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| Re: :( And in-field labor will by dubious at best. When Comcast last rolled out new lines here, the trucks were not Comcast branded and only the guy driving and in the bucket spoke English.
Same thing with the crew that came a day or two before before them to trim trees -- minus the bucket guy; only the driver was english-speaking. I thought I'd fallen asleep and awakened in California. I know because I asked (tried) them who they worked for - Comcast subs.
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None on the southside...none that I know of on the northside. There are suburbs to the North and West, but those are not in the city. I suspect this is the case in different cities. However this gives Comcast the false bragging rights to say all of these major metropolitan areas are in transition. This claim should not valid unless there is a minimum 50% truth behind it. I certainly hope these claims are weeded out when the FCC makes their broadband map too. I beleive its false claims like these that have actually left our true broadband status in question.
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It's to give John Q Public and the idiots in Washington the false perception that these areas are already covered. | |
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: false advertising It's nothing new. They've been advertising 16 megabit HSI in this market for awhile now but if I try to order it they best they can do is 4 or 6. But that doesn't prevent them from stuffing both mailboxes full of fraudulent come-ons every week.
That's just the way they think. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: false advertising said by RadioDoc:It's nothing new. They've been advertising 16 megabit HSI in this market for awhile now but if I try to order it they best they can do is 4 or 6. But that doesn't prevent them from stuffing both mailboxes full of fraudulent come-ons every week. That's just the way they think. Is that just your connection? Or are you speaking for each subscriber in your area? | |
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| | | | |  FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | i live in evanston and docsis 3 is here. i just choose not to get it. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: false advertising said by FBGuy:i live in evanston and docsis 3 is here. i just choose not to get it. You cannot choose not to get it. YOU HAVE IT! You do not have a speed tier that requires a DOCSIS 3.0 modem if that, but you cannot choose to stay on a different network than what Comcast uses to service your city. | |
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| | | | | | | FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: false advertising um i meant i have u-verse. i choose not to do business with comcast. its too freakin expensive. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: false advertising said by FBGuy:um i meant i have u-verse. i choose not to do business with comcast. its too freakin expensive. That definitely is one way to not have it. Not having their service at all definitely stops you.  | |
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| | | | | | Re: :( Well, perhaps, if "real Americans" were willing to work for little less you would see more English speaking workers cutting trees. You're not implying these people were illegal immigrants, right? I doubt that Comcast would do such thing. Hence they were perfectly legal foreigners who are willing to work for a less money, while still above official minimum. The problem with "real Americans" is that you have to learn to take losses! If you were making $30 per hour yesterday you'd rather stay home then make $20 today! | |
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| | FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | this creates work, not jobs. jobs are there for the long term. this is not long term. | |
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|  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
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| said by brianiscool:What is the point? We will all be living on the street by then. The point is to fool the masses into thinking that comcast is providing faster service when in true it just smoke screen to keep competition like fios or fiber from popping up | |
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| Does no good.. This is great that they can give you all of this speed but until they increase and/or remove the caps this accomplishes nothing. | |
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join:2004-01-26
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kudos:2 | Re: Does no good.. Just because customers can move more bits per second doesn't mean customers will move more bits. DSLR goers tend to erroneously link increased consumption with capacity increases. Personally, I would love to have a 22/5 connection and I wouldn't come close to using 250 GB/mth. | |
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| | | OMG, cry more about the caps please. It's almost as annoying as people claiming FIRST on posts. I wouldn't be surprised if Qwest or Verizon had people making sure to post about caps everytime a Comcast story is posted on DSLreports. | |
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| | | | Re: Does no good.. said by ancow :
OMG, cry more about the caps please. It's almost as annoying as people claiming FIRST on posts. I wouldn't be surprised if Qwest or Verizon had people making sure to post about caps everytime a Comcast story is posted on DSLreports.
Thanks for your permission, I will. I wouldn't be surprised if Comcast had people making sure to post about how caps are "for our own good" and that everyone who dislikes caps is a service abuser and a digital pirate. | |
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| | Get to caps faster Faster speeeds mean users will hit their caps sooner be over the cap limit for longer each month. | |
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| Re: Get to caps faster said by hoyleysox:Faster speeeds mean users will hit their caps sooner be over the cap limit for longer each month. I have a hard time subscribing to the camp of "fast bandwidth, download more". In theory that would happen, but I question in reality how many people actually do.
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kudos:4 | Re: Get to caps faster I agree. For me, I want something and I want it fast. It doesn't mean that I want more. That theory mostly must apply to usenet and p2p users. | |
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join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 | Re: Get to caps faster said by Goober:I agree. For me, I want something and I want it fast. It doesn't mean that I want more. That theory mostly must apply to usenet and p2p users. Agree. And the reason caps were put in. To rein in those users who leave P2P running non-stop eating bandwidth for no good reason.
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| | | | FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: Get to caps faster bandwidth is not a limited resource? is it? | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Get to caps faster It is if you are reselling an oversubscribed pipe. | |
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| | | |  ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
join:2001-08-02
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1 edit | said by Romney2012:said by Goober:I agree. For me, I want something and I want it fast. It doesn't mean that I want more. That theory mostly must apply to usenet and p2p users. Agree. And the reason caps were put in. To rein in those users who leave P2P running non-stop eating bandwidth for no good reason. I'm sorry, but if I order a 50/10 package that costs god damn $150/month just for that speed tier..I expect to have NO CAPS. That price is fucking outrageous to have a damn data cap. Unless you have money that you don't know what to do with of course.
Its not all about p2p traffic these days... | |
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Naperville, IL
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1 edit | Re: Get to caps faster said by ztmike:said by Romney2012:said by Goober:I agree. For me, I want something and I want it fast. It doesn't mean that I want more. That theory mostly must apply to usenet and p2p users. Agree. And the reason caps were put in. To rein in those users who leave P2P running non-stop eating bandwidth for no good reason. I'm sorry, but if I order a 50/10 package that costs god damn $150/month just for that speed tier..I expect to have NO CAPS. That price is fucking outrageous to have a damn data cap. Unless you have money that you don't know what to do with of course. Its not all about p2p traffic these days Bottom line is that a business can charge what it wants. In this case, they probably don't want every jerk like you jumping on the service. They intend for it, at least at this point in time, to be used by people that want speed.
Pricing isn't just about cost+markup. It's also about controlling demand and targeting certain market segments and demographics. | |
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join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
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| Re: Get to caps faster said by Goober:Maybe I will, once you shut your fucking face. Bottom line is that a business can charge what it wants. In this case, they probably don't want every jerk like you jumping on the service. They intend for it, at least at this point in time, to be used by people that want speed. Pricing isn't just about cost+markup. It's also about controlling demand and targeting certain market segments and demographics. Sorry to tell you, but MSO's are all about markups. Their the king of fees, and the king of marking up every single rental STB/Remote/DVR/Modem you can have.
The caps on the other-hand has nothing to do with P2P/Torrents/streaming etc.. It has to do with their subscribers, far exceeding their last mile capacity(s). I could also go into the rationale, of them capping HSI because of their core VOD/TV/Premium content etc.. but that's too easy.
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kudos:4 | Re: Get to caps faster No need to apologize. I've worked just a wee little bit in the business world. Amazingly, I've learned some things in the past 22 years.
Anyway, you made my point. They don't want every jerk jumping on the service. At that price point you limit those numbers and manage the demand. They basically shape behaviors through their pricing. | |
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| Re: Get to caps faster said by Goober:No need to apologize. I've worked just a wee little bit in the business world. Amazingly, I've learned some things in the past 22 years. Anyway, you made my point. They don't want every jerk jumping on the service. At that price point you limit those numbers and manage the demand. They basically shape behaviors through their pricing. jerk? nicely worded... no use wasting my precious time with a close minded dude who motive is money and not service oriented. greed=evil. | |
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| said by ptrowski:said by hoyleysox:Faster speeeds mean users will hit their caps sooner be over the cap limit for longer each month. I have a hard time subscribing to the camp of "fast bandwidth, download more". In theory that would happen, but I question in reality how many people actually do. I agree. They upgraded the speeds in my area from 6Meg to 12 Meg and i just get what i want faster. I don't actually download more. | |
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|  DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1 | I disagree, its exactly when you went from dialup to broadband, did you download more ? Yes.
Its the same all over you cant compare 3Meg to 20 or 40 for that matter.
It will affect usage.. | |
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| | GooberPremium
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Naperville, IL
kudos:4
2 edits | Re: Get to caps faster That's a biased analogy you're using to support your position.
A more accurate comparison would be when you went from 3 mbps to 6 mbps or from 6 mbps to 12 mbps. In each of those jumps, the increase in the amount of downloading FOR ME increased at a slower rate. At this point, going from 15 to 50 or 100 I just don't see downloading anything more than what I do know. I barely hit 50GB/month on my present connection, and that's with three kids a wife and myself on it.
For big/constant downloaders, yes, I can see where usage will increase. | |
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| | | | | Re: Get to caps faster When I went from 10 to 30 Mbps, my usage increased because I was able to stream HD video more reliably. | |
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| Re: Get to caps faster said by fifty nine:When I went from 10 to 30 Mbps, my usage increased because I was able to stream HD video more reliably. That I can see, but to Goober's point there is only so much content one can view in 24 hours or store for a later use. Now as HD streaming becomes more mainstream I can see, but streaming is streaming whether you are on 20 MB or 50 mb.
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| | | | | markofmayhemI can haz competition?Premium
join:2004-04-08
Pittsburgh, PA
kudos:4 | Re: Get to caps faster I find it atrocious that we as consumers are allowing ISP's to set caps on usage AND tier speed. Either do away with "speed" tiers and charge by capped usage like cell phone minutes or continue the "speed" tiers and remove the cap. I don't like having both.
With that said, the 250GB cap is large enough for residential use. If you need more, pay the extra $10-20 for business class internet. The 250GB cap is very generous for residential use.
Would it be safe to assume that HD streaming is the "big player" against the cap in legal residential use? If so, Netflix is quite possibly the largest player on the block. With PC or direct to TV devices such as a few Blu-ray players and the Xbox 360, at this time it is probably the more dominant "stream to TV" service.
Netflix streams HD using VC1AP codec at a maximum bitrate of 3800 kbps Source
250GB is 2,097,152,000 kilobits
551,882 seconds of streaming Netflix HD before cap is met
If average movie is 2 hours, that's 72 movies per month.
This isn't an unreasonable cap. I do, however, disagree with the cap + tier packages. I would like my pie and cake as well. | |
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| you can video stream netflix to your tv 8 hour a day everyday of the month and still not hit the cap. if you do more than that you need business class service or you download music and movie all day long everyday. | |
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| said by hoyleysox:Faster speeeds mean users will hit their caps sooner be over the cap limit for longer each month. same cap same crap?
what use is 50mbit or 100mbit? comcast is silly
I will go with provider that doesn't have cap and just as fast or faster. remove the cap and we will see that even 6/1 or 8/2 is even better then 50mbit with caps.
these company are doing themselve a disfavor by imposing cap causing many of us to defect to other provider.
they act like we have no choice,its either them or no broadband connection. | |
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| Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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kudos:4 | said by hoyleysox:Faster speeeds mean users will hit their caps sooner be over the cap limit for longer each month. Flaw in logic. You only hit the cap faster if your internet habits change as a result of faster speeds. Will I watch more online video if download speeds go from 6 mbps to 12 mbps? No - nor will most people. The only ones that are up in arms are those people who are downloading dozens of movies(most of which they will never watch) just because they can.
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| Re: Get to caps faster said by Romney2012:said by hoyleysox:Faster speeeds mean users will hit their caps sooner be over the cap limit for longer each month. Flaw in logic. You only hit the cap faster if your internet habits change as a result of faster speeds. y can. But i think people will develop new habits as speeds increase, i never did streaming video until recently.
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| | |  dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
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kudos:18 | Re: Get to caps faster I've done streaming video since the 1500kbps days.
I still do streaming video today.
My speeds have multiplied over the years but my consumption hasn't.
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| | | GooberPremium
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kudos:4 | said by DaveDude:said by Romney2012:said by hoyleysox:Faster speeeds mean users will hit their caps sooner be over the cap limit for longer each month. Flaw in logic. You only hit the cap faster if your internet habits change as a result of faster speeds. y can. But i think people will develop new habits as speeds increase, i never did streaming video until recently. I agree. But for NOW, the caps should be plenty for the vast majority. I've developed new habits as well, with streamin video and the like. But still, I come no where near to the caps. And, I'm a relatively big user.
Regardless of whether anyone admits it, consistent overage by a garden variety user (i.e. ones who aren't in the content provider or IT business) at least suggests excessive p2p or usenet downloads. | |
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| Re: Get to caps faster said by Goober:I agree. But for NOW, the caps should be plenty for the vast majority. I've developed new habits as well, with streamin video and the like. But still, I come no where near to the caps. And, I'm a relatively big user. Regardless of whether anyone admits it, consistent overage by a garden variety user (i.e. ones who aren't in the content provider or IT business) at least suggests excessive p2p or usenet downloads. again who are you to decide whats right for all of us. plenty my butt... plenty??? in your opinion...
you hardly use any of your bandwidht meaning you spend too much time debating over silly issue and not do any productive with your connection. I can use more then 50gb even with 768k. really pathetic. really. :|
you are not a broadband user, you are a junky who like to brag about number and preach about how cap is good for all of us. You sound like a nazi that everyone has to accept this cap or face disconnect or higher fee
again i will not put up with this and so will many others.
have fun preaching about cap and how you can download faster because many others aren't using their bandwidth due to your propaganda. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Get to caps faster Time to lock up the thread. We've reached Godwin's Law. | |
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jwdv22
join:2008-01-15
Phoenixville, PA | Still sucks! "Comcast's $42.95 "Performance" 6Mbps/1Mbps tier becomes 12Mbps/2Mbps..."
Oh really? In Comcast's backyard (Philly area), Verizon is 20/5 for 35.99/month.
What a steal!!! Can't wait to go back to Comcast and their terrible HD PQ and lack of HD channels.  | |
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| Re: Still sucks! said by jwdv22:"Comcast's $42.95 "Performance" 6Mbps/1Mbps tier becomes 12Mbps/2Mbps..." Oh really? In Comcast's backyard (Philly area), Verizon is 20/5 for 35.99/month. What a steal!!! Can't wait to go back to Comcast and their terrible HD PQ and lack of HD channels. with caps it doesnt matter if its 6/1 or 12/2 lol
or 16/2, 22/5, 50/10
imagine getting a call from a rude csr and say you better cut down on your usage or we're cutting you off for good.
if you don't want ppl to use much try this instead
3mb/1mb
2mb/768k
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join:2004-07-11
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| Re: Still sucks! said by jadebangle: if you don't want ppl to use much try this instead 3mb/1mb 2mb/768k 1mb/512k bandwidth problem solved Even cheap routers have QoS settings, If the cap worries YOU so much, set yours to a low enough level that you can download "full speed" 24/7 without hitting the 250 mark. | |
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| Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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kudos:4 | said by jwdv22:"Comcast's $42.95 "Performance" 6Mbps/1Mbps tier becomes 12Mbps/2Mbps..." Oh really? In Comcast's backyard (Philly area), Verizon is 20/5 for 35.99/month. What a steal!!! Can't wait to go back to Comcast and their terrible HD PQ and lack of HD channels. So don't go back. Pretty easy, right.
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Phoenixville, PA | Re: Still sucks! said by Romney2012:said by jwdv22:"Comcast's $42.95 "Performance" 6Mbps/1Mbps tier becomes 12Mbps/2Mbps..." Oh really? In Comcast's backyard (Philly area), Verizon is 20/5 for 35.99/month. What a steal!!! Can't wait to go back to Comcast and their terrible HD PQ and lack of HD channels. So don't go back. Pretty easy, right. Is that a question? Comcast blows. That is not a question. | |
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|  dnoyeBFerrous Phallus
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join:2004-01-19
Caldwell, NJ | HDTV So what does DOCSIS 3.0 mean for HD channel expansion? My area (North NJ) supposedly has the new "faster internet" according to the above linked website, but our area is infamous for a lack of HD channels.
Shouldn't DOCSIS 3.0 equate to more bandwidth for more HD?
Also, do I need to get a DOCSIS 3.0 modem to truly take advantage of the speed increases?
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| | | Re: HDTV Actually HSI and TV compete for bandwith over your cable.
Taken by iteself, adding DOCSIS3.0 takes away precious bandwith from the option of adding more HD channels, and uses that space to provide more HSI.
But in reality, I'm sure Comcast has overall plans to increase available bandwith (mainly removing analog channels), so that there's enough for more HSI and more TV.
So while a rollout of DOCSIS3.0 does mean space that could be used for HDTV is being used to support data, it probably means they've cleared up some room for both HDTV and D3.0... | |
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Suffern, NY | Re: HDTV said by jaydee :
Actually HSI and TV compete for bandwith over your cable.
Taken by iteself, adding DOCSIS3.0 takes away precious bandwith from the option of adding more HD channels, and uses that space to provide more HSI.
But in reality, I'm sure Comcast has overall plans to increase available bandwith (mainly removing analog channels), so that there's enough for more HSI and more TV.
So while a rollout of DOCSIS3.0 does mean space that could be used for HDTV is being used to support data, it probably means they've cleared up some room for both HDTV and D3.0...
D3 means one other thing - Support for IPv6. IPv6 means that the Set Top box's microcode can be upgraded to support IPv6 Multicast which is the TCP/IP equivalent of SDV and thus can keep the number of channels needed for Broadcast as opposed to VOD usage lower (there is only those streams that your node needs being sent instead of ALL the channels even if no-one is watching). | |
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Philadelphia, PA | PHL hey dsl reports, could you stop saying "philly metro" got this last year. we're in comcasts HQ city and we did NOT get it last year. the burbs did, tho. "philly metro" perhaps means the larger area, but it certainly implies that those of us in the city have it. | |
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Philadelphia, PA
2 edits | It's Not In This Part Of Philly... It's not everywhere in Philly.
I guess they are waiting for Verizon FIOS to kickoff the high speed game.
That's fine though, thirty seconds after Verizon wires my neighborhood, I'll be a Verizon FIOS customer. | |
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| nipseyrusselNipsey Russell, yo
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Philadelphia, PA | Re: It's Not In This Part Of Philly... "I guess they are waiting for Verizon FIOS"
exactly. pathetic in their hometown.
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1 edit | said by Micko:That's fine though, thirty seconds after Verizon wires my neighborhood, I'll be a Verizon FIOS customer. But half a million others won't be. | |
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| Denver? One can only hope...we're DOCSIS 1.1 right now and there are some congestion issues, especially upstream, so if you upload anything you get throttled. Okay, not anything but close.
Unfortunately, Denver need not be on Comcast's high priority list for upgrades, though I'm sure we'll get service anyway by the end of the year. The reason? Qwest: their top tier gets about the same download bandwidth as a Comcast 16 Mbit conection, and uploads are about 1/3 of Comcast's speed. No cap, but you also get interleave. Additionally, 20 Mbit (aka 17 Mbit) DSL isn't available in all areas; I'm in Golden and 7 Mbit is the best they have, with 5 Mbit where I live.
So really all Comcast needs to do here is add a Blast tier, make sure their network has enough capacity to give advertised speeds 24x7, and call it a day. Fortunately, we're a big enough market that that won't exactly happen, and we'll get DOCSIS 3.
What's rather annoying is Comcast's routing structure: Level3 goes out of Denver, not sure about Qwest (who uses it anyway for backbones anymore?) and pretty much everything else goes out through Savvis (LA or sometimes NY), Cogent (LA), TW Telecom (LA), Global Crossing (LA) or their own backbone if your web host happens to be directly connected. InterNAP? Comcast -> GLBX (LA) -> InterNAP LA. XO (MagicJack)? All the way to LA and back, twice for a round-trip. Highly inefficient.
Grr. Denver is a (minor but still) internet hug, but probably 80% of my traffic goes to LA through south Texas. Not cool. | |
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| Re: Denver? said by iansltx:Qwest: their top tier gets about the same download bandwidth as a Comcast 16 Mbit conection, and uploads are about 1/3 of Comcast's speed. No cap, but you also get interleave. Additionally, 20 Mbit (aka 17 Mbit) DSL isn't available in all areas Uh, I hate to rain on your parade but Qwest DOES have a cap, its just not announced like Comcast's is.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Denver? All ISPs will cut you off for excessive use on a residential connection. But soft caps are generally a bit more forgiving (hence "soft" than hard limits like Comcast's. Plus, Qwest doesn't throttle BitTorrent, or anything else for that matter, AFAIK. | |
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| | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: Denver? said by iansltx: Plus, Qwest doesn't throttle BitTorrent, or anything else for that matter, AFAIK. Correct... they don't.. and I love Qwests' hands-off policy when it comes to HSI, well, to some point. They've been hands-off on any kind of upgrades in over 10 years here. Still at the 1.5 meg level.
Many of QWest areas still are stuck at the 3 and sometimes 5 level and MANY areas are still at 1.5 and under.. the way I see it, they're entire DSL network IS throttled.  | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Denver? lol, here it's 5 Mbit. A few streets over it's 7 Mbit. I know of a place where you can get 20 Mbit, but the neighborhood is high-class and in Denver.
Sounds like Qwest's network is sorta like Windstream's...except Windstream peeeps mostly top out at 3/384, with no overprovisioning, and their highest tier is 12/768, overprovisioned.
Rather sad really. | |
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| | | Comcast actually does have the Blast tier in Denver (SE Aurora anyway) but they aren't allowed to give it to you unless you specifically ask for it. I don't know how long it has been like this, but last Friday I called about internet and asked if they had anything faster. "Well, because you ask, we can offer 16/2 service for 75/month" | |
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| | Capt. Obvious "What we're finding is that... gaming, downloading and other applications get even better with more speed..."
Wow... really? | |
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 mbernsteBoostedPremium,MVM
join:2001-06-30
Piscataway, NJ | Not competative How is this competition against FiOS? Their tiers are more expensive, slower, and have caps. They need to take a page from my ISP (Optimum Online) and remove the caps and offer 33+ mbit down and 5+ mbit up at a $60 price point, and we're not even on DOCSIS 3 yet! | |
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| dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | Re: Not competative How is FiOS any competition for Comcast?
Comcast is in 33 states and has a footprint of 14.6(?) million HSI customers.
Here in The S.F. Bay Area, FiOS doesn't exist. At all.
Even AT&T is strugling to get their Uverse deployed.
Not that it's all fiber ayways - they seem to like copper in many areas. 
Right here, Right now, Comcast is blowing the "competition" out of the water!
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| Re: Not competative Got to agree with you. I finally dumped Comcast after all their multiple rate hikes for "improvements" only to see squat in terms of improvement. I was still using the cable strung up 15 years ago by the local cable company that got swallowed up by TCI then by Comcast. I never say a Cable guy in all those years doing anything in my neighborhood (East Bay). They wouldn't even come out to re-attached the cable after it was ripped off my house by a passing truck. The old cable had sagged so bad after 15 years it was flat out too low to the street). Still waiting for something to happen here as there is nothing but 1.5/384 DSL (if you are lucky) although every ISP will promise you 6.0/768 then try to back down when you press them for even a faint glimmer of a guarantee.No FIOS, No Uverse No real speed. I couldn't stream a HD movie if I wanted too so I'm watching movies off of DVD from Netflix. I just don't believe COMCAST or any of the others will offer anything here because they already get the going rate for the slow speeds so there's no incentive to spend on "improvements" of the infrastructure. | |
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| | | dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | Re: Not competative Actually, my Comcast delivers 17.3mbps on the 16mbps service.
All in all, it does ok.
Wish someone would dump a few billion at Paxio and make The Bay Area something to behold!
Ah well... A guy can dream. 
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| | worthless What good is a 20/50/100/1000Mbit connection when they are just going to throttle it down to 3kb if you use more than 70% up/down stream... I can hit the throttle faster?!!? | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: When will the webmasters blow the top off your cap? Websites are largely made slow-modem friendly still. Most webmasters will still compress their images, etc. But, if you're talking about rich media such as videos and image heavy websites, like porn and other heavy image/picture viewing, that's not going to change.
Websites, in general, do not eat up brandwidth.. its video, photos, email, movies, etc. | |
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| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: When will the webmasters blow the top off your cap? said by fiberguy:Websites are largely made slow-modem friendly still. Most webmasters will still compress their images, etc. But, if you're talking about rich media such as videos and image heavy websites, like porn and other heavy image/picture viewing, that's not going to change. Websites, in general, do not eat up brandwidth.. its video, photos, email, movies, etc. Wrong. Today everyone develops on a 8 core Mac Pro connected via gigabit ethernet to the 10 gigabit backbone LAN and 2.5 gigabit connection to the Servers.
Webmasters regularly load 300KB of inefficient javascript functions and entire libraries they barely use, and cross site link to ad javascript files just as bad. They use AJAX and DOM to render 100s of KBs of HTML, which sucks CPU endlessly (look at any Gawker Media blog, or Facebook). And lets not forget about many 10s of KB of CSS.
New idea, write virtual machine in Javascript for Brainfuck, and render the whole page and its interactivity in Brainfuck.
Lets not begin about having 5-10 flash files sucking any remaining CPU on your dual core, or 4 auto playing video ads on a website, nothing like hearing 4 infomercials at the same time.
I think we can safely ignore the CPU that pop up ads would use if they were allowed to launch. | |
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| | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: When will the webmasters blow the top off your cap? "wrong" huh? Hmmmmm not | |
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| | Time Warner I wish Time Warner would upgrade to DOCSIS 3.0 and give us free speed upgrades, but I doubt that would ever happen. | |
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| | Cablevision Any news on DOCSIS 3.0 rollout by Cablevision ? | |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | 65% of their subscriber base or . . . . 65% of the fios areas? | |
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When will the webmasters blow the top off your cap?
I do not know if any one has noticed but as download speeds have increased the webmasters have made their webpages more complex. Early webpages consisted of either text or text and low resolution drawings. Web surfers did not want to wait for fifteen minutes for a webpage to download on a 28.8 kbps connection. I was visiting a friend recently and tried to download a webpage via dial up. The download seemed to take forever. These days webpages are more complex and contain high resolution images. That means the size of the file containing the webpage is larger. These mega-webpages will quickly eat into ones caps. Some webmasters give the viewer an option switch to define whether there connection is high speed or snail speed. As soon as higher speed service is deployed the webmasters will be able to download more complex webpages in the same time as simpler web pages. If ISP's start employing caps, webmasters must begin making their webpages more efficient.
Karl get something right...
