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CityNet: Don't Pay Frontier Another Dime in WV Without Audit
by Karl Bode 08:30AM Monday Nov 25 2013
We've explored just how corrupt and dysfunctional West Virginia has been when it came to spending their $126.3 million in broadband stimulus funds. Local Charleston Gazette reporter Eric Eyre has been doing an absolutely fantastic job the last few years, highlighting how Verizon, Frontier and Cisco convinced the state to buy ridiculously overpriced, overpowered and unused routers, and ridiculously overpaid, redundant consultants who haven't actually accomplished anything.

Back in March the state buried a study on their spending of the stimulus money (which they spent $118,000 for) that leaked anyway, highlighting that how Frontier Communications did a sloppy job in tracking spending, may have overbilled taxpayers substantially, and only built a mish mash of geographically scattered fiber upgrades that the majority of state residents wouldn't benefit from in the slightest.

Now the CEO of local IT company CityNet is recommending that Frontier not receive another dime until there has been a transparent audit of their deployments in West Virginia:
quote:
We recommend that the state not spend any more taxpayer money or pay outstanding invoices on the [broadband project] fiber until a complete audit of the fiber build is conducted," Martin said. At a meeting last week, state lawmakers raised questions about Frontier's fiber construction costs. Frontier is charging about $62,000 for each mile of fiber -- about double the cost of similar projects elsewhere in West Virginia...Citing "industry experts," Martin said Frontier might have billed the state for more fiber mileage than the company actually built.
In short: use your money to further entrench the local monopoly, bury the report that shows said monopoly wasn't accountable with their spending, then blame, well, pretty much everything other than the cause. The mess in West Virginia shows pretty clearly what happens when anti-competitive corporations and broken political systems get too cuddly, and unfortunately overshadows the many good things the broadband stimulus has done.

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n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY

So??

The problem here is they got caught. AT&T and Verizon do the same thing but have clout to squash such investigations before they get off the ground. If anything, Frontier should be penalized for being too stupid to do a decent coverup.

In the end they will get paid and this will wind up as a line from Shakespeare:

...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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Bill Neilson
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join:2009-07-08
Arlington, VA

No, we should NOT penalize Frontier

as that would be that a Government body is doing something pro-consumer and we want to ditch ANY and ALL GOVERNMENT POWER!

We need to start realize that complete and utter fake Capitalism (Where we think we have Capitalism but we are far from it) rules.
Squire James

join:2013-08-21
Orlando, FL

Re: No, we should NOT penalize Frontier

I kind of agree in the sense that most of the bad aspects of the American capitalism also happen to be the parts where the government gets involved in it (whether it is because the companies leverage the government or the government leverages the companies).

I think Government should be regulators, not subsidizers. Even the regulatory aspects should be examined to make sure it is not corrupt and doesn't overly favor certain companies.

IowaCowboy
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Springfield, MA
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Massachusetts is just as corrupt

Massachusetts is one of the most corrupt kleptocracies in the union. Not just with broadband deployment but with highway construction as well. 22 News (WWLP) just aired a story about homes taken by eminent domain in the '80s for the state highway 57 extension that never got off the ground. And it never will.

At least publicly funded broadband deployment isn't going to force people from their homes by eminent domain or hasn't yet. Hope it stays that way.
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Re: Massachusetts is just as corrupt

the ultimate form of corporate welfare eminent domain though is Kelo v New London. New London, CT took a bunch of homes for a private developer to build an office part, that failed but they had already dozed a whole neighborhood.
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KrK
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Here a for profit local college (private university) wanted to expand but didn't want to buy out the surrounding homes and apartment complexes at a competitive rate. Since the area was lower income, they simple got their buddies at the city to start condemning properties and using eminent domain to force people to sell when they didn't want to. For the gain of a private corporation. They even forced local businesses that had been in businesses for decades to move from their locations. Some fought hard and still lost.

All for the gain a private corporation. There is many stories like this. People who invested in land 20-30 years earlier as a nest egg because they saw future development coming.... only to have the land yanked from them by a shyster developer who then reaps all the profits.
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elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
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What do you expect?

When you allow the government to play Robin Hood, steal other people's money, then decide how it shall be distributed to their patrons, corruption happens.

To add further insult, choosing winners in the marketplace means the local and regional entrepreneur ISPs don't stand a chance, aren't going to attract investors or take the risks on under-served markets.

For once, can we please stop having the government "help" us, and instead, let people keep their own hard-earned money, and decide, for themselves, how to spend it?

battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

Re: What do you expect?

"To add further insult, choosing winners in the marketplace means the local and regional entrepreneur ISPs don't stand a chance, aren't going to attract investors or take the risks on under-served markets."

EPB has done a good job of running all of the local and regional companies out of town. The ones that remain focus the surrounding markets where they invest in employees and other assets outside of Chattanooga.
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Millenium

join:2013-10-30
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Don't Pay Frontier Another Dime...

without adding millions more in audit fees, leading to millions more in legal fees.

Hey, when the top 1% has 90%, on average, $9 out of every $10 you spend goes right to them.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
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·Verizon FiOS

this day and age...

with all the bad press that's come to light over the ridiculous USF and other TAXPAYER monies spent, you'd think they'd clean up the corruption and graft by corporations of local & state governments.

Really? $6200 per mile of fiber? I'd bet the average cost to lay down fiber is closer to $1k - $2k, not $6k. You see how helpful Fontier's been in other network builds. Why pick the bottom of the barrel of telcos who know but one thing-- and that's to fleece the money trough for as much as they can get with the public being none the wiser. Then maybe WV can have more monies for important projects like healthcare subsidies.

Former Emplo

@205.153.54.x

Former Employee

I am a former employee of this company, and I can tell you that the CEO of this company is a really cool guy, used to come to call center and chat with us pretty regularly.

That being said, they aren't really as worried about the issue so much as they are worried about making money. He has been on this rampage for a while now. And as much as frontier is an absolute joke of an ISP, Citynet are just looking to cash in here.
dhudson1984

join:2008-01-04
Charleston, WV
Reviews:
·Suddenlink

Re: Former Employee

No doubt. Citynet is a pretty legit company and they've been growing and doing pretty decent the past few years. They are a company focused more on expanding to fiber to both residential and businesses in the state. I think Citynet & Lumos will be competing heavily with each other in the next five years as a 100% all fiber company serving residential and businesses both along their fiber routes.

diablo1892
Plough, sew, water, harvest. Repeat.

join:2011-04-21
Friendly, WV

Keep it comming!

Frontier JUST got done installing IP address's into the nearby sub station and put up frontier DSL 25Mbps signs on my street.
My uncle had a call back today that hes gonna get his installation done on the 6th.
dhudson1984

join:2008-01-04
Charleston, WV
Reviews:
·Suddenlink

Re: Keep it comming!

Nice! It's nice to see more people in the state finally being able to be hooked up to real broadband! Just for future reference, "sub stations" are what power companies use. Telcos use central offices and/or remote terminals for switching equipment if you're out in a rural area. Cable companies use headends.

diablo1892
Plough, sew, water, harvest. Repeat.

join:2011-04-21
Friendly, WV
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Re: Keep it comming!

said by dhudson1984:

Telcos use central offices and/or remote terminals for switching equipment if you're out in a rural area. Cable companies use headends.

Pfff i don't care. 1.1MB/s with 69ms is good enough for me(was the score i got from a friends house that lives less than a mile from my place but coming from same line)

I told my friend hes being offered fiber where he lives, not just frontier DSL and he said this DSL is good enough for me so i don't need that fiber.

We will be running off some of that fiber out at my place. I watched as the frontier technicians spliced the fiber together with the DSL. They also showed me some other really neat stuff like the inside of the fiber and the inside of the DSL(route) box and all that cool sh!t.
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openbox9
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Are we allowed to commend corporations around here?

KrK
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Re: Keep it comming!

When you find commendable behavior, feel free.
openbox9
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Germany
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Re: Keep it comming!

diablo1892 See Profile did. There are plenty of other examples as well.

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK

Re: Keep it comming!

I agree. Google Fiber for example. Sonic.net is another.

BobVTin

@bhntampa.com

North Florida Broadband Authority

Google this fiasco and see how it is even worse in FL. Waste, Fraud, Cover Up allegations...when will Congress act and get to the bottom of this?