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Leaked memo identifies Chambersburg, Pennsylvania and Warrenton, Virginia tests
(old news - 02:00PM Tuesday Jun 03 2008)
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I've learned that Comcast will begin testing their new, "protocol agnostic" network management solution starting on Thursday in two markets. Comcast originally came under fire after one of our users discovered the company was forging TCP packets to disrupt BitTorrent communications. If you recall, the FCC's investigation into these practices prompted the carrier to declare it would shift to a "protocol agnostic" solution by the end of this year.

Any customer whose data is temporarily impacted by this technique will find that their data requests must “wait in line” while other customers’ data requests go through first.

-Comcast internal memo
Comcast CTO Tony Werner stated at the time that "the outcome will be a traffic management technique that is more appropriate for today's emerging Internet trends." According to an internal memo obtained by Broadband Reports, this more "appropriate" system will be tested in the Chambersburg, Pennsylvania and Warrenton, Virginia markets from June until July.

The memo indicates that the company will be testing several management techniques (I'd assume from different vendors) in the two markets over the next month, all of which solely target high-consumption users at peak congestion times. If you recall, Comcast's existing system throttles the upstream BitTorrent traffic for all users twenty-four hours a day (something Comcast denied).

This new solution will ensure that heavy users are "temporarily placed behind other users until the congestion has passed." Those users will be forced to "wait in line" while other customers’ data requests go through first.

"Once testing has been completed and a new management technique has been identified, we will publish a description of this new technique along with additional FAQs to benefit our customers prior to rolling it out nationally," the memo reads. The memo also states that Comcast will consider notifying impacted customers in real-time if their service is being managed "should this be necessary and technically practical."

I'm assuming that this could be accomplished using a warning banner injection system similar to that being used by Canadian cable provider Rogers Communications. The memo is very light on technical specifics, given this is very much a work in progress. It does make reference to a third test market, though the market is not specified.

In addition to the specific targeting of high-consumption users, last May I broke the news that Comcast was also exploring implementing 250GB monthly caps for all users. Comcast is also considering taking DMCA enforcement much more seriously, booting users from the Comcast network who receive four such warnings in a twelve-month period.

While I'm the first to slam Comcast for doing something stupid, their plan so far seems like an improvement, provided Comcast makes it very clear to consumers what triggers this throttling. The only concept I remain steadfastly opposed to is the charging of overage fees (for reasons I've already explored) and I hold some serious reservations about the accuracy of the DMCA letter process. Of course this project remains early in its life cycle, and Comcast will have plenty of opportunities to screw things up in implementation.

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Beware of the backlash from your customers.

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Re: Beware of the backlash from your customers.

They'd probably just as soon have those customers leave who are up/downloading data at the max rate possible 24 hours a day. Backlash works two ways.

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said by LLivingLarge See Profile :

Comcast: "It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes!"
That exactly what I thought when I read this... "Any customer whose data is temporarily impacted by this technique will find that their data requests must “wait in line” while other customers’ data requests go through first."
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Seriously, here is what I deem fair and would alleviate these ISPS of lawsuits, investigations, etc.

On advertisements say your speed is UP TO X amount. Then make it clear in the legal text that users who exceed a specified cap (make it universal and clear cut).. say 200GB will be subject to speed reductions. IE those with maybe 10/1 will only see 3/512 or something. You get the gist. This basically makes it so ISPS are still customer friendly and also helps reduce traffic and usage on their network for the mega users. Seriously, I think this would be a better idea than caps, traffic shaping, etc. It's about the closet win win one could hope for today. Customer's aren't stuck with huge bills, and ISPS limit traffic by slowing down mega users at least at peak times.
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Re: Beware of the backlash from your customers.

Man you make too much sense! But the thing with that logic is if it diminishes their bottom line corporate America will never adopt such a policy. They surely don't want to scare away new victims, I mean customers.

I have nothing against caps either but they need to spell it out in black and white and allow the consumer to view how much traffic they're generating. They should've started doing this years ago instead of lying. And remove the most aggregious offenders.

Yes, I have done and will continue to do some d/l and u/l but I've never consumed more than 40 gb in any month that I've had broadband. It makes me angry that they think it's ok to just throttle everything and reduce my d/l speed to under 100 kb/s when my connection is really 8 times faster than that.

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Waiting...

... for this/these thing(s) to screw up and hose some legit, low-comsumption user(s) to the point of stupidity.
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It would be easier to deal with overloaded nodes at times than going through caps/filters/traffic shaping techniques.
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said by en102 See Profile :

It would be easier to deal with overloaded nodes at times than going through caps/filters/traffic shaping techniques.
Only for those CAUSING the overload. For everyone else, this will be an improvement.
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I don't know.. I've never had issues with an overloaded node on cable or DSL... which is why I see this as a method of rate increase for consumers.

Eg. Lowest tiers ( 1.5Mbps or less) should not need caps, yet they're typically capped hard to purchase a higher rate plan, which is now set as an overloaded node, and requires traffic shaping and/or caps. The end result for the AVERAGE user is not much (i.e. going from a 1.5 to 10Mbps) unless they are bit torrent / gamers / VOD users.
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said by en102 See Profile :

I don't know.. I've never had issues with an overloaded node on cable or DSL... which is why I see this as a method of rate increase for consumers.
Unfortunately your experience doesn't necessarily match that of all other Internet users. Just look at the poor bastards on Embarq service in Indiana that regularly see latency shoot to 300+ms round trip because Embarq doesn't throttle anyone:
»Embarq network congestion, latency and packet loss in IN

P2P users don't care - they can fire up their client and walk away. For anyone else trying to use VoIP, game, or even just surf the web the situation just sucks.

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True - not all nodes are good on all providers.
DSL-Extreme has been good.
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Simple solution. Limit the speed of high users, hence alleviating congestion and free up speed for everyone else. If everyone has 10/1 and say 10 percent of users exceed a CLEAR CUT TRACKABLE CAP (IE offer software or online counter to track usage), these 10 percent get throttled to a slower speed. Say maybe 3/512 or 2/512 for the remaining month. This A) Cuts down on lawsuits and investigations as no traffic shaping is taking place. B) ISPS say UP TO in their speed clause meaning they can offer less. C) Make it clear to users. This way you don't alienate everyone. Also, no one is disconnected. The worst that happens is their speed is slower.

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said by jc100 See Profile :

Simple solution. Limit the speed of high users, hence alleviating congestion and free up speed for everyone else.
That's exactly what it sounds like Comcast is implementing here, no?
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Re: Waiting...

Nope they are instituting usage caps (X amount allowed) versus speed caps (no limits on usage but limits on bandwidth capacity). I think a bandwidth capacity limit would be better than a usage cap. My 2 cents.

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Actually, I don't disagree with that at all. The key constraint in networks is rate, not quantity, so it only makes sense to come up with a good mechanism for balancing the traffic rates that each subscriber gets. In the hosting world quantity based limits are loved by users and hated by providers, because all too often someone will wait until the last 3 or 4 days of the billing cycle to decide they want to move 400GB of data but still be under their 1500GB/mo limit.

The problem is that most users have trouble with the difference between rate and quantity when it comes to talking about bandwidth. It happens in nearly every thread on this site.

I wonder if there is any good way to bridge that gap in understanding to arrive at a shared network plan that is truly fair?
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Re: Waiting...

Well the honest truth is this, and honestly this. You have a large share of users who are not tech savvy. They are susceptible to hackers, viruses, botnets, etc. These users wouldn't know the difference if they used the bandwidth or someone else. The other half are tech savvy but probably could care less. You have a small amount who given the tools would be conscience of their usage. Therefore, my solution above is the most reasonable. For the less tech savvy, their bandwidth is slowed down. It will cut usage on the network, and make them solve the problem of why they consume bandwidth (virus, hacked, etc). For the other portion that like to download a ton, capping them with speed limits would make them more conscientious. Let's face it, people don't want to wait a long time on their download. Making a 10mbit line 2-3mbit down is quite a punishment. It is enough to where it might discourage high users but not to the point where it pisses them off. Plus, it lessons the strain on the network. I know some foreign isps do this. Cap high users during peak hours. It would be a start.

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said by espaeth See Profile :

The problem is that most users have trouble with the difference between rate and quantity when it comes to talking about bandwidth. It happens in nearly every thread on this site.
Q. What's the difference between 60 miles per hour or a mile per minute?

A. None

Bandwidth is bandwidth is bandwidth. If you have an amount divided by a time period, that's an expression of bandwidth.

Only in Comcast land do people invent concepts to purposefully cloud the issue. What's surprising is that people actually buy it and repeat it!
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said by funchords See Profile :

Q. What's the difference between 60 miles per hour or a mile per minute?
60 miles per hour could be 50 minutes of 0 miles per minute, and 10 minutes of 6 miles per minute.

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Bandwidth is bandwidth is bandwidth. If you have an amount divided by a time period, that's an expression of bandwidth.
But interfaces are only capable of moving so many bit per second. It doesn't matter if 1mbps is roughly 330GB/mo -- that doesn't mean you can try to move 330GB in just one of those 30 days and have it work.

This is like reporting how many cars a highway can move per hour vs how many cars it can move per day. Those are vastly differently numbers with very different meanings.

You're demonstrating my point quite nicely though, Robb. You're an incredibly sharp guy (I mean this genuinely, no BS), and yet you're falling into the same pitfalls most on this site do.

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I feel like the guy who wakes up as if he was struck by lightening, shakes his head to ward off the effects, and says "what the hell happened?"

We never used to talk about bandwidth as if it was a datarate versus consumption. A few people found reason to do so (the bandwidth aggregators). But why do we drink the cool-aid?

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said by funchords See Profile :

We never used to talk about bandwidth as if it was a datarate versus consumption. A few people found reason to do so (the bandwidth aggregators). But why do we drink the cool-aid?
Who's we?

The discussion has always traditionally been speeds and feeds. Some of the rate qualifications has dropped out of the public vernacular, but the rate is always a critical component. We talk about "10 meg" NICs and "8meg" broadband and "56k dialup", but all those things refer to the number of bits per second the interface is capable of. You can't buy a 5GB/mo interface.

I think you're missing the premise of increasing speed to improve efficiency, not necessarily to increase quantity. One of the reasons broadband providers are giving high speeds (ie powerboost) is to get you on and off the network faster. The websites you visit push the same quantity of data whether you have a 1mbps or a 100mbps line, so providing you with a faster connection gets you on and off the network faster. In a network where access EVERY SECOND is statistically multiplexed, this is important.

When it comes to broadband scaling, it's a matter of adjusting for both increasing speed to increase quantity and increasing speed to improve efficiency. Of course, some applications are natural enemies to the improve efficiency goal.
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ESP,

I think a better exampled would be one like this in clearer terms. Say Highway X can hold 10,000 cars along a 25 miles stretch at capacity. Normally, there are only 5,000 cars or less and traffic runs pretty smooth. There are few backlogs, traffic jams, etc during the day. Yet, at 5 P.M. everyone gets off work, and now there are 10,000 cars on that highway for the next two hours. Obviously, everyone is slowed down, making less efficient time. This is pretty typical of MOST highways in major cities.

Basically put, this example correlates with my bandwidth model of slowing high users down. It's about the best win win anyone can ever see. ISPS seem to think building out is a swear word, and would like to find ways to make their outdated and oversold systems last. Customers are use to the "Unlimited" marketing we've seen for the last ten years. So the only solution is to do this. During the day (or non rush hour), let everyone have full capacity. However, during peak hours, everyone who has exceeded a CLEARLY stated cap has their bandwidth turned down so faster cars can go around. It would be like building a bypass so those 10,000 people are not all stuck in traffic longer due to the accident up the road. It sucks that a few people can ruin it for all, but in this day and age where businesses have millions to lobby, it won't change. As long as they keep lining Washington's pockets, we the customer, will rarely so pro consumer initiatives. The only way this changes is when consumers either

A) Speak up

B) Speak with their wallets

C) mobilize lots of people to rally around a central idea.
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said by en102 See Profile :

It would be easier to deal with overloaded nodes at times than going through caps/filters/traffic shaping techniques.
everything I've read indicates the most straightforward, simplest way to deal with congestion is to add capacity. One of the network engineers for Internet2 said they did a trade between caps/filters/shaping/etc. and adding capacity and adding capacity was cheaper and simpler.

I would be willing to bet money the real reason comcast is doing this is to position themselves for the "two tier" internet, with "fast lanes" for their content and those that pay a premium and "slow lanes" for the rest.

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I'm sure that adding capacity is simpler, and very effective.
ISP's (management) typically would prefer making more money off of existing, through attempting to squeeze a lump of coal into a diamond. Management doesn't really 'care' if its simpler, your typical upper level management is type alpha, and would prefer control at all cost.

I.e. Simple solution = add capacity (requires cost to an outside source... no direct gain, capacity will hit again in the not too distant future)

Complex solution = form of traffic reduction through many different means, which will require some cost, but can recoup at the per MB transferred level, and will allow for future transparent price increases (i.e. same price for service, higher cost on overage, etc)
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said by nasadude See Profile :

I would be willing to bet money the real reason comcast is doing this is to position themselves for the "two tier" internet, with "fast lanes" for their content and those that pay a premium and "slow lanes" for the rest.
Yep, and Comcast's pursuit of P4P (Bittorrent that prefers local, on-network peers) is evidence of that. If they really were concerned about local node congestion, there are MUCH easier and more effective ways to handle this. This is nothing more than a way to kill P2P video distribution and protect their Video On-Demand revenue, while simultaneously lowering costs.

Time Warner is doing the same thing, only with a ridiculously low bit cap.

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I agree on the VOD front. The writing is on the wall with the new streaming p2p direction.

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said by nasadude See Profile :

everything I've read indicates the most straightforward, simplest way to deal with congestion is to add capacity. One of the network engineers for Internet2 said they did a trade between caps/filters/shaping/etc. and adding capacity and adding capacity was cheaper and simpler.
When technologies like Ethernet and Packet-over-SoNET are being used, you are correct it is usually cheaper to add bandwidth. With technologies like DSL and DOCSIS, there are limits to how far you can expand them out. In the Internet2 domain they can add a variety of links from 100mbps - 10,000mbps (10gbps). For DSL you're limited by distance, protocol, and collective connection crosstalk. (ie, if all lines are transmitting at the same time the effective throughput goes down on each line due to interference) For DOCSIS you can only increase downstream capacity 38mbps at a time eating up 6MHz chunks. Even there, the DOCSIS standard limits how many channels you can have on a segment.

The ugly truth is that broadband networks have much harsher scaling limits than other network technologies, and upgrades often require forklift replacement of all involved distribution gear. Just look at DOCSIS 3.0 -- MSOs won't see the benefits there until all of the head-ends and most user cable modems are replaced. Swapping out 14+ million end-user devices isn't a swift activity.

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said by en102 See Profile :

It would be easier to deal with overloaded nodes at times than going through caps/filters/traffic shaping techniques.
everything I've read indicates the most straightforward, simplest way to deal with congestion is to add capacity. One of the network engineers for Internet2 said they did a trade between caps/filters/shaping/etc. and adding capacity and adding capacity was cheaper and simpler.

I would be willing to bet money the real reason comcast is doing this is to position themselves for the "two tier" internet, with "fast lanes" for their content and those that pay a premium and "slow lanes" for the rest.
Adding capacity is expensive and no one here seems to want to pay for it. If they can't get more revenue, why do you think they would pay for more network?

Adding a few shaping boxes is relatively cheap and solves the problem in the short term. In the long term, us high usage people are going to be paying for their capacity upgrades.

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said by en102 See Profile :

It would be easier to deal with overloaded nodes at times than going through caps/filters/traffic shaping techniques.
If it were just dozens of nodes- perhaps.

If it's thousands of nodes- probably not.

Besides, increase the bandwidth and the "bandwidth hogs" just use that much more. Double the capacity today, and a month from now they'd be in the same boat.

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I tend to agree that there's a limit at both ends.

1. Don't sell something (i.e. +20Mbps/1Mbps) then cap/filter because you can't reasonably sell that product anyways. Eg. If everyone was at 1.5Mbps, there would probably be no issue on that same node.

2. 20Mbps 'looks' better for sales than '1.5Mbps', especially for video apps. E.g. You 'need' to have this package to do 'X'.

Its all marketing, and a way to ensure that the 'unlimited' isn't 'SYN FLOOD'.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

... for this/these thing(s) to screw up and hose some legit, low-comsumption user(s) to the point of stupidity.
If there is a way to screw it up, Comcast will be sure to find it.

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said by alalper See Profile :

If there is a way to screw it up, Comcast will be sure to find it.
Yeah... they are screwing it up so bad they have become a profitable and successful ISP (not easy to do) that has driven the broadband industry.

Damn them for keeping the stock holders from selling all their shares.

Damn them for providing a solid product for 99% of the customer base!!

Damn them for steadily increasing speeds over the years and investing billions in capacity upgrades

Damn them for introducing powerboost that increases speed for interactive apps.

Damn them for trying to understand how recent dramatic speed increases and unexpected heavy usage has ramifications to all users and costs associated to them.

If they could only spend all their profits and piss off the greedy stock holders to allow for unlimited bandwidth 7x24 so 1% of us could load DVDs on our multi-terabyte disk arrays.

Bastards!
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Uh, yeah.
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Whoa! I don't believe I said anything even remotely in the same ball park as your response.

I simply said that they will surely find a way to screw up their traffic shaping attempt (kind of like the way they screwed up their implementation of Sandvine) thereby causing themselves and their customers all kinds of problems.

Believe it or not, I'm a triple play subscriber and I'm actually a pretty happy camper when it comes to Comcast.

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oh... yeah.. ok.
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said by telcolackey See Profile :

said by alalper See Profile :

If there is a way to screw it up, Comcast will be sure to find it.
Yeah... they are screwing it up so bad they have become a profitable and successful ISP (not easy to do) that has driven the broadband industry.

And having some of the lowest customer satisfaction ratings of any industry.

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Yeah... they are screwing it up so bad they have become a profitable and successful ISP (not easy to do) that has driven the broadband industry

I would think the profitable isp has to to more with frequent rate hikes on the tv cable side they charge 4.99 to 6.99 for a movie

comcast bought my old cable co out insight
first thing we get is a rate hike

I still have the same speed/package
I had with my old cable co same price to

Damn them for providing a solid product for 99% of the customer base!

sure ok depends which market you in some markets its vs fios some markets its dsl lets see the same price/speed for everyone

Damn them for introducing powerboost that increases speed for interactive apps.

got me on that one i just noticed its increases download speed for the first 10 megs ? then drops off kida like a tease
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Will this affect VOIP?

Will this affect VOIP for Comcast HSI users?

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My problem with this...

is that it seems to be reverting to the old practice of invisible caps (although perhaps a bit more user friendly than simply getting cut off altogether).

Will there be an invisible line that's a moving target from month to month that you have to cross before you get sent to the back of the bandwidth bus?

Or is there a bright line you have to cross before this will happen?

If the latter, I can live with it. If that bright line is drawn at 250GB, so much the better.

If this is done using the current arbitrary and invisible cutoff, I'll have a major problem with this. How can you reform your activity and bring it in line with what's acceptable if you don't know what the criteria are?
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Must Maintain 100% Policy Transparency

The customers that will be affected by this will never like it, nor should they. However they should demand, unlike previous mystery caps, that Comcast remain 100% transparent about at what point you fall into the "heavy user" category. So far right now it seems like they're setting the bar at 200gigs per month which is a decently high mark. They should not ever consider lowering this limit and should be willing to raise the bar as speeds and bandwidth needs increase.

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said by ph03n1x See Profile :

The customers that will be affected by this will never like it, nor should they. However they should demand, unlike previous mystery caps, that Comcast remain 100% transparent about at what point you fall into the "heavy user" category. So far right now it seems like they're setting the bar at 200gigs per month which is a decently high mark. They should not ever consider lowering this limit and should be willing to raise the bar as speeds and bandwidth needs increase.
200 GB/mo is only about 640 kbps -- which is quite easy to hit, even when averaged out over 15 minutes or a half hour.

They'd better set it quite a bit higher than that!
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Re: Must Maintain 100% Policy Transparency

I got FIOS 15/2 package and i still get delays some parts of the day. I am not a p2p user or provider, however i upload heavily to photo & video hosting sites as well as view videos & photos. Do i deserve to be punished for uploading my train & subway videos so others can see who are interested? Isn't that why i got the bleedin' FIOS in the first place, so i could????????? How about more capacity instead of making profits & not re-investing them to improve everything? if its such an issue. Someone call the IT wahhhmbulance. They could easily state that if p2p is engaged with service will be cut in half. Track it so they dont screw up everyone else. Zzzzzzz *falls asleep*.

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How about more capacity instead of making profits & not re-investing them to improve everything? if its such an issue.
This has been the classic struggle. I think Comcast is trying to stem the growth, which I might be able to get behind if we weren't already way behind the rest of the world.
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heathcpe

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FAP?

quote:
...solely target high-consumption users at peak congestion times....
Could this be something like Hughsnet's Fair Access Policy (FAP)?

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At peak times? or only during congestion?

Sounds more like prioritized waiting list packets. If a router becomes congested it places packets in a buffer in order according to QoS. If you are a high consumption user your QoS is lower than your neighbor. But, the router has to be experiencing congestion for this to take place. However, anyway you look at it the problem is still Comcast trying to save money by increasing their over-provisioning rate.

Pv8man999

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Die!

Die comcast, just die...

Verizon Fios will be sure to take all your business.
Just keep f**king with things that your not supposed to.

and if you still exist in the future, raping the freedom and openness of the internet for profit in anyway you can.

I wonder what would happen if someone took out thier **AA buddies? Would they still have the need to protect a music companys intrests after they stop receiving bribes from the RIAA/MPAA?

And by "Take them out" i mean, anything, Destroying their infestructure, DDOS attacks, even going to the house of the main CEO's and bogging down their connection so much, that they get sick of their own company service.

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Re: Die!

I'm pretty sure that Comcast got a "little paycheck" from the AA's for doing this.

Also, if this new "tool" is going to slow down the users connection (it is just for upload right?) That its going to kill any users using their connection for 3rd party VOIP or Apple TV or DirecTV download feature and on and on..

Basically, it sounds like Comcast wants the hole pie and not just a slice of their users/customers money.

I also guess I can kiss goodbye to hosting a game server on my Playstation 3, and be at the mercy of other people hosting the game.
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Re: Die!

said by ztmike See Profile :

That its going to kill any users using their connection for 3rd party VOIP
64kbps RTP voice streams aren't even close to being an issue.

said by ztmike See Profile :

I also guess I can kiss goodbye to hosting a game server on my Playstation 3, and be at the mercy of other people hosting the game.
Game server traffic isn't a problem either.

Downloading the last 4 seasons of House from BT in one shot, now that might be an issue.

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Re: Die!

said by espaeth See Profile :

said by ztmike See Profile :

That its going to kill any users using their connection for 3rd party VOIP
64kbps RTP voice streams aren't even close to being an issue.

said by ztmike See Profile :

I also guess I can kiss goodbye to hosting a game server on my Playstation 3, and be at the mercy of other people hosting the game.
Game server traffic isn't a problem either.

Downloading the last 4 seasons of House from BT in one shot, now that might be an issue.
If the node is congested, the heavy users' VOIP packet will get a lower priority than the light users's download of a season of House.

Exactly what I did not want to happen -- someone's background transfer will get a priority over a VOIP 9-1-1 call.

This is dumb and it is not network neutral.
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Re: Die!

said by funchords See Profile :

If the node is congested, the heavy users' VOIP packet will get a lower priority than the light users's download of a season of House.
It doesn't work that way -- they will most likely only rate limit the heavy users, not change the priority. (DSCP isn't granular enough to prioritize a downstream or upstream channel on a per-user basis)

said by funchords See Profile :

Exactly what I did not want to happen -- someone's background transfer will get a priority over a VOIP 9-1-1 call.
2 words: guaranteed minimum.

deheza

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Voip 911

What happens when Voip 911 calls are blocked? That will be great publicity!

See 6 replies to this post

Jovi

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Good luck with that Comcast

As I said over on another site about this topic:

It is easier to limit bandwidth, instead of increasing it. People are using the internet for more than just email and basic browsing. Instead of meeting the challenges of the ever evolving internet, they 're holding it back. I do not see how the bad habits of the few downloading hundreds of gigs a months, can set a companies policy for the other 97% of users. Good job Comcast.
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Re: Good luck with that Comcast

said by Jovi See Profile :

As I said over on another site about this topic:

It is easier to limit bandwidth, instead of increasing it. People are using the internet for more than just email and basic browsing. Instead of meeting the challenges of the ever evolving internet, they 're holding it back. I do not see how the bad habits of the few downloading hundreds of gigs a months, can set a companies policy for the other 97% of users. Good job Comcast.
Meanwhile, we, the country that invented the Internet, remain 15th to 24th place (depending on the survey) in the Broadband rankings.

If we were in first place, maybe I could agree with you.

Cable ought to be figuring out how to give their customers the product that they're charging us for -- not figuring out how to "fairly" prevent us from accessing it.
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drjenkins

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Warrenton, VA

The Washington Post reports that the two Comcast test areas are Chambersburg, Pa., and Warrenton, Va.

I'm served by the Warrenton office. I'm considering whether I should start watching streaming movies from Netflix continuously just to see if that's enough to get capped.

Anyone else here in the test areas?

-drjenkins

onePOeduser



Do they wanna lose customers -- FAST !

Any ISP that implements this download cap BS is going to lose customers. They are trying to stop the wave of users who are finding out that it is better to watch Internet based media. One ISP will stand out against this and they will have mine and alot of other people's business. I am not a heavy downloader by any means, it is the premise of this action and what it says for the future of the Internet.
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