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Cogeco Enters U.S. Market With Atlantic Broadband Buy
New Properties in Pennsylvania, Florida, Maryland, Delaware and South Carolina
by Karl Bode 03:13PM Wednesday Jul 18 2012 Tipped by fspilot See Profile
Canadian Cable operator Cogeco Communications has decided to enter the United States broadband market with their acquisition of Atlantic Broadband (see our user reviews) for $1.36 billion. The move gives Cogeco about a quarter million new basic cable subscribers in portions of Pennsylvania, Florida, Maryland, Delaware and South Carolina. Cogeco hasn't exactly been winning hearts and minds in Canada the last few years, foisting metered billing on the back of their customers, and consistently raising rates. The company, which like many Canadian and U.S. ISPs benefits greatly from limited competition, went so far recently as to call smart shoppers who look for the best deal "undesirable." It's obviously too early to tell whether Cogeco will try to impose their low caps and overages on Atlantic users, whose current pricing can be found here.

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Cabal
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Oof

Tough break for Atlantic customers. Start writing to your Congresscritters now before the 40 GB caps show up.
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EvilByDesire
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Grotto

hmm

if they start hitting me with data caps per month i will move.. 2 towns over has fios..
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Gone
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Fort Erie, ON
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Re: hmm

You and the rest of Atlantic Broadband's customers have my most sincere condolences.
Os

join:2011-01-26
US
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Ugh

This is not good for us. I see nothing good coming from this at all.

This is definitely a wild card. I thought for sure we were headed to Comcast.

Maybe Cogeco will improve the TV offerings? I have a feeling it's about to get very ugly when it comes to internet.
cableman0327

join:2004-10-10
Westminster, MD

I Feel for you

Everyone of Atlantic subscribers should cancel there services for 1 month, make Cogeco hurt and let them know Americans are the boss!
Os

join:2011-01-26
US

Re: I Feel for you

Don't make me go back to Verizon here in Cumberland, Cogeco.

I don't want 3 Mbps DSL again.

To that startup NWT who talked of FTTH once upon a time, maybe you need to come back and save us.
15444104
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quote:
The company... went so far recently as to call smart shoppers who look for the best deal "undesirable"
The utter belligerence of this company is simply astonishing.

I think the customers are insane tolerating Cogeco's incredibly greedy, and money grubbing attitude.

Good point all their customers should cancel for a month and let them feel the pain.

elwoodblues
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Re: I Feel for you

The problem in Canada is that the cable companies have a "gentlemens" agreement and rarely encroach on each others territories.

So cancelling a service does really do much when choice is limited

bbeesley
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Re: I Feel for you

said by elwoodblues:

The problem in Canada is that the cable companies have a "gentlemens" agreement and rarely encroach on each others territories.

It may seem that way both in Canada and the U.S. but I did an analysis of this for my Telecom Regulations course paper when I was getting my Master's and it appears that simple economics are the cause of the large cable and telco companies not directly competing with each other.

The large cost of securing a franchise agreement and then building out a network to meet the requirements of serving every customer in a town require that the business plan show an expectation of a dominant - i.e. better than 50% penetration rate in the market.

If an established provider already exists, they have an advantage of being first to market and even if you could come in and get a large portion of their customers, it is unlikely that two companies could sustain sufficient market share to make their business case work and satisfy their shareholders...in other words, the economics say that both companies would loose. They don't need to talk about this or make deals, their accountants can see it clearly in the spreadsheets.

Even Verizon and AT&T appear to have given up on trying to build out their FIOS and Uverse networks and instead focus on developing LTE where they don't need the high-cost and burden of building facilities to connect every customer.

so, while it is easy to imagine a secret cabal sitting in smokey oak lined rooms making back door deals to stay out of each other's markets, Occam's Razor suggests that the much simpler answer is that they looked at the financials and decided it didn't make sense to take the risk.
CXM_Splicer
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Whats next?

Perhaps they will buy some of the FIOS areas Verizon no longer wants?
en103

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Maybe now...

You can watch Hockey Night in Canada on CBC
Os

join:2011-01-26
US

Re: Maybe now...

Here's the funny part. We have been blacked out of our local hockey team, the Capitals, for the last 4 years due to ABB dropping Comcast SportsNet DC here.

I guess we'll get the NHL Network, if nothing else.

Duramax08
To The Moon
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It has begun....

The invasion of the Canadians
Os

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Re: It has begun....

Of all the things Canadians have to offer, the one thing I didn't want was their metered broadband.

Can't we have their healthcare instead?
EdmundGerber

join:2010-01-04
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Re: It has begun....

said by Os:

Of all the things Canadians have to offer, the one thing I didn't want was their metered broadband.

Can't we have their healthcare instead?

Great post!

I commiserate - I'm barely clinging to an unmetered account here in Canada. Thanks to cogego it's become the norm to gouge your customers. Expect less value for your money than ever, unfortunately.

Worst ISP in Canada.

MarkAW
Barry White
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Re: It has begun....

said by EdmundGerber:

said by Os:

Of all the things Canadians have to offer, the one thing I didn't want was their metered broadband.

Can't we have their healthcare instead?

Great post!

I commiserate - I'm barely clinging to an unmetered account here in Canada. Thanks to cogego it's become the norm to gouge your customers. Expect less value for your money than ever, unfortunately.

Worst ISP in Canada.

They give BeHell a good run for the money.
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just a thought...

If they do foist the 40GB cap, be sure to look at the options. Last I knew we still had a 150GB cap for legacy adsl and a 250GB cap for uverse. Which if you look at it from the 40GB cap perspective will be gold.

It may take is a few days to get answers on bellsouth prequal areas for at&t service, but we can take them if needed.

Just figured I wouldn't be doing a good justice if I didn't mention this. I figure a good public service message is better than nothing at all.
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Os

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Re: just a thought...

Verizon is uncapped here for DSL, but 3 Mbps is the max speed in Cumberland.

And they're just awful to deal with.

40GB would be awful considering we've never had caps, and ABB's TOS explicitly mentions that they do not cap.

I have a feeling I'm going to miss you, ABB.
simon726

join:2006-12-21
Ajax, ON

Cogeco's presence in Portugal

Remember how Cogeco formerly a cable company from Portugal (any evidence on that?)? It was sold back in February 2012.

beans

@verizon.net

Comcast, bad for cogeco

Comcast will be happy to pick up abb customers, since cogeco will probably impose the 40 gig cap.

Treegravy
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canada

Re: Comcast, bad for cogeco

I strongly doubt Cogeco will impose a 40 gig cap. Say what you will about Americans but the biggest compliment they have going is that they aren't Canadians. Plus they have guns. Lots of guns.

beans

@verizon.net

Re: Comcast, bad for cogeco

I am american, don't have a gun, but being near a ghetto, I know how to find guns, guns, and lots of guns.... and some other stuff you don't want to know.

Cable Dude 5

@rogers.com

Cogeco

Off Topic, but Cogeco is 40% owned by Rogers.

Last Parade

join:2002-10-07
Port Colborne, ON

Dear Atlantic Broadband customers:

Move. Now.

Mellow
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Salisbury, MD

WISP

If I was a WISP I would be looking at moving into these areas to service the pissed off customers.

urbanriot
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What are Atlantic Broadband caps / prices and competitions?

I'd be interested to hear from Americans, what they're currently getting with Atlantic Broadband in terms of bandwidth caps and pricing.

I'd also love to hear what competitive cable offerings there are in the area and what their pricing is.

Curious if Cogeco's Canadian packages are comparable or considerably worse than what Americans currently have and if Cogeco's Canadian package model is incompatible with those in the United States. I can certainly speculate but I'd be interested to hear first hand!

urbanriot
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Re: What are Atlantic Broadband caps / prices and competitions?

Looks like a helpful contributor responded to these questions already in the Cogeco forum:

said by Os:

Hi guys. You might have seen me post on the front page stories. I'm an Atlantic Broadband customer, and I'm sure you'll tell me all you know.

The fact is, there's no competition to speak of in these areas.

Verizon has not built FiOS in any ABB territories in MD. They are milking 3 Mbps DSL here for all it's worth. The only place that has FiOS and ABB is Middletown, DE. FL and SC are AT&T markets, and U-Verse is garbage, it is available in South FL areas with ABB.

Verizon is the landline phone company for all of MD and the affected areas of PA, but they have no interest in laying fiber here, unfortunately.

These are areas that can be milked and neglected, and they have under ABB. We have very few channels compared to other operators.

This is just proof that no company in the US wanted to deal with us. In 1998, we were owned by TCI here in Western MD (the eventual largest base of Comcast's current customers), then we were sold that year, being considered non-strategic to a company who was bought out in a few months by Charter. Then in 2004, Charter decided they didn't want us and the other areas anymore, and Atlantic Broadband was a start-up at that time. The South Carolina market was an acquisition around 2007-2008 for them.

said by Os:

Nope, no caps at ABB. Explicitly in the TOS and AUP.

And we just got D3 speeds. We have 40/3 as a max here for $69.99 with no caps right now.

South Florida has 75/5 for the same price, and a 110/5 tier.

redpenguin

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Who Knows

Not sure if this means anything but "Atlantic Broadband general counsel" claims that it's only a change in ownership that "packages and services" will not change.

"This change in ownership does not affect the management or operations of our cable systems, nor will it change our rates and services," stated Atlantic's general counsel, Bartlett Leber, in the letter.

Only thing I can take from that statement is maybe the current Atlantic Broadband owners will manage just not own as I have seen with my local mall.

I'm still not 100% comfortable with this as I enjoy watching tons of online TV, using my free VoIP phone, and more, so a cap for me would not really be a good thing.

My Source: »www.altoonamirror.com/page/conte···?nav=725