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 | | | Re: how about less promises huh? The company had already planned to launch Clear service in New York City, Houston, Boston, Washington, D.C., Kansas City, Denver, Minneapolis and the San Francisco Bay Area before the end of the year. Sounds like sometime before 12/31/2010. | |
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| | yeah right... i'll believe it when i see it | |
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| | | Re: yeah right... said by vlad1000:i'll believe it when i see it It's probably already available in parts of NYC. KC is listed to get this year and downtown KC is already up and running unofficially. | |
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| Re: yeah right... parts of Cleveland are being built now and probably being tested. I've seen Clear trucks and Sprint trucks all around their towers and Co-Lo tower locations (ie on the top of buildings).
The trucks i've seen have been around Cedar Road and Case Western Reserve University (both areas have high income and are very well populated areas).
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| | | | | Re: yeah right... Any idea on the range of these deployments? I wonder if they're going to cover the extended metro area? I'm about 25 min west of Cleveland so I hope they get around to covering my area sooner rather than later  | |
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| Re: yeah right... Have no clue. From where I seen their trucks it looks like it's going to be covered in the Metro areas first. As said before, I mostly see their trucks on the East Side--- University Heights, Beachwood, South Euclid, , etc areas.
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| | Lets Just Pass Up The Largest Cities LOL... Where is Phoenix? Phoenix is now the 4th largest city in the US and gets no love! Wow... | |
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| Re: Lets Just Pass Up The Largest Cities LOL... said by openupshop:Where is Phoenix? Phoenix is now the 4th largest city in the US and gets no love! Wow... No its not, Houston is the 4th. | |
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| | | | Re: Lets Just Pass Up The Largest Cities LOL... I got corrected...Okay 5th largest. Still the top 10 should be priority! | |
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| | | | | Re: Lets Just Pass Up The Largest Cities LOL... If they were to rollout based on market size, it would be by metro, not city.
But I'm guessing the rollout is determined by the ease of logistics to get it up and running. Some metros probably have better least-path-of-resistance than others for whatever reasons, such as backhaul availability for every site. | |
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kudos:2 | Maybe because Clear doesn't have an agreement with Cox for cheap bandwidth, whereas they do for TWC, Comcast and I'm guesing maybe even Charter... | |
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| | | | Re: Lets Just Pass Up The Largest Cities LOL... If Clear was stupid enough to use consumer bandwidth on their service, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
Clear buys Sprint bandwidth for the core network. They probably use Sprint dark fiber for backhaul. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Lets Just Pass Up The Largest Cities LOL... I didn't say that they use residential-grade coaxial cable. Cable companies have fiber deep into the network, so bringing fiber to the tower isn't a big deal. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Lets Just Pass Up The Largest Cities LOL... Except cable operators don't want to be a wholesale provider of pipe, ala ILECs. And they would have to have that extra pipe just lying around, not doing anything to begin with. Most cable plant is being milked to the absolute extreme.
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···d=154063
Interesting read. Clear is actually using microwave points to handle their backhaul. And their entire network is IP enabled, rather than the old school protocols. Makes for a fast, flexible network, and no money spent with Sprint for it. Although they do have to buy licenses to operate in the spectrum. | |
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| Re: Lets Just Pass Up The Largest Cities LOL... they already bought what they need in terms of spectrum. Plenty more than what the Big 2 Wireless providers own.
They have HUGE amounts of it for backhaul and do most likely use the Fiber from the MSOs which would make sense in many areas that they can't easily back haul to/from.
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| Clear has to do microwave to some fiber point...and that's either SprintLink or cableco networks, thence to SprintLink.
As far as cableco capacity, I'd beg to differ. Time Warner Cable was more than willing to quote me on a gigabit transport between my town of roughly twelve thousand souls and a much larger city, where I can then hop onto the internet. They were actually quite competitive on this circuit...we're talking single digit dollars per meg. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets Just Pass Up The Largest Cities LOL... Time Warner Cable != Time Warner Telecom. TWT sells dark fiber pipes. TWC sells HBO. And, as of last year, two separate companies.
Given the large incestuous relationship with Sprint, and all the SprintLink hops on my one customer with Clear at their shop, it's certainly a given they use them for their core routing. If they can use fixed microwave for their backhaul, they can consolidate their edge hop right at the cheapest place Sprint can provide it, eliminating the need to get to the edge with some local cableco or ILEC. And if they need a fiber backhaul, it would be easier on them to use Sprint rather than a hodgepodge of different local telecom companies. And, since their network is all IP based, having one vendor makes it simple to implement QoS throughout the entire network. | |
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| Re: Lets Just Pass Up The Largest Cities LOL... 1. I know what I'm talking about.
2. TWCable (NOT TWTelecom) was the one who gave me the quote. I've had sales reps who don't know the difference, then proceeded to tell me that "Time Warner" didn't have a POP within 60 miles of me. Which is true if you're talking about TW Telecom, false if you're talking about TWCable.
3. I'm guessing that Clear uses MSO circuits as network TRANSPORT, not necessarily TRANSIT (actually, probably NOT transit). It's very expensive to do high bandwidth microwave links, and SprintLink is a national backbone, not a middle mile network. If Clear just used SprintLink for everything then they'd have to haul their signal for a few hundred miles in some cases. That just isn't happening.
If you disagree with me and want to talk it over, PM me and I'll give you a phone number for a call... | |
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| TW Cable WILL SELL YOU Dark Fiber. They'll sell you anything you want out of their network. Metro, Ethernet, Fiber, anything! They'll even sell you a Fiber connection that goes from NY to LA if you are willing to pay for it.
It all is over THEIR Fiber Network. You don't have to use TWT for anything! It's all the MSO.
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| | Downtown Kansas City already up and running I just heard last night from a friend that he knows someone using WiMAX in downtown KC. This is no surprise as during the build out in previous cities, it was unofficially available for months until officially announced.
All of the cities listed for this year probably already have at least a portion of the city/metro up and running, with coverage growing weekly. | |
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| | | Re: Downtown Kansas City already up and running Its all ready up and running south of downtown over the Sprint Campus for almost 6 months now. | |
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1 edit | Re: Downtown Kansas City already up and running said by powerspec88:Its all ready up and running south of downtown over the Sprint Campus for almost 6 months now. No surprise it's been at the HQ campus for a while. It's new downtown though. I'm on the Plaza, wonder if it's there yet. I can see a Sprint site 2 blocks from my condo, on top another condo building.
I'm going to the downtown Sprint store later today to see if they can demo. I might get the 3g/4g mifi thing to test on Plaza if they will allow a return with no charge at all. | |
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1 edit | Re: Downtown Kansas City already up and running I went to the downtown KC store over lunch and as expected, they knew nothing about it. They have the 4G mifi (overdrive) in stock but didn't have one activated to test. I told them WiMAX apparently just went live in the last week downtown. Dude said he'll activate one and call me if it works in 4G mode.
He said I can return within 30 days but would have to pay the $36 activation fee and the usage would be pro-rated by day. Is worth $36 to me to trial as I want to get rid of TWC. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Downtown Kansas City already up and running said by hottboiinnc:They didn't know anything about it due to its not "offical" there yet. Right, wasn't clear on that. They knew about WiMAX coming but didn't know it was already active downtown and kinda doubted it until I said it was discovered just within the last week, so they plan to active an Overdrive and test it. | |
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| Re: Downtown Kansas City already up and running Sprint probably won't allow them to do it until the service is "official" there or until Sprint-Nextel decides to send out a memo to activate the new product for testing.
Sprint is very strange when it comes to things like that. they'd rather make sure that very few know about the launch and the build out than testing the network while its being built.
But as I have said before, at least Sprint-Nextel and Clearwire are actually busy building their 4G network, unlike ATT and VZ.
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| I noticed that Denver International Airport has significant added capacity last Sunday when I was there (on Sprint; WiFi is still crap). I'm guessing this is in preparation for the WiMAX launch. Hopefully they cover Golden when they do the launch; I'm betting a lot of folks would switch to Clear if they provided reliable fixed service, something Qwest doesn't tend to do. | |
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| Saint Louis Glad to see this coming to Saint Louis soon. I had read some postings on HoFo that Clear was hiring support and techs in the area, so we knew that it was coming. Confirmation is better though!
I've never been extremely happy with my ATT DSL service here. If Clear is reliable AND has acceptable pings, i might be switching to them when they get to town!
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| | any sighting of clear signal in nyc? has someone actually detected 4g signal from clear in new york city? | |
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| | | Re: any sighting of clear signal in nyc? NYC was announced to have WiMAX months ago. I'd bet there are a few areas that already have it. I'm thinking of getting an Overdrive. If so, will be seeing my brother in Bk Heights next month so will test around bk/city. | |
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| | | | Re: any sighting of clear signal in nyc? pleaseeeee post results of your signal findings in nyc on 4gmaps:))) | |
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| | clear nyc lots of sites being built in nyc now | |
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