by that I mean you really don't own it. It's not yours to do with as you see fit unless you are FULLY aware of how to prevent them from totally mucking your router.
And what is to stop them from making the next gen router do this right out of the box where don't have a choice but to only use the 'cloud connect' stupidity?
This is a sad development from Cisco and I look forward to buying and recommending Asus and other manufacturers. | |
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East Lansing, MI | Re: Simple Answer I'm pretty sure that the latest model of these routers are shipping with this new firmware.. So... then there's that... | |
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| Re: Simple Answer said by quetwo:I'm pretty sure that the latest model of these routers are shipping with this new firmware.. So... then there's that...
and what happens when someone figures out how to log into other peoples routers? It wont take long, and before long, someone can fuck with your router and never even have to be on your network. Some things need to remain off the cloud, and local hardware management(unless you need otherwise, which is fine, set up remote access, its there on most routers already) should stay local. It leaves less chance of someone getting on your network. And with the routers ability to track what your doing, it only leaves a matter of time before someone exploits it for personal gain(by siphoning the data, with credit card numbers ect...). I give it a month before its compromised and they are then issuing an "upgrade" that gives all the same functionality without the cloud interface. | |
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join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
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| Re: Simple Answer Agreed. Back in the days of DNSChanger malware being abundant throughout the P2P community for music (Read: Limewire), often times malware would change settings such as DNS Servers and routes in a router if the malware was specifically designed for a router and the admin password was left unchanged. Adding in cloud features, granted an exploit can be found, could easily bring about this same issue once again. | |
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join:2002-12-30
New Castle, PA | So, the cloud is evil. Who knew? | |
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
kudos:1 | said by AVonGauss:The simple answer is simply to stop buying Cisco/Linksys branded routers. I've decided, due to this single act by Cisco ... that I'll not be purchasing any more of their products ever again, and will not be recommending them to friends, family or acquaintances. | |
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join:2001-05-03
Cupertino, CA | Re: Simple Answer said by newview:said by AVonGauss:The simple answer is simply to stop buying Cisco/Linksys branded routers. I've decided, due to this single act by Cisco ... that I'll not be purchasing any more of their products ever again, and will not be recommending them to friends, family or acquaintances. Heh, I made that decision a couple of years ago to stop buying Linksys stuff and switch over to Netgear. To force consumers to sign-up for a "cloud" account just to access and maintain their routers is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of and I hope the execs at Cisco get roasted over this decision. | |
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join:2010-02-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL | I decided that when I bought a N router (160n - v2). it crashed regularly, even with updated firmware. I remember that there were 3 firmware versions. one was slow, one was reliable but without any cool features, and one crashed. You had to pick your poison. | |
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join:2002-01-27
Kansas City, MO | I'm confused about the whole issue quote:
...since it automatically upgraded them to a firmware that required they log into the cloud to conduct even rudimentary router changes.
If your WAN is down you can't log into your router to see that your WAN is down? Seems a very stupid design to me. | |
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join:2002-08-23
Minneapolis, MN | Re: I'm confused about the whole issue You can log in to the router, but you will have very limited control over the router. Cisco severely cripples your control locally.
In order to modify such things as Guest Access and port forwarding or other advanced features, you must have internet access and log in to Cisco Connect Cloud. There is no opt-out. The privacy-invasive ToS was the icing on the cake. | |
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join:2008-01-24
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kudos:1 | Re: I'm confused about the whole issue WTF. So if this service goes down, temporarily or permanently, the router configuration is severely crippled? So stupid. | |
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join:2003-02-26
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kudos:10 | Re: I'm confused about the whole issue said by pnjunction:WTF. So if this service goes down, temporarily or permanently, the router configuration is severely crippled? So stupid.
Sooo stupid it's dumb! | |
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join:2008-01-24
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kudos:1 | Re: I'm confused about the whole issue I think the procedure to revert to non-cloud-crippled firmware also had logging into the cloud configuration as one of the steps. LOLOL
Also isn't Cisco rumoured to be shutting down the whole consumer division? If true how long will they keep the service up after that? | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | Selling physical products as a services Why is everyone trying to sell physical products as a "services". Isn't this called leasing? I'll bet a paycheck that if they continue with this strategy, all new routers will be managed in the cloud and once most customers are in the cloud, they'll start charging a monthly fee. That's right -- a monthly fee to change your router's password!
What's next? When I want to start my car, it networks with the manufacturer (through my cell phone using my capped data plan; no cell phone with a data connection? ROTFLMAO) to make sure I've activated my car subscription, the monthly credit card charge was approved, I've serviced it at the dealer within the last 3,000 miles and my subscription allows me to operate the car within the given geographic region (like DVD B.S.).
If the monthly fee is $30 and the car is free, I guess I can live with that.  | |
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| |  Linksys / Cisco making bad produsts for years
As a side note the dismal performance and issues of the residential Linksys Cisco devices should not be confused with their enterprise routing and switching equipment which is and always has been regarded as the industry standard. | |
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join:2001-08-10
Paragould, AR | Data Collection The new TOS allowing them to track my data is enough to say I'm never using, or recommending, any Cisco product again. | |
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join:2002-06-14
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| Cisco doesn't seem to understand.. What the idiots in Cisco's executive suite apparently don't understand is the fact that this kind of blatant Orwellian b.s. is NOT GOING TO FLY with the techies who VERY OFTEN are the buyers/recommenders of equipment for their companies/friends/customers. I can tell you right here and now, I *used* to be a big fan of Cisco, recommended them/wrote PR's for them for the last 20+ years in my day-jobs, but that ENDED with this over-the-top insanity.. Yeah, I know this is on their low-end residential products, but how long can it be before they *try* (notice I said *try*) this on their enterprise gear? WHEN that happens, the backlash you're seeing now will be tiny compared to the backlash at that time...
A company I'm consulting for needs a small business router, VPN, VOIP support and I was considering one of Ciscos Integrated Network products, but there's no chance in hell of that happening now..
The fact they locked comments on their blog tells me they *know* damned well how bad this crap is to their customers, and they just don't want to hear the "FU Cisco" comments... | |
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join:2004-11-26
America | good deal This is better - at least the tracking part has been removed.
Thank you. I think I'll still hold on to my old WRT 54G with Tomato  | |
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| | | Re: good deal Yes, but Cisco reserves the right to change the policy at any time, so they can put it back in whenever they like.
But you should worry more about this little gem: “In some cases, in order to provide an optimal experience on your home network, some updates may still be automatically applied, regardless of the auto-update setting.” So, essentially, Cisco is saying that the auto-update checkbox is just a request that they don't update your firmware, a request that they reserve the right to ignore. | |
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NW Minnesota | Re: good deal Great! Now it's necessary to place a Cisco home router behind a firewall to avoid the manufacturer screwing with it. 
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| But you should worry more about this little gem: “In some cases, in order to provide an optimal experience on your home network, some updates may still be automatically applied, regardless of the auto-update setting.” So, essentially, Cisco is saying that the auto-update checkbox is just a request that they don't update your firmware, a request that they reserve the right to ignore.
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Microsoft does the same thing sometimes. I have my updates to ask before downloading. Once in the middle of a game my machine rebooted and applied updates. Now I block *.microsoft.com on my firewall and only allow it when I want to check myself.
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| Cisco is Eavesdropping I equate Cisco's action to me buying a telephone, plugging it in and "permitting" the manufacturer to "listen" to my calls. Site: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eavesdropping
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| race to skynet Every vendor is out there racing to control everything plugged into your house. This is the network guys, the wireless guys, the cable companies, etc. They need to find revenue in no growth markets.
The wireless guys need to kill you on data, and smartphones.
The wireline guys want your home automation, your refrig, and anything else that can connect.
Cable guys are Mad Men, still in the 50-60's but they are emerging slowly.
Cisco wants to own the same and when they say free, they mean free until you are dependent upon it, and then they charge you dearly.
I work in IT, I see people fall into this trap daily and it's no different than a guy buying a $3m box or a $100 gateway.
It seems that there NEEDs to be some legislation to protect consumers because I'm sorry nobody can read the 40 pages TOS for every single item and make a decision. Even if Cisco doesn't farms and resell your data doesn't mean that the guy after Chambers won't. They will. Big Data is big $$$. | |
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Privacy is a huge issue these days. Google's image has been tarnished a lot because of their privacy issues. | |
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| | | Re: Not buying Cisco any more said by cpsycho:Next upgrade with all my customers will be upgrades away from Cisco, my corporate customers as well.
And what will you use for corporate enterprise networks for switching and routing? | |
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| | | | Re: Not buying Cisco any more Have to upgrade my routers and find out what I like and will support. I have been trying out sonic wall, I purchased a tz200 a little while ago. Also I might go the pfsense route. | |
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join:2008-12-22
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And what will you use for corporate enterprise networks for switching and routing? Juniper. | |
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| | | | | Re: Not buying Cisco any more said by xsbell:said by engineer :said by cpsycho:Next upgrade with all my customers will be upgrades away from Cisco, my corporate customers as well.
And what will you use for corporate enterprise networks for switching and routing? Juniper. LOL people... Theres like 2,000 alternatives to Cisco rubbish.. Watchguard, SonicWALL, Juniper, all of which are generally considered superior to Cisco anyway. This is a good time to de-fund Cisco - globally.. Spread the word, delete them from being an option for both consumers and enterprise. | |
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| | | Re: I have a Cisco router and it runs DD-WRT The problem is there isn't - nor is there ever likely to be - third party firmware. The chipset isn't supported by any 3rd party developers :-( | |
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| | | | Re: I have a Cisco router and it runs DD-WRT Prior problems with Linksys/Cisco product support is one reason I always advise home and small business customers that if they must purchase a router from them to first check the DD-WRT supported list of devices and make sure that the model they want is on that list.
»www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Su···_Devices
This gives them access to optional firmware should they too become unhappy with the company. Just don't get a device that shoes WIP or work in progress on the list. I tell them if it's not on the list I will only provide limited support later if or when things go wrong with the device. | |
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| | byebye cisco I know this is Linksys crap, but I think I just got dissuaded from buying any Cisco in the future, not even their business level gear. | |
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join:2001-06-05
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kudos:4 | Cisco Cloud is just the first - other router vendors also This is a watershed moment...sort of like with Windows 8 where if you don't want it you better buy a Win 7 computer before Win 8 is released (Win 7 is supported by Microsoft until 2020 so no worries there). It is the same with routers now...you don't want the cloud then you better buy a new router now before the other router vendors have THEIR cloud routers available for purchase. Cisco just happened to be the first but this is where they are all headed.
I have zero interest in using my cloud router while away from home to check on my refrigerator or turn on a lamp, etc. I just want my router to be a router and manage my little home computing network. I currently have an ancient Linksy router that will be nine years old in November. I was planning on buying a E series Linksy whenever my ISP bothers to get with IPv6 but the one I bookmarked to purchase is the older model and Cisco is now selling the new EA series that are the cloud models which I don't want.
Do these EA series allow for third party firmware? If not, guess I will ask SamKnows if I can flash the original firmware on the Netgear they sent me and use it as SK later sent me a TP-Link which I use for their tests and said they didn't want the Netgear back. I happen to prefer Linksy though over all other vendors because they have one setting in all their routers that other vendors don't and I want that setting...it matters to me, whereas, the cloud and apps so I can turn on the heat as I leave for home ....nope, don't care about that crap at all.
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| | | Re: Cisco Cloud is just the first - other router vendors also said by Mele20:This is a watershed moment...sort of like with Windows 8 where if you don't want it you better buy a Win 7 computer before Win 8 is released (Win 7 is supported by Microsoft until 2020 so no worries there). It is the same with routers now...you don't want the cloud then you better buy a new router now before the other router vendors have THEIR cloud routers available for purchase. Cisco just happened to be the first but this is where they are all headed.
I have zero interest in using my cloud router while away from home to check on my refrigerator or turn on a lamp, etc. I just want my router to be a router and manage my little home computing network. I currently have an ancient Linksy router that will be nine years old in November. I was planning on buying a E series Linksy whenever my ISP bothers to get with IPv6 but the one I bookmarked to purchase is the older model and Cisco is now selling the new EA series that are the cloud models which I don't want.
Do these EA series allow for third party firmware? If not, guess I will ask SamKnows if I can flash the original firmware on the Netgear they sent me and use it as SK later sent me a TP-Link which I use for their tests and said they didn't want the Netgear back. I happen to prefer Linksy though over all other vendors because they have one setting in all their routers that other vendors don't and I want that setting...it matters to me, whereas, the cloud and apps so I can turn on the heat as I leave for home ....nope, don't care about that crap at all.
A few things here.. What does Windows 8 have to do with buying a new computer? Doesn't everyone wipe the crappy bloated pre-installed OS's anyway and put on what they want without the bloat? I don't see how a computer purchase is at all relevant to what OS is being pushed.
Second, you do know IPv6 makes it exceptionally easy to spy on people, right? Are you SURE you want a IPv6 enabled device, which essentially identifies you with a permanent ID on the internet locked into each device? Everyone I know serious about privacy has IPv6 disabled in their OS, and doesn't use IPv6 devices unless the IPv6 can be disabled.. Seriously I thought you were into this privacy stuff?
Anyone with half a brain either uses legacy higher end consumer stuff like SMC Barricades. End-of-Life former Enterprise stuff (Juniper 5GT, SonicWALL, Watchguards for dirt cheap, or Linux Firewalls. Only newbs use consumer grade rubbish, especially from Cisco which has a history of hideous activities.. | |
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join:2001-06-05
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kudos:4 | Re: Cisco Cloud is just the first - other router vendors also OEMs generally don't bloat the computers now as they did a few years ago. (Dell installs McAfee or Trend Micro but nothing else that is bloat). You buy from an OEM you can't remove the OS. Why would you want to anyway? You paid for it. I don't pay for things I don't intend to use. Besides, when you need to invoke your warranty (I always buy 5 years of warranty because it is well worth it as motherboards will probably die at least once during that period as well as CDRom drives, etc but mobos are the big thing). If you buy warranty then you have to reinstall the OS that came on the computer if you want to invoke the warranty. Why in the world would I pay for Windows 8 and then go and buy Windows 7 install it ...all that hassle and the bloated fee that Microsoft charges for Win 7 Pro...then need hardware warranty invoked and have to uninstall Win 7 and install Win 8? Besides, with OEMs now, even Dell, which was the last holdout, you don't get a Reinstallation disk and cannot order one for a fee...unless you are a corporate customer. Even Small Business customers no longer get reinstallation disks. You are stuck with what comes on the computer.
Of course, I want a router that is IPv6 aware. You like limiting yourself to IPv4 only websites? Most users already have "permanent" IP addresses. If you have cable modem and never shut down your computer, you will rarely, if ever, get a different IP address. I am a panelist for the FCC broadband tests for over one and one-half years now. I have a router from SamKnows that runs their tests every hour. I don't feel that my privacy is invaded because I chose to participate in this testing.
Linksy was not always Cisco. My Linksy router is ancient and was bought from Linksy not Cisco almost nine years ago. As for Cisco, gee, my ISP uses Cisco CMTS, routers, etc. According to your reasoning I should drop my ISP for privacy reasons and because Cisco may or may not have aided the Chinese regarding political surveillance of their citizens. So, how would you suggest I connect to the internet?
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join:2004-04-24
Pompano Beach, FL Reviews:
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| Linksys routers no longer viable products.. Seams to me.. there is a major problem with this kind of software change.
I.E. You need Internet connectivity to change the settings.. Duhhh..
Can we say Catch-22? Horse before the cart? Chicken before the egg?
Are the people working for Cisco that dumb??
The time a person really needs access to the configurations settings is precisely when you DON'T have a functional Internet connection. So much for the cloud login sequence. | |
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join:2000-11-17
Chevy Chase, MD | Re: Linksys routers no longer viable products.. Seams to me.. there is a major problem with this kind of software change.
I.E. You need Internet connectivity to change the settings.. Duhhh..
Not true; if no wan is available, then the browser connects directly to the router as it has always done. | |
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join:2002-01-20
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| Re: Linksys routers no longer viable products.. said by artjohn:Seams to me.. there is a major problem with this kind of software change.
I.E. You need Internet connectivity to change the settings.. Duhhh..
Not true; if no wan is available, then the browser connects directly to the router as it has always done.
Yes, it does, but then let's not ruin the hysteria by stating facts...
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join:2000-11-17
Chevy Chase, MD | Re: Linksys routers no longer viable products.. True, those of us who actually own the device, enjoy it, know how to use it, should be left out of the discussion!  | |
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join:2008-08-02
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kudos:1 | Re: DD-WRT Unless it has a Marvell chipset which is not supported by DD-WRT or any 3rd party FW. | |
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join:2000-07-23
Washington, NJ | e4200 v2 From the hardware perspective, this e4200v2 is nearly identical to the EA4500. It is running the latest non-cloud firmware with automatic update disabled. It runs just fine, does what I need, and I may never update the firmware, ever. | |
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