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3 edits | Re: 16 MBps said by matrix3D:Nice. And why do I have to pay the same price as these markets for slower service? Oh, that's right... the government gives the cable companies a federally mandated monopoly. There is NO monopoly(mandated or otherwise). And IF THERE WAS, it would be a locally based one where franchises are awarded and not a federal one.
And you don't have to pay it at all. Stop service if you don't like the service you are getting at the price you are paying. You can always go back to dial-up.
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kudos:1 | Re: 16 MBps said by Romney2012:And you don't have to pay it at all. Stop service if you don't like the service you are getting at the price you are paying. You can always go back to dial-up. pffft!
typical.
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they can't make it any clearer than that - if there is competition or threat of competition, things get improved (faster speeds, whatever, but apparently not lower prices); no competition, no improvements.
Why should they waste money on improvements when they have a captive audience with no other options? | |
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Thanks
Nevermind, found it in the header.  | |
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| said by matrix3D:Nice. And why do I have to pay the same price as these markets for slower service? Economics 101: supply and demand.
Comcast markets with more competition get higher levels of service. You want the same deal? Encourage competition in your local market or move someplace that offers what you want. | |
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1 edit | Re: 16 MBps Good solution. People shouldn't have to go through the hassle of moving two towns over in order to get better Internet service. And this has absolutely nothing to do with economics... the demand is there. This has to do with adequate competition and local franchises. Your solution is to cram everybody in the state into a ten square mile area. GOOD IDEA! | |
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| Re: 16 MBps said by matrix3D:And this has absolutely nothing to do with economics... the demand is there. This has to do with adequate competition and local franchises. This has everything to do with economics. I suggest you read a little, maybe start here.
It's unrealistic to expect competition between cable companies in a market for the pricing you are expecting. Being a shared medium means that cable companies can't have many vendors colocate gear at a common head-end to serve the customer base like with telephone service. It's expensive to roll out a cable plant, and the frequency space doesn't exist on a single cable plant to accommodate multiple content providers. The efficiencies of scale just won't be there to support building two technology-identical cable plants in a market.
Competition comes from differing technologies. That's the only thing that will shift the supply curve. Competition from DSL, FiOS, fixed wireless, or mobile wireless. If that competition doesn't exist, then your pricing is going to be higher; it's part of the opportunity cost of where you choose to live. | |
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2 edits | Re: 16 MBps Stated by erikthebean 
"yea i work for comcast... we think at times it is overpriced. Look at fios you get it for the same price but 20 mbps down...where i live i can get 1 meg dsl or 6 meg comcast....but then again i get it for free" From cable guy to cable guy.......... are you retarded!?
I haven't posted on here forever, but I felt it necessary to point out that you just made a statement as an employee for your company as if you were a spokesperson.
First you identified your employer, then you made a "we" statement. Not that anyone would take your post seriously, but you better hope your PR department doesn't find this post. | |
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| | But not in Sunnyvale The SFGate article says (at the very bottom) not available in Sunnyvale (among a series of other Bay Area municipalities, admittedly a few of which are a bit of a stretch under the "Bay Area" moniker). Bah humbug. | |
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1 edit | Why not everywhere? "the cable provider selectively deploys the 16Mbps tier in areas where they feel competition warrants it"
Oh, yeah, because they do not have to in areas where they have no competition.   | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Why not everywhere? said by b10010011:"the cable provider selectively deploys the 16Mbps tier in areas where they feel competition warrants it" Oh, yeah, because they do not have to in areas where they have no competition. Precisely.
Here in Albuquerque, you get a choice of satellite, Comcast, or DSL.
Satellite - Slow & expensive. Good LOS to south pretty much anywhere in the city.
DSL - Albuquerque has a land area of almost 200sq. mi. and is served by 7 CO's. Each CO serves an area of almost 29 sq. mi. So the chances of you being close enough to a CO to get anything higher than dialup are slim. DSL is cheap though.
Comcast - 8/768 plan pretty much anywhere. Personally, out bill, with the "triple play" is $149 / month, but that's with a bunch of extra features.
I have a feeling that a lot of markets are in the same type of situation where Comcast has a strangle-hold on the consumers who wish to do more than light browsing and emails to grandma. There is competition in the definition of the word, but in practice, there really isn't.
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kudos:1 | Re: Why not everywhere? said by dmconwa1 :
Qwest is deploying 200 FTTN sites in the Albuquerque metro area in 2008. The first seven have been deployed already. Mainly in the NE heights, but the list I've seen show it going in all over town. We're only offering 7 meg right now, but word is that a new tier will be released soon. Probably 10 meg.
If it's able to support 10/2 or even 10/1 and is cheaper than what I pay for Comcast..I might just switch. 
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kudos:2 | Re: Why get excited? said by fatmanskinny:I have faster downloads only to approach my invisible caps faster. No, not really. | |
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I know I don't even remotely get close to those caps. I am just concerned as I begin to view more web-related content that either streams or I may download, Comcast will come a-knockin. At that point, time to bail.
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3 edits | Pricing vs. plan confusion I'm a Comcast customer who pays US$69.95/month (US$70.20/month after taxes) for the highest tier/plan available -- that's 8mbit down, 768kbit up. No TV, no phone -- just Internet.
So, um, does this mean I'll be bumped to the 16/2 plan for US$3.00/month less, or what? *shakes head* Confusing.
EDIT: Called 800-COMCAST. Existing 8mbit/768kbit customers will be upgraded to the 16/2 plan sometime within the next 24 hours. It will require a power-cycle of the modem (makes sense). The CSR I spoke to could not "upgrade" my existing plan; I was told it would happen automatically.
As for the US$3.00 difference -- that's yet to be determined...
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Fredericksburg, VA | Re: FiOS competitor? I think not. Not to mention that saying 16Mbps on the Comcast network means absolutely nothing other than the caps went up. When I had Comcast, or any other cable modem company, during the times I used the web often (evenings), I never saw the full speed... maybe 50-75% of it.
When Verizon says 15Mbps or 20 or whatever, you get that speed. | |
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Waterbury, CT | I see the telco PR machine is in full bloom in this thread already.
It must be that the minute that anything about comcast gets posted..alarms sound and lights flash in some secret AT&T room (we all know they have THOSE..don't we?)
and here they come to post away.
Well, let me help you with the facts.
The reason that Comcast is doing so well is that they decided years ago to start to do this right.
Meaning..to roll out the fiber and upgrade their networks they way they should have been upgraded.
And now..they're reaping the rewards for it.
I'm SORRY that your companies decided to squander THEIR money away on shareholder dividends instead.
Really..I am.
But please..don't go blaming comcast for that now ..ok?
As we all know..Verizon is FINALLY starting to do it right.
Whether they'll succeed remains to be seen..but at least they're trying. It sure won't be easy though..trying to become a cable company. Goodness knows they don't have anywhere near the experience that the cable co's already do..and certainly they don't have the network yet for it..
but..at least they're trying.
AT&T.on the other hand. Goodness knows what THEY'RE trying to become. A HDTV,HSI, and Voice company via some old telephone lines strung up to your home apparently.
They might want to try orange juice cans and string too while they're at it. I bet that would be even cheaper..and they can get that up even quicker.
Ya know..I really do feel for some folks though. Like many of the GOOD AT&T folks around this website who work for them..and otherwise earn a living from them. It's not your fault that your company is such a disaster. That comes from the decision makers at the top..not from you.
And, your devotion and dedication is also admirable as well.
But, what you REALLY should be fighting against isn't the company that is making the great strides and who..in many respects..has already arrived..but your own companies management and decision makers..
who simply refuse to do this job right.
Because the fact of the matter is..all your fud and trolling isn't going to change the fact that Comcast has now become the nations # 4 phone company..as well as one of the best ISP's in America.
They got there because they planned for this.
And spent the money on it.
And that's a lesson that AT&T really needs to start learning for themselves.
Comcast..way to GO.
16Mb is only the beginning. Docsis 3.0 is next.
And I suspect it's going to change the world of broadband as we know it here in America.
I can hardly wait.
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1 edit | Blast? Where? Aint here... 
Powercycled my modem(yanked battery and power cord) and even hit the reset button afterwards.
Upload is at 1.81mbps
Download(PowerBoost) hits ~32 to 34mbps and fizzles back to the normal 8.6mbps.
SFGate says:
"New customers and current users wishing to upgrade can sign up for the service beginning today. Existing Performance Plus customers will be automatically upgraded at no cost starting the week of Feb. 22."
Meh.
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|  TDNickellPremium,MVM
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Federal Way, WA | Re: Blast? It looks like you will be able to get it soon,Dave!
We have a very small area of FIOS up here near Seattle,but not a real threat to Comcast.
I would say we will get the upgrade when pigs fly! | |
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join:2005-10-17 | blast tier guess my friends will stop complaining soon about comcast | |
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1 edit | Blast? It's more like a Misfire At least to those who use their connection for more than
just casual web surfing or email.
What good are higher speeds with such limitations as
usage caps, packet shaping and RST packet forging?
Admittedly, most use of the BitTorrent protocol is for
copyright infringement, but there are a growing number
of legal, legitimate uses of it.
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| dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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kudos:18 | Re: Give me a break-16Mbps? Raised rates?
HSI hasn't had a rate hike... for 4 years that I am aware of.
TV is a different story, but since this news article is about HSI... there has been no rate hike! 
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| |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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kudos:4 | Re: Give me a break-16Mbps? said by dadkins:Raised rates? HSI hasn't had a rate hike... for 4 years that I am aware of. TV is a different story, but since this news article is about HSI... there has been no rate hike! They just stuff the HSI rate hike onto TV subs[kind of like how cablevision does it]
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Valencia, CA | Re: Comcast bought from AT&T? Well... if you don't like it (or the pricing), find something else.
Pricing for Uverse TV and Comcast was too expensive for me, and I went to DTV. I'd be on rabbit ears if I could get a signal here.
How fast of Internet service do you need ?
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| Re: Comcast bought from AT&T? Just grumpy that all this high speed Internet (6.0 and above), digital phone TV et al is being offered all around my locale but not in my immediate vicinity.
I'd really like to see 6.0 /768 to maintian a decen thome office with VOIP without costing an arm and a leg.
Guess it isn't going to happen for a while longer. | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Comcast bought from AT&T? Yup
I've been running a home office on 3Mbps/512kbps for +3 years now in So-Cal.
AT&T has deployed its Uverse here, but I have no immediate desire for it.
Likewise, TimeWarner's top end 10Mbps service is here, but I don't want it either, especially with the thought of bandwidth caps, filtering, or traffic shaping.
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I could survive on 3000kbps/512kbps if I could get it quite easily but with my company VPN and our layers of security sucking throughput, I'm down to about 1100/280 "without" a VOIP call in process. Even with a direct Internet connection, I"m getting maybe 2300/300 without a call coming in or going out. The caps, traffic shaping and filtering and covert monitoring are a bit unnerving. | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Comcast bought from AT&T? That's pretty much what I run.
If I use a tunneled SSH session, I can get ~1500kbps down.
If I'm tied to the corp VPN tunnel, I'm capped at around 512kbps.
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| | This is great! This is great news! I've been dying for faster internet in the Bay Area and have come here to complain that we don't have FTTP or docsis 3.0 or whatever here.
I've also complained that we don't have blast since we don't have FTTP, but now the Bay Area has given us BLAST even though there is no fiber competition here! | |
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kudos:3 | said by russotto:So how long can you use that 16Mbps before the Comcast secret cap kicks in? .. a very original statement. Haven't heard that one before. | |
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Michigan City, IN | The Bill. And yet Chicago users get stuck with a 69-84 dollar bill for 16/2 from Comcast.
WAY TO GO!
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Hickory, NC | Re: The Bill. Why does the Bay area get Blast for the same price as the Gold tier, yet Chicago has to pay much more? We have U-Verse here now too, so what is Comcrap's excuse for charging Chicago area customers more? OMG, I am so sick and tired of this company not being consistent across the board with their prices and offerings. | |
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| RickPremium,MVM
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Waterbury, CT | Sorry..I didn't realize that 2 bucks and change a day for a 16Mb pipe to the internet was considered expensive these days.
Silly me. And to think..that used to cost thousands of dollars just a short time ago if someone actually had to pay the full price for it.
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Michigan City, IN | Re: The Bill. said by Rick:Sorry..I didn't realize that 2 bucks and change a day for a 16Mb pipe to the internet was considered expensive these days. Silly me. And to think..that used to cost thousands of dollars just a short time ago if someone actually had to pay the full price for it. I'm surprised Comcast hasn't hired you for their PR dept. You spill out more bullshit than anybody I've seen on DSLR, I think you would make a good team with CC since they pretty much spill the same bs out of their mouths.
Yes. 69-84 dollars JUST FOR THE NET is damn expensive.
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Waterbury, CT | Re: The Bill. "
Yes. 69-84 dollars JUST FOR THE NET is damn expensive."
No one is saying you have to pay that for the net. As you well know, they offer bundles that price the net portion at a fraction of that price including the bundle i'm on..which is the 159 bundle..which prices it at about 1/3rd of that.
As for prices overall...
Just a few years ago people were paying upwards of 200 to 300 per month for dialup connections by the hour.
Prices today are a huge value compared to that ..as are the speeds and even if someone were paying the price you quote..
it would still be an enormous value compared to that.
You and others seem to be a bit delusional as to what bandwidth costs companies like comcast. Do you think they get 16Mb pipes for 2 bucks a day? They pay many thousands of dollars for bandwidth like this. The only way it works as a business model is because of the shared nature of them.
Comcast does not owe you nor anyone else private 16Mb pipes for this kind of money. If you want that..then cough up your own money and buy one yourself and come off your high horse about how much this costs..when it practically costs you nothing compared to the real cost of the pipes.
Perhaps if you'd educate yourself a bit on these facts..my posts wouldn't be seen as so much "bullshit" to you.
You'd understand instead how wrong you are instead.
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Surprisingly, I got home tonite and checked my internet:
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Not exactly 16/2, but much better than I was getting before, so I'm considerably happy. Will try it again tomorrow to see if it changes at all.
I read the SF article just a bit ago (the one that cited Sunnyvale was not an eligible area), don't know what to tell you, looks like Blast! is working in my area. | |
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2 edits | Not up here in Northwestern California No BLAST up here in Mendocino County, we're on Comcast's North Bay Network, and were switched over from Adelphia to Comcast early in 2007. We have no fiber competition, and DSL is only available in Ukiah, Willits and Fort Bragg, so I doubt we'll ever see BLAST.
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