Cities, Activists Vie For Google's Fiber Affections Cash-strapped cities spending money on luring Google to town? The city of Topeka recently changed their name to Google in the hopes that the search giant would select their city for their trial deployment of 1 Gbps fiber to the home service. The city of Greensboro, North Carolina is sending gifts to Google headquarters, and has earmarked $50,000 to promote Google's project. Activists have set up more than 70 Facebook pages in the hopes that Google comes to their towns or cities. The United States has apparently gone "gaga for Google broadband," according to Business Week: Google may pay heed. "Level of community support is certainly one of the factors we're considering," says a Google spokesman who asked not to be identified. The company is accepting applications at its Web site through Mar. 26. To drive the message home at Googleplex, some broadband boosters are using such Google tools as Google Docs, Google Maps, and Google Groups. As we've noted, the excitement around Google fiber says two things. One, it's pretty clear that there's a significant number of towns and cities that aren't happy about the current level of broadband in their markets. Two, Google's amazingly managed to turn thousands of people into Google marketing representatives without delivering a single bit -- simply by tapping into that frustration and demand for better service. Google was already public enemy number one among broadband providers for the company's positions on network neutrality, competition, and the use of white space spectrum to deliver wireless connectivity (all of which are driven by a desire to sell ads). Expect the incumbent carriers to get more vocal as this campaign continues to highlight their failures to deliver next-generation connectivity in most markets. Carriers have been working with Cisco to deliver a public relations counterpunch next week.
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1 edit | Not to mention that these Google RFI's will be a new free huge database of broadband info from the public's 100,000+ nominations, and a new free huge database of broadband and demographic data from hundreds/thousands of local governments.
Google will have this huge pool of data of people that actually want higher speed fiber. That's worth $. Also, they will have a lot of data on all the ISPs that these people buy their current services from. That's also worth $. | |
|  |  | | Re: Not to mention that these Google RFI's said by Bob61571:will be a new free huge database of broadband info from the public's 100,000+ nominations, and a new free huge database of broadband and demographic data from hundreds/thousands of local governments. Like the ISPs don't already do this.  | |
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 cacoPremium join:2005-03-10 Whittier, AK 2 edits | A lot of disappointment coming to a town near you. Maybe Apple can announce that they are considering doing the same thing and then we can just have a total loss of peoples senses.
There going to be some pissed of Mayors once Google announces the lucky few.
"We're planning to build and test ultra high-speed broadband networks in a small number of trial locations across the United States. We'll deliver Internet speeds more than 100 times faster than what most Americans have access to today with 1 gigabit per second, fiber-to-the-home connections. We plan to offer service at a competitive price to at least 50,000 and potentially up to 500,000 people."
Interesting to see what they consider competitively priced. Just imagine the privacy policy on this service. -- Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly, and for the same reason. | |
|  |  FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium join:2005-03-19 | Re: A lot of disappointment coming to a town near you. google is not going into the ISP business. they are just putting in the network. a third party will have to connect it to the Internet. -- sbcglobal.net speedtest result 11/11/09 - 5256kbps | |
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 VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | I am excited to see so many people going nuts about this even though chances are good it isnt what they hope for....(1g speed, no caps, etc...)
Keep putting the pressure on all companies trying to monopolize their areas | |
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google doesn't need to own the market or even cover a lot of people, all they need to do is to light a fire under the incumbent's butt to force them to upgrade. And judging from the excited response from the public, seems like they have done just that. | |
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| Re: Just remember guys... google doesn't need to own the market or even cover a lot of people, all they need to do is to light a fire under the incumbent's butt to force them to upgrade. And judging from the excited response from the public, seems like they have done just that. I doubt a single major carrier is going to build out their networks any faster. What they'll do is launch a PR campaign to counterpunch Google... | |
|  |  |  FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium join:2005-03-19 | Re: Just remember guys... yep more of the same.
why should they upgrade their network when they could do the easy thing and just do more PR which does NOTHING to help customers. -- sbcglobal.net speedtest result 11/11/09 - 5256kbps | |
|  |  |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | I'm betting that Comcast will launch 100 Mbps and 250 Mbps service if Google hits them with gigabit. Time Warner Cable will just lower prices. | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: Just remember guys... 250 Mbps at this point would be PR. I think 1 Gbps is largely PR.
I also doubt Google fiber lands in any highly-served incumbent market... | |
|  |  |  |  |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | Re: Just remember guys... The thing is, AT&T, TWC, Cox and Comcast all have rather dense demographics, which means laying fiber there would be cheap... | |
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|  |  |  |  |  |  |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | Re: Just remember guys... Less than $1000 per customer passed. | |
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| Re: Just remember guys... said by iansltx:Less than $1000 per customer passed. Let's see, cable alone passes 120 million @ $1000 each =$120 billion + probably twice that for the telcos, just to cover the high density areas so MAYBE $350-400 billion That is cheap! I'll take 2 
Verizon/FIOS is a good demonstration that what seems cheap BEFORE you break ground, often becomes really expensive. | |
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| Re: Just remember guys... I didn't say that Google was going to pass all homes served by cable. I merely said that their pilot market would likely be in a dense enough area to make it inexpensive. By inexpensive I meant $1000ish per home passed, probably less. So $50m-$500m...probably less. | |
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Next add in the installation costs and equipment to bring the FTTH actually inside your home (construction, the various CPE, set top boxes, etc) Not sure VZ is including many of the FiOS installation costs in their numbers, but with the public info in highly selective / dense areas, it is not $1000.
Now take the current and 10 year forecasted penetration of customers looking for services and divide that by the number of competitors (including cable, telco, dish, DTV, OTA, over builders, local, etc) and factor in any over the top services expected in the next 10 years.
There is a bit more to this analysis. | |
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1 edit | said by iansltx:The thing is, AT&T, TWC, Cox and Comcast all have rather dense demographics, which means laying fiber there would be cheap... Sorry, I took it in the context of your previous post, which I took to imply that ALL cable and telco could rollout fiber footprint wide (at least the high density areas) for $1000/home past. That MIGHT be possible, but building a new fiber network from scratch for $1k per sub seems unlikely, even if google gets Extremely friendly terms and cooperation from local authorities (who usually start asking for extras/freebies during final negotations) | |
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| Re: Bring it to Bellingham! said by WA_Resident:Why?.......You already have 1 Gig capable connections on the other side of the cascades in Grant county, they've had them since 2000. Because I live in Bellingham.  | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: Bring it to Bellingham! What, you think google is going to spend billions of dollars to build out fiber networks all over?.......Building out these networks also take lots of time, not to mention all the lawsuits from major corporations.
Grant county along with Chelan and Douglas have been building out their networks for over 10 years and in that time they have spent millions of dollars on the network. They have also been sued by Verizon, Qwest, other ISPs and local governments. These PUDs were also facing at having to shut down their fiber networks thanks to some idiot politicians who's attempts to prohibit the PUDs from selling internet services to residents failed. | |
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| Re: Bring it to Bellingham! said by WA_Resident:What, you think google is going to spend billions of dollars to build out fiber networks all over? No, they are looking for a few test cities, I just want one of them to be my town.
said by WA_Resident:.......Building out these networks also take lots of time, not to mention all the lawsuits from major corporations. Grant county along with Chelan and Douglas have been building out their networks for over 10 years and in that time they have spent millions of dollars on the network. They have also been sued by Verizon, Qwest, other ISPs and local governments. These PUDs were also facing at having to shut down their fiber networks thanks to some idiot politicians who's attempts to prohibit the PUDs from selling internet services to residents failed. Yes, but the difference here is that is a public utulity. Verizion would look pretty silly sueing another private company just because they were going to build a competing fiber network.
What about Tacoma's Click network? »www.cityoftacoma.org/Page.aspx?nid=173 »www.click-network.com/ | |
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 | | Just what we needed ISPs are saying left and right "users don't want speed". "lets cap connections". Then Google comes along and slaps the ISPs in the face with their 1GB connection (uncapped?).
At this point I would demand that a competent board of directors get put into companies like AT&T and Time Warner, but I don't think that will help the companies now. The damage has been done, they have dug their own graves and nailed their own coffins - all in the name of greed. | |
|  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | But can you blame google for this? ...As some already know, I think PR stunts by Governments to attract google are a waste of money... they should simply formally approach google and offer incentives to deploy in their towns.. not "change their names" etc..
However, to my point.. wasn't it SBC, not at&t, that said "Google isn't going to use my pipes for free...." ....? I don't think the big goog has forgotten that statement one byte.
I think there is more behind what google is attempting to do with the fiber project than just network neutrality work.. I think this is google's way to force the hand of the providers, now, to step it up, or they'll go head on with them in some form or another. | |
|  |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | Re: But can you blame google for this? AT&T has talked about the pipes as well... | |
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Greensboro is where Time Warner frequently tries their new tech, but yet we're still stuck with 10Mbps/512Kbps as the fastest tier. Competition? AT&T DSL at 6Mbps. | |
|  | | Google Q&A on RFI Google had a Moderator page set up to take questions on filling out the RFI. The description noted an online event to answer questions on Feb 25.
»www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=4···28.1efb0
Anybody know if Google answered any of those questions, and if so, where are they? | |
|  |  | | Re: Google Q&A on RFI Just click on "View Response" under each question for Google's response. | |
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 | | The funny thing is... that all of these cities applying probably have access to at least 5Mbps/512Kbps... my town/county is applying and our average broadband speed here in Upstate, NY (30m from the state capitol) is a whopping 768Kbps/256Kbps... i hope Google pushes this to rural areas and not big cities, they already have access to affordable high speed internet.. I have a 1.5Mbps/512Kbps connection for $50/month and I rarely ever get 768Kbps down.. no, this is not affordable high speed internet. we only have 1 internet provider which is also the telephone provider, 1 cable tv ONLY provider... thats it.. what the government needs to focus on is these areas of the country.. not making sure Verizon is going to cover ALL boroughs of NYC.. | |
|  |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | Re: The funny thing is... How large is your city?
I'm beting it's small enough that Google can't justify the costs of running backbone there.
Never mind what the telco will do to try and keep Google out... | |
|  |  |  | | Re: The funny thing is... anything can be justified.. it's all about finding someone who will weigh making big amounts of $ vs. doing something good for the people and making a little $. | |
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Think of all the PR Google would get from having the nation's capital wired with Fiber.... That would certainly get noticed. -- "We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it." Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army | |
|  |  bac522 join:2003-08-04 Manchester, NH | Re: District of Columbia is pushing hard for it... Not to mention Schmidt is one of Obama's bed buddies! | |
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 joebarnhartPaxio evangelist join:2005-12-15 Santa Clara, CA | Truly ironic... My provider is Paxio. For seven years, they have offered FTTH with speeds up to 1Gbit -- synchronous. Paxio is also open-access, and has adpoted that as their core business model from Day One. Paxio's only problem is getting more capital to connect more homes!
Enter Google and suddenly every community and city council is gaga over gigabits. Google, Google, Google... everywhere Google. But Paxio still can't even get a break -- and they are a REAL ISP with actual fiber in the ground and a seven year history of bringing FTTH to real homes and business.
If some community wanted to "think big with a gig" in Paxio's service area, they could get a much quicker response by tossing some loan guarantees at Paxio than by wooing Google -- and I'm sure a lot of areas have small providers exactly like Paxio. | |
|  |  | | Re: Truly ironic... Over here in Washington state they have had 1 gig capable connections since 2000 when a county pud began building out their fiber network and hooking up homes.
"Build-out of the fiber optic network continues in 2010 under the Commissions multi-year plan that brings service to 80 percent of residences and 95 percent of businesses in the county."
This county (Grant) consists of a very rural area which no provider was going to offer service and yet the PUD and other PUDs were sued by some major communication giants, one in particular...Verizon.
The PUD also has an open access policy which allows any ISP to offer internet, phone and TV services over the fiber network.
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|  | | Fixed that for myself Google will counter this with innovation, efficiency, hard work, great customer support, improved hardware, bandwidth and lower prices lawyers and lobbyists. | |
|  atuarreHere come the drumsPremium join:2004-02-14 College Station, TX | RE As I said before, Google is not building out any network. It's the same crap, as I stated before, when people thought they were getting in the wireless business by bidding on spectrum. Don't be fooled. | |
|  MadtownPremium join:2008-04-26 Madera, CA | Madera, Ca I would like Madera, Ca to be one of the cities, but it prolly won't be.
Why is this?
1. From what I can tell, I am the only one in Madera that use the internet.
2. Madera is a backward town.
3. Because the majority are hispanics, they think Madera don't need internet access that is fast, which isn't true, everyone want fast speed no matter what ethnic they are.
4. I am the only one here in Madera that signed up for the offer for them to lay down the fiber here.
5. If you come here to Madera you will ask yourself, did you travel back in time.
6. Madera isn't considered a favored place, you can tell in the news reporters tone of voice when they mention the name Madera in the local news. (Maybe it just my imagination but still....)
7. Madera is just full of low income people
8. No jobs, please refer to 7.
9. There are parents with children still in school, that think internet is nothing but porn and evil people, due to the lack of education here in Madera, (believe me, parents with kids in school make up the population here)
10. On the local news we hear nothing but bad stuff about the internet, child porn, girls meeting creepy strangers online, and just bad stuff in general. (I swear that people here in Madera, believe the news as if it's the Holy Bible, in fact the Local News is the Holy Bible around here)
By Local News I mean News on TV, just so you all know.
It would be nice for Google to offer 1Gbps over here, and if they offer a better pricing or around the same pricing as AT&T/Comcast I would be happy to switch over to the Google service.
I have AT&T and the fastest I can get is 3.0/512 now with Comcast I can get I believe it's 20mbps but not sure for a good price, now I would switch over to Comcast, but 2 things, I don't want or need cable TV, and a 250GB monthly cap is pathetic if you ask me, and Comcast doesn't offer free Wi-Fi.
Despite AT&T and Comcast being in the area, I would hope Google come over here, but because I am the only one who put in the offer, Google won't lay down the fiber.
So people here in Madera, (I know I am talking to myself here because again I am the only one who has internet access here) if you are hoping for Google to lay down the fiber for Madera, don't be disappointed if they don't and don't be surprised if they refuse to even acknowledge us in the 1st place. | |
|  | | Some folks will do anything for money Rename your town? Grovel in the dust? Looks like some cities' "city fathers" are willing to completely sell out for a few million Googlebucks. Even though the networks that Google builds will be unsustainable to operate if they are required to conform to "network neutrality" rules.... | |
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