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Clearwire Criticizes Verizon LTE Caps
Touts unlimited service, ignores ITU and pretends Clear is '4G'
With Verizon's LTE launch set for this Sunday, Clearwire's Chief Commercial Officer Mike Sievert takes to the company blog to take a few shots at Verizon and T-Mobile. Amusingly, Sievert claims that T-Mobile and Verizon's entry into the faster wireless broadband space has "prompted many in the industry to start a debate over the definition of "4G". Technically, what actually began that debate was the fact the ITU recently declared that none of the current deployments are technologically robust or fast enough to be considered true fourth generation -- though this doesn't stop Sievert from waxing poetic about what he thinks 4G is:

Well, as the pioneer in 4G and developer of the first 4G network in the country, we have been doing this for a while now and we think we have a pretty good idea of what 4G is. For us, the definition is quite simple: 4G is next generation. It’s a big leap over 3G, offering you speed and capacity that is several times greater, giving you the ability to have much more than just a thin layer of 3G Internet for checking sports scores and doing email. With 4G, people can experience the magic of true broadband, and have digital lifestyle options that were never available before.

That's all very interesting, except for the fact that WiMax isn't technically 4G, and neither is T-Mobile's HSPA+ or Verizon's current LTE incarnation. It's the ITU that declares what 4G is or isn't -- and not somebody's marketing department. It's not clear if Clearwire knows this and is just ignoring it, or if Sievert just hasn't kept up to date with industry discussion. Sievert then goes on to take aim at Verizon's 5GB and 10GB caps, which as we noted yesterday can be burned through rather quickly at the faster speeds LTE provides. Says Sievert:

In this increasingly noisy market, the mistake anyone can make is only looking at speed when the real differentiator in 4G is capacity. Because our network has so much spectrum (which translates into capacity) we can offer unlimited usage at a good price. For example, take a CLEAR customer using 20GB a month for $45. With Verizon and its usage caps on the 10GB plan, the same person could be paying $180 a month. Our advice to Verizon customers? Watch the clock every minute and count every megabyte. Our unlimited plans are our most popular plans, because no one wants to feel like they are on the clock.

Of course given all of that Clearwire debt, the company may decide to eventually follow Verizon's lead and apply more punitive overage pricing models.

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flbas1

join:2010-02-03
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hang in there

hang in there, clearwire. once you offer service at my home, there is a very good chance i will switch.

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Re: hang in there

said by flbas1:

hang in there, clearwire. once you offer service at my home, there is a very good chance i will switch.

I thought Clear, though not capping you, slowed you down after passing certain usage amounts. Is that true?
vlad1000

join:2005-05-19
Brooklyn, NY

Re: hang in there

umm yeah..they are a bunch of liars and thieves....so is verizon with their lte bull.....save your money for something else...
steer clear from clear...
don't believe me? look up clearwire reviews on facebook
squison

join:2001-07-07
Decatur, GA
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Re: hang in there

Or this post: »Attention CLEAR - You're about to lose a ton of customers
Or clear's support forums.

Their unlimited claim is bullshit. Unlimited as long as you don't do anything but check email, and if there's nobody else on your tower. Most likely within 6 months of Clear coming to your area you'll be capped to .5mbps every night.

sdflkjhg7654

@thvilledigital.net

Re: hang in there

Well not really, the only peopley being throttled are using over 10gbs at a time..

Thats a lot more than some emails lol
vlad1000

join:2005-05-19
Brooklyn, NY

Re: hang in there

yes mr clear representative, we BELIEVE you:)
hottboiinnc
ME

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Re: hang in there

and we should believe some CellCo Employee ?
alfnoid
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Not true at all.
Clear never disclosed the amount of traffic during a certain time period that you would have to pass before being throttled AFAIK.
squison

join:2001-07-07
Decatur, GA
It's on a monthly basis. Watch a few youtube clips, stream some movies off of netfix, download patches and you're over the limit. Hardly heavy or out-of-norm usage.
hottboiinnc
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only when the tower you are on is full. and its an equal throttle on everyone on that tower. NOT just a certain person.
alfnoid
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Re: hang in there

said by hottboiinnc:

only when the tower you are on is full. and its an equal throttle on everyone on that tower. NOT just a certain person.

Maybe not just a single individual, but certainly it is NOT equal.
What you are saying makes it sound like you along with everyone else on your tower is seeing an equal speed.

Clear is lying flat out with their unlimited advertising.
You can use as much as they will let you use and there are no overage charges. That much is true. Sadly your advertised 6mb connection can't use much at .25 or .5 mbps. Not much at all. So if you use clear for your home connection and want to watch netflix...sorry...you have used too much bandwidth and your speed has been throttled to .25mbps. Netflix won't work at that speed. You tube won't, yada yada. You get the point.
hottboiinnc
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Re: hang in there

you have proof of this?
alfnoid
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Re: hang in there

Start with the post linked earlier on

»Attention CLEAR - You're about to lose a ton of customers

then read around in the other posts here in the clear forum, check the official clear forum.
Plenty of proof...you just have to read the pudding so to speak.

BF69
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Camden, TN
said by flbas1:

hang in there, clearwire. once you offer service at my home, there is a very good chance i will switch.

Yeah the problem is Clear just liek everyoe else EXCEPT Veirzon has decided not to offer ANY service in my area. So I'm not holding my breath. So while it's great they have unlimited data until I can get it, quit bragging?
hottboiinnc
ME

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Re: hang in there

your area isn't worth their $$$$. No ROI. no service. it's that easy.

BF69
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Re: hang in there

said by hottboiinnc:

your area isn't worth their $$$$. No ROI. no service. it's that easy.

And appearantly Verizon thinks different. As shitty as thier 3G/4G pricing caps are at least they OFFER it. This is why Verizon get my business and will continue to get it.

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4G comparison

CNET has a 4G comparison chart:
»news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20024511-266.html

And they comment on the: is it 4G or not controversy.

del ftl

@comcast.net

Re: 4G comparison

Terrible article and comparison chart filled with incorrect or misleading data. If you looked at that for information you were misled in about a dozen areas. I've never seen something more wrong or amateur passed of by a semi-reputable site in a long time.

DoRight

join:2007-07-20
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I use about 25-30 GB per month

Last Results today:
Download Speed: 4589 kbps (573.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 1005 kbps (125.6 KB/sec transfer rate)

I've had service since June.. Had some speed issues last week so I called and complained and said I know better then what your trying to tell me. If this issue isn't resolves by next week then I'm cancelling. I also have a 4G/3G USB and had issues over the weekend in 3G coverage. They admitted it was something on their end and fixed it in 5 mins... It's still better and cheaper then having Comcast for home and Verizon Wireless for on the go.

DoRight

join:2007-07-20
East Petersburg, PA
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Re: I use about 25-30 GB per month

Who is bitching?? Why are you sooo defensive on Clearwire's behalf dude??? You have Clear in your area now and you think your the New Clear PR person. My speeds dropped to .50 MB down last week. I know more about Clear then you think. You would know if you've read any of my posts before..
hottboiinnc
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Re: I use about 25-30 GB per month

and like i said; you have proof that they target you? and you do realize that they do NOT give you a certain amount of speed you're able to achive right? of course not. instead you want to come on here and BITCH about something that you don't even realize. NO ISP will tell you that you can get 10megs down and 1meg up all the time on their connections. The only thing clear tells you that you can get is the upload. Download is not even said. It just says "upto" just like the other ISPs use.

DoRight

join:2007-07-20
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Re: I use about 25-30 GB per month

Being that I was working on the contract side until June. Umm yeah.. And when I called in to complain the rep said "Wait one minute and I will check to see if you are abusing our service as that might have something to do with it"... Hmmmmm Nuff said

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What kind of "proof" are you looking for? You want someone to send you a certified letter with notarized documents from 2 or more parties? The proof would be self evident. If they indeed did throttle everyone on a particular tower to .25 Mbps at the same time for days at a time, they would suddenly find themselves with a tower with no subscribers at all. Clear themselves state on their own support forums that they make excessive users "give up a small amount of bandwidth" so that all users can enjoy the internet, which leads a reasonable person to conclude that they don't consider every user an excessive user. Now their definitions of "small amount" and "excessive user" are both extremes since "small amount" is apparently 75-95% of the unthrottled bandwidth and "excessive user" is still unclear but the consensus seems to be around 7 gigs of data in a month, but that certainly indicates to me that they throttle on an account by account basis.
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said by hottboiinnc:

The only thing clear tells you that you can get is the upload. Download is not even said.

Not specifically familiar with what Clear claims. However the Sprint WiMax network is the same as the Clearwire WiMax network, no? And Sprint's download specs are clearly posted, 3-6 mbps typically. Their upload specs are not posted publicly, but Sprint's tech support will give them to you after you dig aggressively (I've done it a few times just to confirm their policy to my satisfaction). One normally will be transferred to two to three people before one will finally find someone who even knows what you're talking about, let along knows where to look for it. And the Sprint WiMax upload speed standard is quite simple, once they find it: .5mbps to 1mbps typically. The 1mbps does NOT represent the technological limit; that represents the cap that Sprint has imposed to protect the network's stability. Once the Tech Support person reads you that spec, they will almost invariably be honest that that is an artificial cap, NOT a technological limitation.

For the record, so far I've been getting just about that so far on the upload side with Sprint WiMax. And I've been getting an average of 9mbps on the download side, just a hair under the Sprint 10mbps download speed cap (yes, Sprint caps the download speed as well).

Of course, I have no idea whether these caps are imposed by the network which Sprint has bought, i.e. Clearwire, or whether these caps are being imposed only by Sprint in those corners of the Clearwire network which they have bought or leased or rented or whatever their arrangement is.
criggs

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Shortening this duplicate message, since I couldn't figure out how to delete it. Sorry.

Noah Vail
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Clearwire's 4G of Self Congratulation

Do we sort of pretend WiMax is 4G or not?

I've recently been testing the Sprint variant.
If you're in a good signal area, then this isn't 3G; it's far superior.

However, it attenuates a lot. I can't think of it as dependable, unless I'm stationary in a good area. I can drive for 20 seconds and lose a full set of bars (signal loss, not fluctuation).

I've also noticed, that Sprint's coverage maps reflect what looks like a bizarre deployment strategy.


Hudson FL


The darkest blue areas are indoor coverage; the next-lighter blue is outdoor only.

This map shows small pockets of coverage, some of them in isolated areas.
It shows one large swath of 4G stretching into the Gulf; most of it offshore from a decommissioned strip mine.

Not knowing how they construct these maps, I don't know what might be error, an anomaly, potential/future coverage or actual coverage.

Could some of the small areas be targeted coverage?
They could be backhauling from one of the available ISP's.

Maybe the map includes WiMax Femtocells!

Anyway, when time allows; I'll visit a few locations and see if there is anything to see.

NV
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Moropo
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Re: Clearwire's 4G of Self Congratulation

The Miami coverage is the same! I do not understand it! Its so spotty and also shows a lot of coverage of the sea, can anyone explain that?
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Re: Clearwire's 4G of Self Congratulation

said by Moropo:

The Miami coverage is the same! I do not understand it! Its so spotty and also shows a lot of coverage of the sea, can anyone explain that?

CLEARWIRE IS TURNING OUR OCEANS INTO GIANT WIMAX ANTENNAE! ! !

soon they'll be able to blanket the whole planet with clearwire wimax rays....woooooo

NV
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The ITU is too late ...

I was pretty surprised when the ITU made the statement that none of the current deployments actually met their 4G criteria and then set a higher bar. They locked the barn after the horse escaped.

The fact is that these deployments are a logical generation beyond 3G. Not 3.5G (3G with "add-ons"). They are sufficiently faster in data rate and they are architecturally sufficiently different. So what do we accurately label them?

It is what it is. If the ITU had the authority and responsibility to define 4G, it failed to do so before the market went out and defined it for them.

Don't get me wrong, I love a high bar and strong definitions. But what happened did happen and it's out there and it doesn't at all fit the 3G definition -- because it is not.
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Moropo
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Re: The ITU is too late ...

I completely agree with your argument.
Cogdis

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Re: The ITU is too late ...

said by Moropo:

I completely agree with your argument.

+1

Also, according to this article the ITU actually did allow Wimax and LTE to be called 4G before the standard was defined:

quote:
The organization previously approved the use of the term "4G" for Sprint's WiMAX and Verizon's LTE networks, he said -- though not for T-Mobile's HSPA+ network.

ITU's PR department ignored that approval in its recent statement about how future wireless technologies would be measured, the representative said. ITU representatives were not immediately available for comment.

Rambo76098

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Bravo my friend. If only someone at the ITU had the logic you do. At this point none of the cell providers are going to stop or change what they are saying.

T-Mo is the only one I take issue with. They can say they have '4G speeds' all they want, but don't really think they have any logical basis for calling their network a 4G network.

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What they said, I agree too.

Still, now that we're here; maybe we could do 3.xxG, where xx=theoretical d/l rate in Mb.

When we fill up the xx's we'll be @ 4G; provided we're properly frequency divided.

NV
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glinc

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Sprint WiMax

According to this comparison chart. Getting WiMax through Sprint is unlimited and no throttling.

»www.engadget.com/2010/12/01/lapt···d-value/

See 6 replies to this post

espaeth
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I'll take "Nobody gives a damn" for $100, Alex.

That's all very interesting, except for the fact that WiMax isn't technically 4G, and neither is T-Mobile's HSPA+ or Verizon's current LTE incarnation.
In the big picture of "stuff people should be worrying about in this world," this ranks pretty damn low.

They use the 4G name to imply the next generation of wireless, and they appropriately identify the max speeds. It's not like the average consumer knows what the hell "Real 4G" should be anyway, so it's not like they're trying to pull a fast one on an unsuspecting consumer base.

Metatron2008
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Re: I'll take "Nobody gives a damn" for $100, Alex.

If the customer doesn't know and they are saying it is something it isn't, then they ARE pulling a fast one. Shill for Clear at a dumber website.

espaeth
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Re: I'll take "Nobody gives a damn" for $100, Alex.

said by Metatron2008:

If the customer doesn't know and they are saying it is something it isn't, then they ARE pulling a fast one.

This is only true if people are buying the service because it's "4G" and not because of the advertised speeds.

If the speeds are defined, outside of pedantic assholes, who really cares what they call it?
sonicmerlin

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Re: I'll take "Nobody gives a damn" for $100, Alex.

said by espaeth:

said by Metatron2008:

If the customer doesn't know and they are saying it is something it isn't, then they ARE pulling a fast one.

This is only true if people are buying the service because it's "4G" and not because of the advertised speeds.

If the speeds are defined, outside of pedantic assholes, who really cares what they call it?

People who care about truth in advertising? People who care about honesty?
daveberstein

join:2002-07-15
New York, NY

ITU on this = Religious Zealots

Many of the ITU and standards folks are friends, mostly excellent engineers.

But they're out of line on this. The main keepers of the standard, the GSM group, long ago called LTE "4G" and so do most people.

Silly pedantry and petty egos, not an interesting distinction.

Geminimind
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Expensive

While clear may throttle you. They are cheaper than vzw's lte. and the overage and caps from vzw are insane

SIGINT

@clearwire-wmx.net

Sprint/Clear Wimax > Verizon LTE

Sprint/Clear 4G is the better option at this point.

Wimax is plenty fast. You get 10mb bursts, with average speeds in the 4-5mb range.

Latency hovers between 80-120 on most games

And you get unlimited data, which is key here. If you are a heavy user you get throttled when your tower has high utilization, but it goes back to normal once the tower has enough capacity.

Is throttling annoying? Yes, but it isn't a deal breaker, especially when see the nightmare verizon is creating.

Clear 4G > Verizon 4G...for now...
noisefloor

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Re: Sprint/Clear Wimax > Verizon LTE

I live just outside of Sprint "4G" range and have found their 3G service to be very fast. Verizon and ATT seem to be the networks to stay off of in my area.
criggs

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said by SIGINT :

Sprint/Clear 4G...[l]atency hovers between 80-120 on most games...If you are a heavy user you get throttled when your tower has high utilization, but it goes back to normal once the tower has enough capacity.

I have Sprint WiMax in Manhattan, NYC. So far I have not experienced throttling. Of course, they've only had Sprint WiMax here since November 1st. As I understand you, I can look forward to throttling eventually as the Manhattan subscriber base starts to expand, correct? Oh joy, oh bliss.

And down to what speed do they kick us when that happens, please? Thanks.
tmc8080

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god bless you early adopters, everyone.

who overpay for a service before it becomes affordable, prime time. unfortunately, that ends up playing into the greed of all of these companies, sprint, clear, at&t, verizon etc all inclusive. it will get more expensive & less competitive before it gets more competitive & less expensive, thus is the nature of wireless (and the state of competition) companies NEW & OLD.

exwimaxguy

@cox.net

4G Capacity and Speeds

I was the designer of a wireless network that used pre-WIMAX and WIMAX "unlicensed" radios in rural areas of Arizona. I was well versed in the term "up to" in all the marketing hype.

Spectrum:
Go to the FCC website and look how much spectrum your favorite wireless company company has. It's public knowledge. Don't let the wireless carriers bullshit you on who has the most capacity.

I will give Clearwire credit here, they have way more spectrum than anybody else, so their potential is "obviously" a lot greater than their competitors.

Speed:
I do know, for a fact because I did live testing on a live network a few years ago, that a 10MHz channel using the WIMAX standard can achieve at least 28Mbps to a client.

I am not sure what the bits/hz rate is now, and it might well be greater, but back then the radio manufactures were boasting an average 32 bits/hz download, which would give you a theoretical 32mbps in the download direction.

Signal Quality:
What most people don't realize with WIMAX is... there are several different modulation levels that a radio can connect to a tower with. Depending on the quality of the signal you have at a certain time/place, depends on the modulation level you will be communicating with, which controls the maximum speed you can get at that instant in time. Things that can hinder your modulation level are line of sight, interference, distance from the tower, etc...

Interference:
Since Clearwire has licensed spectrum, the interference should be very limited, so as long as you have good line of sight to the tower and are close enough, you should have a good connection, and the potential for the maximum speed you pay for.

Over-subscription:
The reason I say you have the "potential" for the maximum speed you pay for is because there is a finite number of customers that a radio on a tower can talk to at once. If you get too many customers on one radio, then you have to wait your turn to communicate with the tower, which takes time, which ultimately affects your speed.

To overcome those "finite capabilities", you have to have more radios to cover the areas where there are too many people trying to connect to the same radio. That takes money! I'ts obvious that Clearwire has a finite amount of money to continue to build... read the recent headlines.

File Sharing:
Another thing that can cause speed problems on a network, especially if you do not have full-duplex capabilities, is outbound traffic from customers. Applications that send thousands of small packets or create thousands of connections, such as VOIP, or peer-to-peer networking, can wreak havoc on a network. That is why just about "every" internet company out there has an "upload limit". Don't believe me, read your contract... it's in the fine print.

The funny thing is, the customers that use these applications that negatively affect the whole network, are the same customers that bitch about their speeds. They are creating their own problems along with problems for everybody else.

Personal Preference:
I switched to Sprint, because of the EVO, in July, after using T-Mobile for over 5 years. The T-Mobile Blackberry Bold 3G phone was less than stellar on speed. And knowing that T-Mobile, AT&T, and Verizon doesn't have the spectrum that Sprint/Clearwire has, I made the jump.

Satisfaction:
I am way more satisfied with the Sprint 3G service now than I ever was with T-Mobile's data service.

Hidden GEM:
I am in Phoenix. A couple of weeks ago, Mid November 2010, I was driving by Union Hills and 3rd St and noticed I had a 4G signal on my Sprint EVO. I turned into the next driveway I could and stopped in a shopping center parking lot and got on the internet. I was able to get 8.49Mbps downloads using one of the Ookla speedtest sights. It was awesome!!! I know my Sprint phone gets at least 8.5mbps with 4G. I wonder what I would get in Las Vegas or Southern California?

Future & Opinion:
I can't wait until Sprint/Clearwire 4G gets to Phoenix!!! It's a hell of a lot faster than the "maximum" 1.2-1.4mbps speeds that I had on my T-Mobile HSPA+ (T-Mobile version of 4G) phone. I am sure T-Mobile, AT&T, and Verizon all have the same over-subscription problems that Sprint/Clearwire has, but again,

SPECTRUM IS THE KEY AND CLEARWIRE OWNS IT!!!

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Clearwire Needs To Focus On Clear...Not Others!

Clearwire is broken...when I mean broken I mean from the top down it is one giant CF. Speaking from personal experience after I attempted to review them, this is a company so screwed up and incapable of properly serving it's customer that unless they make a 180deg turn in all areas Clear is doomed. Investor patience is wearing thin and they are incapable of retaining their customers for any length of time. The forums are filled with really ticked off people almost all with VERY valid complaints. At this point in time Clear has no right to point fingers at ANYONE. Fix your own house first Clearwire...

YOUMAKEMEILL

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I see my Clear tower

Well aside from all the hoopla you all are spitting it should be noted that Clear is currently testing LTE themselves and will probably convert-migrate or continue their build out using LTE so what ever... Like anything else in the world of computers every thing changes so fast the only thing that stays the same is the Bitching....

ohseedee

@sbcglobal.net

Sprint vs Clear

I just spoke to both Clear and Sprint via their live chats.

Clear admitted to throttling during peak times for high data users, but couldn't give me any information when a person would be throttled. He did make a point to note that most customers would never be throttled. He stated that a lot of their customers that are throttled have unsecured wireless networks (how would he know this?)

The Sprint rep said Sprint does not throttle any customers, but connection speeds may vary during peak times (which is understandable). Although Sprint sounds like the much better bet, she did state that I would have to sign a two year agreement to get service. Even if I bought a modem on ebay I would have to commit to 2 years. I asked what would happen if i moved outside a 4g area and she stated that the contract would still apply.

For me neither option is good. Clear doesn't require a contract, but throttles. Sprint doesn't throttle but I don't want a contract.

My ATT DSL gets a max of 2.5mbps, where tethering with my HTC Evo 4g with Wimax I can get over 6mbps. I dont want to sign up with sprint for 2 years, just to have U-Verse or cable come to my building and not be able to get it.
criggs

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Re: Sprint vs Clear

said by ohseedee :

Sprint doesn't throttle but I don't want a contract.

Where I'm concerned, being only a wireless person and being on Sprint, I'm very relieved to learn that Sprint doesn't throttle. Someone up thread indicated that throttling DOES take place, causing me some concern. However that person may not have specifically said Sprint does that; I believe he or she may have been referring to Clear, though I'm not sure.

ohseedee

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Re: Sprint vs Clear

I've had Sprint for almost a week so I am not able to give a full review. However, the speeds are great and easily 5x faster than my DSL. I'm geting full 5 bars of reception and get get around 11-15mbps down. I have done some heavy downloading in the past few days (large files and streaming HD video) with no sense of throttling. I would estimate I've had about 5gb of downloads so far and will probably hit 25gb by end of the month. I'm doing speedtests every day, so if sprint does throttle I'm sure i would be a likely target and I'm sure i would notice.

It's still too early to tell, but assuming I don't see any throttling, I might be able to say Sprint is by far the best option for wireless broadband, if you live in a WiMax 4g area and happen to be lucky and get full 5 bars of service. The speeds are around 5 times faster than I can get with DSL and I have no option for cable. Sprint (and Clear) as far as I know are the only ones with unlimited data. Verizon and TMobile all have caps on their 4g data. My only complaint so far is that my IP address looks like its in Florida, while I'm in Los Angeles. I'm not sure, but this could be a problem if data is routed to me differently by websites thinking I'm in Florida.

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