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WRT54GL is a SUPER OLD model, but is still being sold years and years later and has 3768 reviews on newegg.
Why? It works great, hardly ever freezes, and is the most rock solid piece of equipment around. To add icing to the cake, I own one and put DD-WRT on it. I couldn't ask for more.
Cisco spells quality and there are a lot less desirable brands in the router market. Netgear (own one personally) is not bad but no where near cisco quality. | |
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Boston, MA | Re: Linksys Your Internet connection is 1Gbps, or your LAN? If it's your LAN, you don't need to use the Linksys as a switch, you can get a cheap 1Gbps switch and use that internally, and connect it to the Linksys (at 100Mbps) only to get out to the internet. | |
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| | | | | said by brianiscool:If your line is less than 100Mbps I see the WRT54GL still to be useful. My home connection is now 1Gbps, so 100Mbps would not suit my needs.
In my experience, the WRT54GL (with my PC wired to it) couldn't reliably push 30Mbps WAN to LAN. Under ideal circumstances SmallNetBuilder was only able to achieve 53Mbps WAN to LAN.
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WRT54s - was work of pre-Cisco Linksys.
When I hear Cisco I don't get any association with quality- more like overpriced.
I had the "honor" of trying out couple of Cisco/Linksys new consumer/small business-grade products: Lack of range, constant restarts and wifi going in and out. Does not sound quality to me. Ended-up with Buffalo products- far from perfect but much better than anything Cisco had. | |
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Madera, CA | Re: Linksys Linksys + Google? What do you think? | |
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| | | | | | Re: Linksys I wouldn't like that. Then they will packet sniff our data and try and make money off of us. | |
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kudos:2 | I think Google is selling of Moto hardware units, because it doesn't want to be in that business. Why would Google want to buy Linksys? | |
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Madera, CA | Re: Linksys said by openbox9:I think Google is selling of Moto hardware units, because it doesn't want to be in that business. Why would Google want to buy Linksys?
I was just thinking in terms of Android software. As to whether it would be a good/desired move for them, I would not pretend to predict.
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kudos:2 | Re: Linksys Ok. Then I would suggest no. I'd suggest Google would be more interested in it's current Moto STB business (w/Google TV) than consumer routers/switches. | |
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Madera, CA | Re: Linksys said by cork1958:said by PeeWee:Linksys + Google? What do you think?
God, no!! Keep Google crap out of it!! Totally asinine suggestion even! The only Ass here is you for thinking that insulting someone makes you feel intelligent. I was only entertaining the thought of android as an operating system and the confusion that would follow after 50 or so dev's develop their own versions. It was a joke. I will though apologize for going over your head.
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kudos:1 | I agree. Go two feet away from one of those newer space age looking routers branded cisco and I get 220 KBps max on wifi. My wrt54g ran rings around it in the same apartment. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Linksys There's a reason those wrtg54's are still sold years after being "obsolete". They are top performers in reliability and customization. I run DD-WRT on the one at my mom's house and that sucker hardly ever needs touched. Strong Broadcast signal coupled with rock solid reliability. | |
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I ended up getting an ASUS RT-N16 when I needed something faster than the WRT54GL yet still the same ability to add your own antennas. | |
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WRT54GL is a SUPER OLD model, but is still being sold years and years later and has 3768 reviews on newegg.
Why? It works great, hardly ever freezes, and is the most rock solid piece of equipment around. To add icing to the cake, I own one and put DD-WRT on it. I couldn't ask for more.
Cisco spells quality and there are a lot less desirable brands in the router market. Netgear (own one personally) is not bad but no where near cisco quality.
I don't know about that. I seem to have bad luck with Linksys routers. See my »How long do Linksys routers last? forum thread. 
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| | | | | Re: Linksys Might be your luck. 3400 people on Newegg have reviewed the WRTG4GL and with customized firmware, the sucker is a rock solid. | |
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:( Oh well. Currently, it is just rebooting for two seconds. If it gets worse, then I will get a new router.
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Williamsport, PA | said by jc100:WRT54GL is a SUPER OLD model, but is still being sold years and years later and has 3768 reviews on newegg.
Why? It works great, hardly ever freezes, and is the most rock solid piece of equipment around. To add icing to the cake, I own one and put DD-WRT on it. I couldn't ask for more. I have two WRT54GL's in my house, and one of them is like six years old. I have Tomato firmware on each one, and they are rock solid. I have never had one lock up. They just WORK. I also set up my mom, my sister, and a few friends with the same thing, and they have all been working great for years.
That said, the technology definitely is getting old. Is there an 802.11n version of the WRT54GL? What I mean is, is there a router with newer technology that is considered a workhorse like the reliable WRT54GL was? The ability to install third party firmware like Tomato or DD-WRT would be great, unless the stock firmware is good enough. I would like to move up to the newer wireless technologies, but I don't want to lose the reliability and power that comes with a WRT54GL with Tomato.
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Boston, MA | Re: Linksys This is why I have a separate router (ZyWall) and access point (actually a router being used as an access point). | |
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| | | | | I have a netgear WNR 1000 v2 I received from a friend. it is stable with the stock firmware and is a wireless N device. I just wish he'd given me the v1 or v3. Both are firmware flashable to dd-wrt. The v2 - of course not!. None the less, I've had few issues with the router and am happy. I'd still prefer it ran dd-wrt but it's not supported.
None the less, for a hassle free experience, the WRT54GL sites at my mom's house. I got tired of having to walk her through rebooting a router. Now, her net works, router works, and I have so many less headaches. | |
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kudos:1 | said by brianiscool:They make great routers they should not sell .
I agree they make great door stops. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | One issue is that Cisco did not like the GL series, People where making them as capable as the far more pricy Small Business Routers sold under the Cisco name. Naturally Cisco could not have it be known that a $120 router was just as capable as a $500+ router just with plugging in alternate firmware.
Or why MS puts artificial RAM limits on windows versions when Home Premium is the same 64bit kernel as Pro.(gotta protect their pro and ultimate versions.)
Actually this is why no company ever stepped up to the plate to challenge the Western Digital raptor drives when they where the absolute fastest HDDs on the market. WD was/is the only HDD maker that has no SCSI business to protect(WD Raptors where blowing SCSI out of the water in performance in non server situations but where bigger and cheaper than a SCSI drive.)
Honestly I think this is why brands like ASUS are now better ranked than Linksys, ASUS has no small business or enterprise market to protect with artificial barriers.
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1 edit | said by brianiscool:They make great routers they should not sell .
That's probably why Linksys is being sold, because they made great routers without built in obsolescence and are compatible with other firmware, therefore people and companies don't have to buy new ones every few months as most short sighted quarterly based American companies would have people and companies do.
From a time when "Made in the USA" meant something.
I'm on a Linksys router right now, if the things work for nearly ten+ years and this one does and has WPA2 fully set, then it doesn't make sales for the owning company, therefore it's not profitable for Cisco.
The routers that I have now are pre Cisco. | |
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| | | | Re: Linksys Netgear makes great producsts as well. I have one running since 2008. | |
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| Or just rebrand Linksys as Cisco They should just rebrand Linksys as Cisco. It's not like Linksys routers are junk, they make great routers. Personally I prefer Apple AirPort Extreme routers but Linksys routers are good also.
Maybe it's the cable companies pushing their junky gateways that are nothing more than pure junk. I would rather have my Apple AirPort Extreme Router and a basic modem. | |
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| Re: Or just rebrand Linksys as Cisco I second on the Apple AirPort Extreme. Don't get me wrong…I owned several Linksys routers in the past (before Cisco buyout); they were awesome routers and they were very customizable, especially with third-party firmware.
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| | | | Re: Or just rebrand Linksys as Cisco said by Sebehk:I second on the Apple AirPort Extreme. Don't get me wrong…I owned several Linksys routers in the past (before Cisco buyout); they were awesome routers and they were very customizable, especially with third-party firmware.
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As have I. I still have a Linksys WRT54GS, WRT160N, WRT310N, and a WRT610N that all died within the same year. (I need to clean out that storage bin.) I kept buying more expensive models hoping reliability would improve. It didn't. I finally settled on an Apple Airport Extreme (4th Gen) and it's been rock solid for 2 years now. | |
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kudos:7 | Re: Or just rebrand Linksys as Cisco I, too, have an aged selection of Linksys gear. The only things that have actually failed have been the power bricks.
(I still have funtional WAP11's. I don't use them, of course!) | |
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kudos:1 | said by IowaCowboy:They should just rebrand Linksys as Cisco. It's not like Linksys routers are junk, they make great routers.
They have already rebranded them as "Linksys by Cisco". I think the issue here is that Cisco has been spoiled by their high end market. They have been able to get away with charging outrageous prices for largely feature stagnant products, while the consumer market demands constant improvements with little profit margin. They tried jacking up prices just for adding their name to the box, but consumers could care less about the name. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Or just rebrand Linksys as Cisco said by Angrychair:said by Camelot One:consumers could care less about the name.
So consumers care more about the name? Proof I shouldn't post before coffee. | |
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| | | said by IowaCowboy:They should just rebrand Linksys as Cisco.
That's been going on since the day Linksys was purchased. Go to www.linksys.com and see where you are redirected to. Notice the branding image on all the current models .... it's Cisco, not Linksys. The branding change was initially driven by the fact that Linksys had little name recognition outside of the US.
The better Linksys products were absorbed into the Cisco Small Business product line and carry no Linksys branding whatsoever.
Anyway, the bottom line is margins and profit. The small profit Cisco derives from Linksys isn't even a blip on the bottom line. Linksys home products is just a distraction from the core business.
Look for the former Scientific-Atlanta cable business products to be the next business divested. | |
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| Re: Or just rebrand Linksys as Cisco said by voiptalk:Look for the former Scientific-Atlanta cable business products to be the next business divested.
I would like to see Scientific Atlanta absorbed into Motorola as Scientific Atlanta boxes/equipment are junk as well. I have always liked the Motorola Set-Top boxes but in terms of modems, Arris takes the gold in terms of quality stand alone modems (not their gateways/routers).
If that happens, Motorola (or whomever buys their broadband CPE business if they sell that off as well) should develop a universal set-top that can be used on systems that were built on the Scientific Atlanta platform.
I know I sound picky but I only want the best CPE in my home. I am very choosy when I am at a Comcast office. Some reps honor my request and some outright refuse. Some customers don't care if they drop a DCT 2000 in their home and some (like me and a few other members on DSLR) want only the latest and the best. I'm picky where I buy my gadgets from as well (95 percent of the electronics in my home come from Best Buy, Apple Store, or Verizon Wireless corporate stores).
I had a rude in-house tech that refused to install an Arris TM822g even though he had one on his tuck. I have also had some nice techs (including one that had been with the local Comcast division and its predecessors for over 30 years). | |
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| | | | | Re: Or just rebrand Linksys as Cisco Motorola is trying to sell the cable box division themselves, with Pace being one of the companies that could buy the whole division.... | |
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kudos:7 | Actually, it's the other way around. They need to get the Cisco logo off the cheap-as-crap Linksys products. It isn't "Cisco" and just confuses people. It weakens the Cisco brand -- and their marketing department should've known that a decade ago. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Or just rebrand Linksys as Cisco Agreed. I'm not sure why Cisco ventured into the low end consumer market anyway. Given Cisco's traditional margins, it was a horrible move. And, slapping the Cisco brand on a $79 piece of plastic was even worse. | |
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join:2003-06-03
USA | They're Losing money from inferior consumer grade products. That's because Asus routers with open source firmware is beating the crap out of their latest routers.
The RT-N16 and RT-N66U tear up their latest wireless routers by leaps and bounds. Even the factory firmware is better. Price wise it's better to by Asus or another good open source device. 
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| The newer routers aren't appealing. Since the days of the WRT54G running Linux and the WRT54GX routers their units haven't been too appealing, and the firmware has started to get rather iffy. Linksys still makes decent routers, but they definitely have lost the luster that gave them preference over Netgear, D-Link, Belkin, etc. The new UFO-style routers have the tendency to overheat and the lack of external antennas makes them less useful, unless you want to get into drilling, cutting and soldering to make externals.
None the less, if Linksys is sold let's hope the buyer is able to make some solid units that bring back the good days of Linksys. ASUS and other router designers are spanking them. | |
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Charlotte, NC | Should have never bought Linksys in the first place Though I don't use their router products (I prefer m0n0wall inside a VM), the little 8 port gig switch they make is pretty nifty. Turned on VLAN tagging a couple weeks ago. And while it was painful, it works like a champ. | |
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| | HP I stopped buying Linksys years ago. It's truly sad that HP bought Autonomy as Linksys here would be a much more logical purchase but HP I fear isn't going to purchase anything for a while now. | |
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|  gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
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Santa Cruz, CA | Re: HP It would also go well with the 3Com tech. If HP bought linksys they could spin-off a whole new company and make some good gear.
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| We sucked the life out of Linksys we need to dump it so it's rotting corpse stops stinking the place up.
The WRT54G was the best product they ever made and nothing since then even compares.
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| LinkSys They used to make good routers, but Asus and a few others have taken them to task here of late. I finally put in an Asus, and have yet to reboot it even once. Reseting my D-Link and Linksys routers became almost a daily effort....
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EARTH | Re: LinkSys Agreed. I just got an Asus, and it is awesome. | |
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Mountain View, CA | Cisco gave Linksys a bad name From the get go,
I've owned multiple Linksys routers, even the famed WRT54 series before Cisco came along. Even had the stackable 801.11b Wap11 unit.
Cisco released a few modified improvements to the WRT54 series and the like, firmware updates and so forth.
And then totally killed performance, overheating, horrible case design etc..
for years
I jumped ship to Buffalo, one of their first routers and loaded ddwrt on it and never looked back. Now on a Trendnet (Dir-825 clone) with third party firmware.
I wonder, if the entire reason why Cisco is selling off the Linksys brand is because they pissed off their base of hardcore supporters, in regards to that forced cloud firmware interface thing so many months back. Which they ultimately backed off from.
That really pissed off their fan base, the community revolted with calls to abandon Linksys. Maybe that was a contributor.
The name shall live on, but only time will tell if a new company can bring it back to its once great standing in the consumer network community. | |
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| | Just like Belkin Someone will buy the brand name, farm out design and production to some far east companies and rely on marketing to drive sales. | |
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| Remember Connect Cloud introduced in June. I guess Cisco wanted to monetize and spy on customers routers set up and usage through Connect Cloud. When customers resisted Connect Cloud, Cisco realized that they could not squeeze the customers nickel until the Buffalo Shit by spying on them through Connect Cloud and selling personal information. For that reason Cisco may be saying sour grapes and throwing in the towel. | |
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| fizzled Consumer routers of around $200+ (even with Apple-esque marketing hype) are a non-starter in a bad economy.
There isn't really any affordable 10gigE gear on the market for the residential market. This is another nail in the coffin of the router market.. slow innovation.
Today you see 802.11n routers in a range of $20 to $200 which overlaps with 802.11ac on the high end. When you wade through the marketing hype, there isn't much justification for a router beyond "N" plus gigabit ethernet which are about $60 (which then makes you wonder why AC routers are 300%+ more in price). Until the industry gets their act together margins will be as weak as the innovation. That's why cisco wants to get rid of linksys.
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kudos:2 | Re: fizzled said by tmc8080:There isn't really any affordable 10gigE gear on the market for the residential market. Perhaps focus should be on getting better, low cost 1 Gbps gear in the consumer market first along with the connectivity for it. The market for residential 10 GbE is minuscule at best given most consumers' configurations in their homes.said by tmc8080:margins will be as weak as the innovation. That's why cisco wants to get rid of linksys. Yes, the product line is minimally profitable. That's why I still scratch my head as to why Cisco bought a consumer line of low margin hardware in the first place. Horrible execution of capital, IMO. | |
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Translation: the technology is outdated and not profitable
(personally, I switched to bridging Airport Extremes and Expresses ...for Macs. With mixed OS environments, Dlink has been very reliable. But now, with Gigabit Actiontec router and FiOS... )
Hey, I'm not knockin you Tomato DD-WRT guys...just most "home users" don't even know what a router does! 
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New York, NY | Re: Love that analyst speak: said by cableties:"because it is a mature consumer business with low margins"
Translation: the technology is outdated and not profitable
(personally, I switched to bridging Airport Extremes and Expresses ...for Macs. With mixed OS environments, Dlink has been very reliable. But now, with Gigabit Actiontec router and FiOS... )
Hey, I'm not knockin you Tomato DD-WRT guys...just most "home users" don't even know what a router does!
What's outdated about it? I'm not some hollywood type that needs flash, yo yo yo, gold chains, or everything to be new. These routers are work horses and do the job, that's all that's necessary for me.
If it works, it works, so what if there's some new chip or fancy LCD panel, bottom line, that doesn't make it work better. | |
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