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Comcast 50Mbps To See Price Cut
To $99.95 when bundled and $115.95 standalone...

An insider at Comcast tells us the company will soon be dropping the price on their rather pricey 50Mbps/10Mps tier, which currently costs $139.95 a month. Additional documentation obtained by Broadband Reports seemingly confirm the price cuts -- at least in California. The documents suggest that starting in the June 20 billing cycle, Comcast will be dropping the price of the tier from $139.95 to $99.95 if bundled with TV service and/or Comcast Digital Voice service, while dropping the price to $115.95 for the standalone 50Mbps service.

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We asked Comcast for comment and were told they have nothing to announce at this time. One source insisted that the prices would be official as of midnight last night, though as of this morning the Comcast website makes no reference to the new prices. In addition to the new 50Mbps pricing, indications are there should be a handful of small (as in less than a dollar) pricing reductions to a number of converter, cableCARD and service downgrade fees.

Rumors surfaced earlier this week that the carrier was preparing a new 100Mbps tier, so the timing for a 50Mbps tier price drop would seem appropriate. There's no indication that the company's 250GB cap will change anytime soon. Cablevision recently set the high watermark for the industry by offering a 101Mbps tier for $99 a month -- albeit with a $300 "activation fee."
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Even at $100, not a good price value

50/5 at $100/mo is still not a good price point when you can get the Ultra tier of 22/5 for $63/mo.

P.S.> I remember reading in the Comcast forum here that the Extreme Tier is 50/10 and not 50/5
»NJ - Internet Package Changes
»Comcast High Speed Internet FAQ »What are the actual Provisioned Speeds?

P.P.S> I see the original story has been corrected from 50/5 to 50/10 and even at 50/10, I still don't think it is a good value.
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Re: Even at $100, not a good price value

Indeed. I just got a call from Comcast about what I was paying. I had HSI alone at an introductory price of $30/month (plus taxes, modem rental, etc). That price ended this month.

They called me saying the price would go up to ~$60/month plus taxes, modem, etc. If I got basic cable tv service it would drop the total bill to $57 and they updated me to the 22/5 tier at no extra cost.

The 250GB cap on Comcasts lines are not a point of contention for me. Reading DD-WRT's graphs, I've barely even come close to using 100GB on a very heavy month. But I can't see myself paying $100+/month for 50mbps service because that would make it extraordinarily easy for me to come close to that cap.
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You hit the nail on the head. The speed is merely the shiny bangle designed to make you think that you are getting something for your money. You really cannot use that speed, nor do they even guarantee that speed.

If you were greedy, selling someone something that they cannot possibly use is a great idea!

cw
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Re: Even at $100, not a good price value

said by wentlanc:

You hit the nail on the head. The speed is merely the shiny bangle designed to make you think that you are getting something for your money. You really cannot use that speed, nor do they even guarantee that speed.

If you were greedy, selling someone something that they cannot possibly use is a great idea!

cw
Then don't purchase it.. right?

Has anyone stopped to think that this service may, JUST MAY, be appealing to business users? ... at - all ??

Hint: Not everything is about the residential user.
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Re: Even at $100, not a good price value

Then what is that business teir for?

And I'm not purchasing it. I used 7 gigs last month, including working from home 3 days a week. There is 0 value to me.

Hint:All the BS excuses don't work.

cw
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Re: Even at $100, not a good price value

Sigh...

Okay.. do you REALLY think there is a separate cable to the house vs the one that goes to business?

Do you not think that there are people that run businesses from their home and may want that kind of power/speed?

Should they ONLY offer the tier to business and then hear people cry foul when they say "Why should I have to buy a business tier to get the same speeds.." and "...this is BS!"... ?

Seriously.. you're right.. all the BS excuses don't work.. so stop making them.

You're being given valid points and yet you refuse to listen.. so you already have the answers I suppose do you're just ranting. Maybe it's time to use that noodle between your ears and realize there are more reasons out there that MAY just not be BS..

.. and let me just say this.. it's really time for people to get off this "me me me" crap mentality.. there are Millions of "me" out there and not everything is going to work, make sense, or fit into the life of.. "me"... just becuase something doesn't fit in with, or work for you "me".. doesn't make it a BS excuse.. when you say that, however, it does make you look like a whiner.

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said by fiberguy2:

Sigh...

Okay.. do you REALLY think there is a separate cable to the house vs the one that goes to business?

Do you not think that there are people that run businesses from their home and may want that kind of power/speed?

Should they ONLY offer the tier to business and then hear people cry foul when they say "Why should I have to buy a business tier to get the same speeds.." and "...this is BS!"... ?

Seriously.. you're right.. all the BS excuses don't work.. so stop making them.

You're being given valid points and yet you refuse to listen.. so you already have the answers I suppose do you're just ranting. Maybe it's time to use that noodle between your ears and realize there are more reasons out there that MAY just not be BS..

.. and let me just say this.. it's really time for people to get off this "me me me" crap mentality.. there are Millions of "me" out there and not everything is going to work, make sense, or fit into the life of.. "me"... just becuase something doesn't fit in with, or work for you "me".. doesn't make it a BS excuse.. when you say that, however, it does make you look like a whiner.
The 250 cap just SUCKS. No matter what speed it is at, it SUCKS. SUCKS. So do not try to polish a ****, because it is still a ****. And the cap SUCKS, in case you forgot. SUCKS.

And it is not about "me,me,me" but about something PURCHASED that is marketed in a DECEIVING manner.

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said by sturmvogel6:

And it is not about "me,me,me" but about something PURCHASED that is marketed in a DECEIVING manner.
It is not marketed in a deceiving manner. EVERYONE knows about the 250 GB cap.

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said by sturmvogel6:

And it is not about "me,me,me" but about something PURCHASED that is marketed in a DECEIVING manner.
It is not marketed in a deceiving manner. EVERYONE knows about the 250 GB cap.
Show me ONE advertisement that CC puts up where the 250 GB is mentioned. One.
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Who's polishing anything? Me thinks you're a little bit over zealous here... lashing out at someone that doesn't agree with you isn't going to make your opinion any better or worse.. just makes you look silly.

Compared to what ever cap is out there, it's FAR better than what the telco fanbois are faced with, now huh?

Have I EVER been in support of the 250gb caps? If you pay attention, you'd know better. However, I also don't believe that your rights, or alleged rights, supersede the rights of others.

I want MANY things in life to be different, but they're not. I also don't lose sleep over things so petty as this.

What you and many like you don't realize is that things cost money.. prices always go up, not down. (A little lesson,... deflation isn't a good thing) And, if you try to diminish the cost from one sector, it's GOING to move to another.. you're NOT going to make things get ultimately cheaper.

You're expecting that your $42 internet connection is going to replace your TV bill, phone bill, and every other bill and make them damn near go away.. ain't going to happen. Costs are going to shift from one service to another.. that's a fact.

And, as was said, NOTHING is being deceiving, just becuase you say so. Sorry...
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Re: Even at $100, not a good price value

You are a bald-faced liar. The price of internet network maintenance goes DOWN every year. TWC spends minimal amounts of money maintaining their network ($37 million) compared to their insane 28% profit margin ($4 billion).

Your attitude that somehow a heavy downloader's internet usage is interfering with a light user's internet usage is inherently flawed. The internet is constantly evolving, and TWC makes more than enough money to evolve with it. It is inevitable that more and more people will begin to use bandwidth-intensive apps more regularly, increasing their monthly usage all the time.

In every industry power users pave the way for the mainstream to get involved. The presence of power users creates demand for new product, which gives startups and entrepreneurs an economic incentive to innovate with wonderful new services.

Even if we were to take your (completely illogical) side about the "cost" of the internet, It has been shown time and time again caps do nothing to curb congestion during peak hours.

And metered usage doesn't make sense, because nothing is *consumed* when you use the internet. It's *not* like water or electricity, where there's a tangible finite resource available. And those utilities are under strict control by the government to prevent predatory pricing. If TWC really wanted to go the way of metered pricing, they would have to accept such federal control.
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said by sonicmerlin:

You are a bald-faced liar.
Oh my F'ing god! Are you kidding me with this? I'm a Bald face liar huh? WOW! grow up. And the last time I called someone a "liar" my post was removed by a mod.. mayeb yours should be removed too?
The price of internet network maintenance goes DOWN every year. TWC spends minimal amounts of money maintaining their network ($37 million) compared to their insane 28% profit margin ($4 billion).
Um... not necessarily true.. but if you want to put it in simple terms.. um.. no, I still can't accept that. Maintenance costs don't always go down.. sorry, that argument doesn't hold water.

The operators are constantly upgrading networks. You also have to factor in the cost of labor increases, energy costs, etc. So, I'm sorry if I don't agree with some random number you're citing with out any source. Or, are you an expert simply becuase you're a subscriber? (That one's been around for years, by the way, and I still don't buy it)

And, you come with the "billion dollar" argument in profit.. how much is being spent on facility upgrades and builds? Seems so easy to sit back and make these calls, I bet.
Your attitude that somehow a heavy downloader's internet usage is interfering with a light user's internet usage is inherently flawed. The internet is constantly evolving, and TWC makes more than enough money to evolve with it. It is inevitable that more and more people will begin to use bandwidth-intensive apps more regularly, increasing their monthly usage all the time.
I'm exhausted and don't have the energy to, once again, explain to you how wrong you are.. things don't just "evolve" with out spending money.. is the network alive? Does it mature and grow larger like a new born baby? what? explain that. And by the way, simply saying "your attitude is *inherently flawed*..." neither makes your side any more correct or you more intelligent on the issue.
In every industry power users pave the way for the mainstream to get involved. The presence of power users creates demand for new product, which gives startups and entrepreneurs an economic incentive to innovate with wonderful new services.
So, who's the power user here.. the average BBR joe that wants more for less? or people like me that were willing to pay $89.99 a month with a $300 install and 24 month agreement for a 384/384 DSL line back in 1998? I'm sorry to tell you, but no, POWER USERS do not "pave the way"... someone who wants to just "USE' the internet doesn't make it grow.. it still takes "money".. and that comes from "EARLY ADOPTERS"... not "power users" as you say.. there is a difference.
Even if we were to take your (completely illogical) side....
STOP! RIGHT THERE! This VERY arrogant attitude of yours only makes you look a fool. You could VERY well have tried to argue your position with out telling me that my point is "completely illogical"... the fact that you even tried to go there makes you, once again, look a fool. You can't sit back and tell me I know "nothing" what I talk about, becuase I have MORE background into this that CLEARLY you do.. I've worked in the overall industry for years.. and you? .. are you a "power user" and that makes you the most-smartest? what? Leave the critiques of my posts out, and I'll do the same to you. Side tracking your post while making arguments to the post of another only is spin and shows that your point is less valid..

go on..
...about the "cost" of the internet, It has been shown time and time again caps do nothing to curb congestion during peak hours.
Shown time and time again huh? Apparently, you, like many others, don't get what caps are about. First off, you're incorrect. For ever study that says they don't work, I can show you studies that show you they do. To begin with, that's not why they are there. They ARE there becuase those so called "power users" that you talk about earlier, were rally pigs. They were the reason neighborhoods would slow down. The service was never designed to be a haven for 24/7 downloaders. It wasn't enough for people to understand "typical residential use".. so the people got what they asked for.. a defined cap. And, for the record, yes, caps do work. It stops people from downloading gigs of data a month which does over load a shared medium.

I'm sorry I can't agree with you.. I'm not one that finds the first study, or only studies that show that caps don't work simply to quote and support my view.. I look at ALL sides and form my own opinion.. do you? You've clearly not payed attention to any of the studies that show they DO work or you would be talking about them too.. but you're not.
And metered usage doesn't make sense, because nothing is *consumed* when you use the internet. It's *not* like water or electricity, where there's a tangible finite resource available.
Seriously?? So you're saying that you have to feel something? touch something?? How do you hold electricity in your hand? And, you're trying to say that power is finite? Put up a windmill and you'll get all the power you want! Next, you're trying to say and imply that the internet ISN'T finite.. WOW!

Okay.. I think this conversation is over with you.. the internet is finite as we speak.. there is not an infinite resource. You CLEARLY do not understand the internet.. you're basing what you say PURELY on emotion and desire.. there are engineers here that are WAY further up the food chain than me that can explain this better and probably care to.. there was a gentleman on this site about a year ago that explained PERFECTLY well why the internet is not an unlimited resource.. and how you can derive a physical cost to providing internet services..

Water, you can hold. Gas, you can quantify.. electricity, you can't. When it's produced, you either use it, or lose it. Un-used power does not get stored anywhere.. it does not get held until it's needed.. you generate the power you need. The internet IS power.. you push data.. data is not invisible.. it has a measurable unit.. if it wasn't able to be measured or, as you say, "consumed",... and if you REALLY want to run with that.. um.. you're clearly not educated well on this topic and shouldn't be acting like you're an authority on it.. if you were even correct, then we'd not be on a journey to "INCREASE CAPACITY" of the internet...
And those utilities are under strict control by the government to prevent predatory pricing. If TWC really wanted to go the way of metered pricing, they would have to accept such federal control.
Its that simple huh? So if you want to be on a metered billing, you must be regulated ... wow.. Okay, first off, the internet isn't a utility.. are we settled on that? Second, metered billing does not equate regulation. I pay for my rental car by the mile sometimes.. should it be regulated? There are many examples I can tell you of "metered billing" but it's not worth it.. not with you. I'll just get a ton of emotional based responses that won't mean anything.

Seriously.. you don't know what you talk about.. not when ti comes to reality and facts.. please say what you want.. by all means, but don't come in here trying to tell me I'm not correct, or as you put it, completely wrong and a "bald faced liar".. becuase you clearly have not demonstrated, with this post, that you know anything of what you're talking about.
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No, just like I do not believe that there is separate head end infrastructure supporting the business class versus residential. Another reason why I laugh when you people say to get a business line when you want to use more data.

If someone is running a business from their house, then it is a business. Yay! You're a damn genius Gump!

Business class only means better SLAs and support. It has nothing to do with different wires, speeds, or bandwidth.

This has nothing to do with "Me Me Me" I've stated before... I used 7 gigs last month, and that includes working from home for 3 days a week. It doesn't affect me in the least, but I still don't like the path they are headed, and all of the deceptive practices.

cw
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You can say "deceptive practices" all day long, but you've yet to quantify them.. .care to try? .. or are we all just ranting and bitching for fun?

These arguments are really starting to sound petty ... bottom line is that things cost money.. and you're going to have to pay up.. unfortunately for you, what you feel you want to pay isn't going to change that alone. You're going to have to make some sacrifices to get your point across.

And, too.. this generation has NO idea what sacrifice means.. Many people here want to take and take and never offer anything for it. I'm guessing that many people here that bitch and moan about $20 vs $40 internet costs never stepped foot in the military.. many people here probably don't have any significant savings account BUT have iPhones or MP3 players and an HD TV set sitting in their living room.

I'm sorry if I don't feel sorry for people in these weak arguments.

As for your 7 gig.. if that's all you're using, then you have no need to bitch about 250 gb caps then do you?

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said by fiberguy2:

I'm guessing that many people here that bitch and moan about $20 vs $40 internet costs never stepped foot in the military.. many people here probably don't have any significant savings account BUT have iPhones or MP3 players and an HD TV set sitting in their living room.

As for your 7 gig.. if that's all you're using, then you have no need to bitch about 250 gb caps then do you?
I have been an officer in the East German Army, the NVA. And also I have ran into the 250 GB limit EASILY using an 8 Mbit connection.
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The culture difference explains a lot, for one. We're not like Germany and the other countries with socialist views... thank god. We're trying that now and look at what it's getting us.

.. and? what about what you said? it still doesn't answer the charge of deceptive practices...

Unlike you, I have fought for THIS country.. it doesn't make a difference in the end anyway.. but my post still stands to the numerous people here that don't know the meaning of sacrifice.
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said by wentlanc:

If you were greedy, selling someone something that they cannot possibly use is a great idea!
Tell that to all the people who buy performance cars to commute to work in. That Porsche 911 doesn't go any faster than the Geo Metro POS in front of it in rush hour traffic.

The bottom line with these tiers is that you can hit the max rates quite often, and that has value to it. (just like the folks with Porsche 911's like being able to let them loose from time to time)

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said by SpaethCo:
said by wentlanc:

If you were greedy, selling someone something that they cannot possibly use is a great idea!
Tell that to all the people who buy performance cars to commute to work in. That Porsche 911 doesn't go any faster than the Geo Metro POS in front of it in rush hour traffic.

The bottom line with these tiers is that you can hit the max rates quite often, and that has value to it. (just like the folks with Porsche 911's like being able to let them loose from time to time)
I have a Maserati and I use it to commute to work. It does make a difference being able to move around the soccer mom's yakking on the phone in their 3 ton trucks moving 45 MPH in the left lane.

Having things and being able to use them is somehow better than paying for stuff and bragging how little it is being used because one does not have any idea what to do with what they purchased.

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said by wentlanc:

You really cannot use that speed, nor do they even guarantee that speed.
This was what I was wondering myself. I have 16Mbs, I think. I never see that speed, not because of Comcast, but the other end. When I download a file and see 4Mbs, I can then go after another, and get another 4Mbs or more, but the full 16Mbs is only useful when I happen to have many things going on at once. I never see a single server trying to send much over 4-5Mbs.

I'd imagine multiple video streams could take advantage of such speeds, but not the average consumer.

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I would happy with 20/20, without powerboost. The pricemark is always $40, anything more alot of people just cant afford it.

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Thats because someone keep mentioning that comcast 50mbps tier 50/5 and karl get confused
There is charter 60/5 and we all know that is 99 dollar a month still sucks thought

I prefer 10/10 for 53.99 or 20/20 for 91.99 by fios surewest still pretty pricey but a better bargain still

even 5/5 for 39.99 is a much better deal in opinion unless of course you are able to pull off 5mbps 90 percent of the times
if all you do is youtube and stream video at less then 5mbps then 60mbps is just like a car that can go 300mbps but you are only driving at up to 65 or 70mpbs even in rare cases like on the highway

60/5 is a crippled connection that even 10/10 is 200 percent better
and 5/5 isn't any worse then 60/5
that's why satellite sucks because the upload is so poor that download is no better then dialup in any circumstances
10/1 vs 5/5? definitely the latter
20/2 vs 5/5? latter
30/3 vs 3/3 about the same
40/4 vs 5/5 latter for most ppl unless of course all you do is leech... i bet a lot of us use p2p so 40/4 isn't better then 5/5

50/5 vs 5/5 in this case, for most user 50mbps download isn't very useful or useful at all in most cases because its very hard to pull of more then 1.5mbps on the internet or even in p2p

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said by FFH5:

50/5 at $100/mo is still not a good price point when you can get the Ultra tier of 22/5 for $63/mo.

P.S.> I remember reading in the Comcast forum here that the Extreme Tier is 50/10 and not 50/5
»NJ - Internet Package Changes
»Comcast High Speed Internet FAQ »What are the actual Provisioned Speeds?

P.P.S> I see the original story has been corrected from 50/5 to 50/10 and even at 50/10, I still don't think it is a good value.
It varies depending on where you live, how far they have gone to upgrade the networks in that area. Some Areas don't have 50/10 some may. Eventually I believe Comcasts goal is to have 50/50 or atleast something higher on the upload than even 10.

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Again, the CAPS are the problem

What the hell are these people thinking. By MY calculations, a 768/128 connection is capable of passing the 250GB cap per month, so why would anyone PAY more? Look at it this way, if you are a heavy user, and I suspect most BBR users are, then the 50Mb tier, well, you will hit you cap in less than 12 hours. I have the FIOS 30/30 Tier, and I AVERAGE about 4 TB/month. Granted, in a 7x24 situation, I am only averaging about 7mb/sec, and I don't DO it 7x24 (closer to 6x12), so on average, I don't use much more that 1.6Mb/sec when I am on, but damn, I only pay $70.00 for the privledge. If I was cursed with comcrap, to use the same 4TB/month, I would need to pay for 8x16 connections, and let's see, at $65.00/month x 8 cable modems, that would set me back over $500.00 a month. The point I'm trying to make, it doesn't MATTER what the speed is, if you GET a 768 connection from comcrap, you CAN hit your 250GB cap. Getting anything faster, if you use the internet a lot, is just paying for more for less.

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Higher speeds do not mean everyone will always consume more.
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said by ptrowski:

Higher speeds do not mean everyone will always consume more.
Exactly. I can't figure out why that's such a difficult concept for so many to grasp.

What I want, I want immediately. I don't want more of it, I just want it faster.

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said by 67845017:
said by ptrowski:

Higher speeds do not mean everyone will always consume more.
Exactly. I can't figure out why that's such a difficult concept for so many to grasp.

What I want, I want immediately. I don't want more of it, I just want it faster.
Not entirely true, when comcast went from 3 to 7meg, i started watching HD netflix etc. So the caps eventually become a problem. The higher speed the more you can do.

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said by DaveDude:
said by 67845017:
said by ptrowski:

Higher speeds do not mean everyone will always consume more.
Exactly. I can't figure out why that's such a difficult concept for so many to grasp.

What I want, I want immediately. I don't want more of it, I just want it faster.
Not entirely true, when comcast went from 3 to 7meg, i started watching HD netflix etc. So the caps eventually become a problem. The higher speed the more you can do.
Very true, but I think that the notion of higher speeds = faster time to the caps is not always the case.

On my ISP I went up to 10 meg, and I watch HD Netflix also. But I would need to avergae 11-12 gigs a day on a 30 day month to get to that cap, which would be ough as I work all day at the office.

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said by DaveDude:

Not entirely true, when comcast went from 3 to 7meg, i started watching HD netflix etc. So the caps eventually become a problem. The higher speed the more you can do.
7meg? Comcast never had 7meg service... 6 - sure! 8 - yes!

"the more you can do."
So, at 3mbps you couldn't run into a 250GB cap?
3mbps will theoretically allow you to hit 949GB in a month(more or less).
Uhm, yeah.

Ever since ~6 years ago @ 1500kbps(1.5mbps) I have rarely hit 35GB per month - even today at 16mbps.

You have to remember, the majority of Comcast HSI subscribers will never get to 1/10th of the 250 cap(or are even aware of any cap).

Me sitting at the 30-35GB per month range means I am slightly above the average.
They aren't worried about me, and I sure as hell aint worried about 250GB.
Yeah, I download movies, watch por... videos, download all kinds of software, etc - but I like to get it ASAP.
*SPEED* allows me to get my stuff faster than way back when @ 1.5mbps... obviously.

Having 2MB/sec(16mbps+) does not mean I am downloading more... just means what I do download gets here a bit faster.
All the above will apply to 99%+ of all Comcast subscribers.
The rest... well...

DaveDude
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Re: Again, the CAPS are the problem

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Not entirely true, when comcast went from 3 to 7meg, i started watching HD netflix etc. So the caps eventually become a problem. The higher speed the more you can do.
7meg? Comcast never had 7meg service... 6 - sure! 8 - yes!

Having 2MB/sec(16mbps+) does not mean I am downloading more... just means what I do download gets here a bit faster.
All the above will apply to 99%+ of all Comcast subscribers.
The rest... well...
Well my system recently became comcast, but i always get less the they claim. Anyway the point is that its possible to do more, and with that ability the more chances you are going to hit the cap. For example I can do HD video, which is something about 1-2 G a movie, compared to SD , there is a big difference.

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Re: Again, the CAPS are the problem

But you are dismissing that the new speeds are not the issue since with 3mbps you were still able to exceed(multiply) the Comcast 250GB cap.

I'm trying to explain that speed does not mean volume.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you will, or should, blow past 250GB.

HD... sure! But you could have still drilled the network(under ideal conditions) with 3mbps to the tune of 949GB per month.

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Metatron2008
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said by dadkins:

said by DaveDude:

Not entirely true, when comcast went from 3 to 7meg, i started watching HD netflix etc. So the caps eventually become a problem. The higher speed the more you can do.
7meg? Comcast never had 7meg service... 6 - sure! 8 - yes!

"the more you can do."
So, at 3mbps you couldn't run into a 250GB cap?
3mbps will theoretically allow you to hit 949GB in a month(more or less).
Uhm, yeah.

Ever since ~6 years ago @ 1500kbps(1.5mbps) I have rarely hit 35GB per month - even today at 16mbps.

You have to remember, the majority of Comcast HSI subscribers will never get to 1/10th of the 250 cap(or are even aware of any cap).

Me sitting at the 30-35GB per month range means I am slightly above the average.
They aren't worried about me, and I sure as hell aint worried about 250GB.
Yeah, I download movies, watch por... videos, download all kinds of software, etc - but I like to get it ASAP.
*SPEED* allows me to get my stuff faster than way back when @ 1.5mbps... obviously.

Having 2MB/sec(16mbps+) does not mean I am downloading more... just means what I do download gets here a bit faster.
All the above will apply to 99%+ of all Comcast subscribers.
The rest... well...
Find us actual numbers of customer use, otherwise quit pulling numbers out of your ass.

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wentlanc
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And just exactly how much faster is the content that you want when you have 50 megs versus 20? There is a point at which your speed will not matter in any unicast stream of data. You are at the mercy of the slowest link in the path between you an the other end of the connection.

Are you getting a solid 20 now? If they can deliver 50, your 20 should be at full 20 ALL of the time.

Why should everyone just accept higher and higher prices, when there is little return for the money??

cw

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said by 67845017:

said by ptrowski:

Higher speeds do not mean everyone will always consume more.
Exactly. I can't figure out why that's such a difficult concept for so many to grasp.

What I want, I want immediately. I don't want more of it, I just want it faster.
There is no such thing as immediately
with a bigger pipeline you can receive it faster
its like a car that can go faster but no matter how much you pay it cannot go much further without more gasoline

to a user that don't use much bandwidth like you, i think even dialup is good enough for you

you can take your time and brag about your low usage lol

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... its because too many people are too busy finding ways to download more things they don't need and not taking the time to actually think and use their brain.. that's my opinion.

In a day and age where everyone is hooked and glued to EVERY WORD that they say on a commercial, or so it seems, you'd think they'd also hear them say "get done faster".. which, to me, says that what used to take me, say 20 minutes to get done, can now get done in, say, 5 minutes... I don't think the commercials say anything like "down load even more stuff in the same time you used to download less".. I dunno.. maybe people like us are reasonable and not addicted and hooked to the internet like it's crack.

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Higher speeds do not mean everyone will always consume more.
I pay more for it and I could get more content that I PURCHASE. Why not use it if I can ?
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I want a dollar everytime someone post this crap. I'll be rich by end of the month.

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Re: Again, the CAPS are the problem

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I want a dollar everytime someone post this crap. I'll be rich by end of the month.
I'm sorry that amount is capped to $250.

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I want a dollar everytime someone post this crap. I'll be rich by end of the month.
Don't you work for CC ? You should already be rich.

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Some customers feel the need for speed (depending on how many people [in a family, for instance] use the connection at one time & what they're doing) and some don't. If you want it and want to pay for it, fine; if not, that's fine, too. TEHO

Of course, having the same cap for all speed tiers could become somewhat counter-productive (for the customer, I mean... as opposed to Comcast--can you say "overage fees"? ).

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Re: Again, the CAPS are the problem

said by mod_wastrel:

Of course, having the same cap for all speed tiers could become somewhat counter-productive (for the customer, I mean... as opposed to Comcast--can you say "overage fees"? ).
Comcaast doesn't have overage fees.

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Re: Again, the CAPS are the problem

You left out the "yet". (Are so gullible as to think that they don't have the same plans for metered billing (UBB) that almost every other cableco has? ...whatever.)
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hmm

We've got to ask ourselves, who really cares? Comcast has a 50Mbps service which only means you can get to your band width cap even faster. On top of that it's still over priced after the price break so forget that.
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Re: hmm

$2.00 so far
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WOW

Where do I sign up? Oh, yeah DOCSIS 3.0 is not in Miami and probably won't be here until late 2009.

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But where Comcast has a monopoly

But where Comcast has a monopoly, 8Mbit continues to be the best we can get. Makes quite an argument for competition, doesn't it?

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mikedz4
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comcast monopoly to get worse

I believe with verizon selling most of it's landline business outside of major markets later this year to frontier I look for comcast to quit offering any incentives to areas like ohio and west virginia to name a few. Frontier has already said that they will lower their highest tier to 1mbps for the same price that people pay for 3mbps with verizon now. Directv/dialup is looking better andbetter all the time.

yesimanonyomous

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Still to pricey

How about you make it around the $70-75 range when bundled.

Metatron2008
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I'd like to see actual stats on customer use.

Not companies blowing smoke, not company ass kissers saying 'customers only use blah blah amount of gigs per month', REAL STATS.

If the stats aren't provided then you shouldn't be saying that customers use a certain amount of a fake number pulled out of your ass.

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Call me when it's $99

$116 unbundled for 50/10 is still too much when you've got a cap.

Now I'm not going to argue that being on faster internet gets you reaching your cap quicker (though I do download MUCH more over my 8/2 cable in Colorado than this crappy 512/??? wireless connection...though I'll have to be careful this month to avoid going over my 25GB cap here). However I will say that if you buy a HIGHER TIER of service you are likely to use more bandwidth since you paid to have a higher tier of internet, and thus you *care* about how fast you pull stuff down.

I'm not upgrading this wireless connection because with a 25GB cap on all tiers it's pointless. Sure, it'd maybe (during time the system is working correctly) allow me to stream audio while my brother is watching YouTube. Heck, maybe we could do dual YouTube streams (1 Mbps). But you get the picture.

Bottom line: if you're paying $100+ for an internet connection then by golly you're going to use it. Over 250GB even. Personally I use maybe 100-150GB, but I no longer use online backup. I could max out 250 with no problem on online backup...I have a lot of crap on my computer (yay DV files of video I've taken).

That's also a big draw for higher upload speeds. I don't "need" 50 Mbps down as much as I "need" 20 Mbps up. I can honestly say that, even if Comcast pushed their 50/10 tier down to $60 and Verizon FiOS was in the area, I'd pick the 20/20 FiOS. 2.5 MB/s is plenty fast for everything I use my connection for, when doubling the download speed would halve uploads.

Still, this will be nice for areas with both Comcast DOCSIS 3 and FiOS. Verizon will now have to compete on price with their 50/20 tier in those areas as well as in their NYC market and other big DOCSIS 3 places (No. VA). The result: 50/20 for $90, and Comcast is back to where they started: selling a subpar, capped product for equal or greater prices vs. the competition.

Yes, I can see a very few uses for 50/10 over 22/5 on a residential connection with a 250GB cap, but the real uses for 50/10 would be on an uncapped business connection. Which, last I checked, isn't getting a price drop.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad for triple play customers with 50/10 who are getting a $40 price drop and standalone peeps who will now get the service for $24 less. I just don't see any need whatsoever for the service; sure it's 2x the upload of the 22/5 package but the cap is the same and the price is still too high. 40¢ per GB isn't my idea of fun...

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