1 edit | Comcast I see they are are not going down without a fight. | |
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 |  jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
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3 edits | Re: Comcast said by grydlok:I see they are are not going down without a fight. This is like bringing a baseball bat and taking a few free swings before the fight even starts.
Depending on how entrenched Verizon already is with their deployment and implementation of FiOS service in these DC areas, they would probably rather just sell off the DC market and move along, except for that pesky commitment they agreed upon. 
More often than not, Verizon had the luxury of bringing FiOS into an area, while possessing a clearly superior product. This advantage is largely missing in areas where cable already has widespread, competitive infrastructure in place. Comcast knows exactly where to put forth the resources in this fight, as Verizon has tipped their hat hand in the public pursuit to allow deployment in such cities as Philadelphia and the District of Columbia.
It's nice to see a couple of giants duke it out, as they are less likely to squash the little people while they struggle in each other's grasp, at least for a short time.
Edit: Corrected general silliness. | |
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| |  RadioDocYeah, like it matters.Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
La Grange, IL
kudos:2
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| Re: Comcast said by jmn1207:Comcast knows exactly where to put forth the resources in this fight, as Verizon has tipped their hat in the public pursuit to allow deployment in such cities as Philadelphia and the District of Columbia. Tipped their hat? Is VZ saying hello, good day too?
Tipped their hand. As in prematurely showing their cards... | |
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| | | jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1 | Re: Comcast Thanks! | |
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|  hambone42Peace, through superior firepowerPremium
join:2002-02-02
Manassas, VA | said by grydlok:I see they are are not going down without a fight. ...or a little FUD. I've been seeing their latest anti-FiOS commercials all over the local DC TV stations for about a week now.
I particularly like  the one where they manage to roll up all the complaints about FiOS (broken utilities, houses on fire, lousy billing, etc.) in one 30 second spot.
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join:2008-07-10
New Bedford, MA | Competition This is what competition will do, 50/10 for 99.95 that isnt bad at all. 22/5 is probably good enough for the average person and is a resonable price as well.
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Competition Verizon's 50/20 is $90, $100 or so if unbundled. 20/20 unbundled via DSLExtreme at least is $60. $55 will get you 20/5 though I really don't know why you'd do that.
Bottom line: when FiOS rolls out to an area Comcast, even with the new 50 mbps pricing and DOCSIS 3, is the losing party. If CC decides to go with 100 Mbps, Verizon simply reprovisions their packages and wins again. Though at this point who really cares above 50 Mbps symmetric except large businesses? Oh wait, "symmetric" isn't in Comcast's vocabulary. | |
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| |  dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18
1 edit | Re: Competition ... and in places where Verizon will never provide FiOS, Comcast is beating the hell out of them because VZ isn't even there.
The slowest POS service from Comcast is better than a non-existant VZ service, right?
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| | | RadioDocYeah, like it matters.Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
La Grange, IL
kudos:2 | Re: Competition Not necessarily. An unreliable 4 to 6 megabits from Comcast doesn't beat much of anything. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Competition Yeah it does. How about unreliable 512k-2M wireless? With a 25-35GB cap? Cable is better than no cable, unless you're on JetBroadband  | |
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| | | | | | said by RadioDoc:Not necessarily. An unreliable 4 to 6 megabits from Comcast doesn't beat much of anything. Comcast and Lovin' it! Can't wait for D3.
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| | | | As we are seeing in Cablevision territory, Verizon isn't bothering really to respond.
Honestly most people I know who have FiOS got it for the TV service. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Competition $90 per month vs. $100. $0 setup vs. $300 setup. If CV kills the setup fee I'd expect VZ to respond in a speedy fashion to stay on top. | |
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| | | |  Vamp9190Premium
join:2002-02-11
Chantilly, VA
kudos:1 | Re: Competition said by iansltx:$90 per month vs. $100. $0 setup vs. $300 setup. If CV kills the setup fee I'd expect VZ to respond in a speedy fashion to stay on top. Not true, I got VZ for the internet first, then added TV. My FiOS internet is rock solid and reliable. I started with 10/2 and now upgraded to 20/5 and I get those speeds consistently. I used to have Cox & Comcast cable and the net was going down all the time. It was really a mess how often something would cause the system to go down & during peak hours your speeds would slow to a crawl.
Don't get me wrong, I love FiOS TV in all its HD glory....but the real gem is the internet service. | |
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| |  Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Contrary to popular belief here, whomever offers the least expensive service and makes the most profit per customer is the winner. So while FiOS may be a superior product in all aspects, I'd say Comcast (for the foreseeable future) will actually have the last laugh. | |
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said by Matt3:Contrary to popular belief here, whomever offers the least expensive service and makes the most profit per customer is the winner. So while FiOS may be a superior product in all aspects, I'd say Comcast (for the foreseeable future) will actually have the last laugh. I'm laughing at those who will pay for 50/10 which is no better then 10/10 for a lot less with fiber service
Even 20/20 for 69.99 by surewest or verizon is a lot better value
a symmetric connection is a lot more useful then asymmetric
even 15/15 vs 50/10, many would go with 15/15 for the same price
don't give us excessive download and mediocre upload to fool us because smart user aren't that gullible | |
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| | | | Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Competition While that is undoubtedly true for DSLReports users, most people don't care. Around 1Mbps or 2Mbps, they are completely happy with their upload speed and I would wager a guess to say they are oblivious to it.
If video conferencing or some other upstream dependent application emerges, then FiOS will have the upper hand, but for now, people want inexpensive and companies want to improve their bottom line. Comcast is in a better position to do that.
FWIW, I am a HUGE Verizon fan and I think they made the right decision to go all-fiber now. I just think in the current economic situation, Comcast is better positioned to reap the rewards of lower consumer spending. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Competition Most user don't have a choice
I think they do care but their choice are limited
Why would I go with comcast at 42.95 for 6/1 when I can get 20/20 for 69.99
In my area comcast only offer 6/1 and 8/2
You probably want to laugh too
att formerly sbc is even worse then comcast thought their cheaper you get slower speed, 3.0/512k then 1.5/384k recently
due to stricter speed caps because the technician are playing guessing game called setting speed base on distance. DSL is obsolete, slow and a waste of investment
comcast have no problems kicking a few user off their network because we use more bandwidth
i would have to limit my computer use with comcast or face disconnect. what kind of attitude is that?
as for comcast user, you may as well go to the library frequently to conseve bandwidth for comcast subscriber
It is obvious that comcast network are limited in bandwidth usage, especially the upload. their network capacity is so small that they can't offer similar speed to fios
hence the same limit with 50/10 tier for 99.95 a month
its a scam to make more profits for the investor or insider
not very exciting... its like a faster car but you're only given 10 gallons of gas to drive per month so you can't go any further then those with slower car. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Competition Yes, AT&T is abysmal...now combine them with TWC as the two incumbent providers and things can't get much worse (welcome to hell...Dallas, TX metro area and many points to the east). | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Competition Shoot, Dallas is one of THE BEST cities for bandwidth. Smeone should be offering FTTH up your way...
...oh wait, FiOS doesn't like to go into AT&T areas  | |
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| | | | | | | | | said by vinnie97:Yes, AT&T is abysmal...now combine them with TWC as the two incumbent providers and things can't get much worse (welcome to hell...Dallas, TX metro area and many points to the east). ...and West. Here in much of Metro Los Angeles as well... | |
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join:2001-09-15
Smyrna, GA | --& Southeast when they bought Bellsouth. It should be a crime that in 2009, the best that AT&T offers in Metro Atlanta is 6M
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| | | | | | | If it were true that people are happy with their slow upload speeds, then DSL companies wouldn't be hemorrhaging customers to cable. If that were true Verizon wouldn't have bothered spending $23 billion on fiber rollout. DSL can achieve decent download rates, but upload-wise it fails miserably. | |
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| | | | | | Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Competition said by sonicmerlin:If it were true that people are happy with their slow upload speeds, then DSL companies wouldn't be hemorrhaging customers to cable. If that were true Verizon wouldn't have bothered spending $23 billion on fiber rollout. DSL can achieve decent download rates, but upload-wise it fails miserably. DSL is typically not cheaper than cable. So all things being equal, cable is generally less expensive. Especially if you figure in the discount for multiple services. | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | Re: Competition Don't look now but those same $15 in taxes are on the cable VOIP line. However, you are right that cable typically prices the base voice product cheaper and includes more features.
It amazes me how much AT&T still charges for a basic voice line with no features. It's also amazing how much they charge for features that cost them absolutely nothing to implement. It's all built into the switch and even though they've recovered those switch costs years ago, they still price them like a theme park soda. | |
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| | | | | | Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Competition said by iansltx:One word: cloud. Actually two words: cloud computing. When yu get more people wanting to "live in the cloud" upload speed differences will be noticeable. It's all about what applications you want to run over the pipe. Right now there are apps that like more bandwidth than is available over even a DOCSIS 3 cable connection... Cloud Computing is years and years away. Aside from video, people can store all their files in the cloud right now on most connections anyway. | |
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Competition Cloud Computing is years away because the platforms are very immature. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Comcast won't have the last laugh. Verizon will. It's just that the last laugh may be awhile in coming. | |
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| | | Re: 22/5 Tier was a bit cheaper for me, not worth double $$ What about Philly??? | |
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| | Too expensive Still too expensive. Normal people can't afford $100+ a month for internet.
What I'm pleased to see is that their cheapest tier, the one that the majority of people subscribe to, was doubled in speed. But it's still too slow. The most basic service should allow everyone to access the newest bandwidth intensive services on the internet.
As a nation we should strive for excellence, not just what's "good enough". | |
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| | . Anything above 10mb for most people is completely useless.
Only a small % of users want more then that. | |
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| | | Re: . Yeah um... 10 years ago only a small % of people needed e-mail. People will make use of high-speed services once the lowest tiers of bandwidth offerings begin to speed up. | |
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| | Caps No posts about the caps yet? Wait for it.......
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| | NOZIREV
join:2008-07-10
New Bedford, MA | Re: Caps shake and bake!!!! | |
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| | | | said by Mannus:said by PaulHikeS2:No posts about the caps yet? Wait for it....... Faster speeds to reach your cap more quickly........ What he said. | |
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apok86
join:2006-09-09
Minneapolis, MN | 50Mbps pricing for business customers Does anyone know if the pricing for the 50Mbps for business class has also decreased? Previously if was $200 for a uncapped 50Mbps connection. It would be great if this was now $150. | |
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| | More upload speed now! :) This is a great step for comcast. Now all they need to do is give us 15 or 20 Mbps upload and you have yourself an extreme customer.
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| | | Re: More upload speed now! :) said by dimitrib90:This is a great step for comcast. Now all they need to do is give us 15 or 20 Mbps upload and you have yourself an extreme customer. at 15 you would need for the next speed upgrade say 75/15 or 100/20
Don't ask me why the download has to be much higher
Its the way they market it so you use less bandwidth when you pay more for excessive download speed
they know that there is not much to download and if you want to upload frequently you would use only a fraction no matter how long you upload or torture your computer to run 24hrs a day.
clever marketing wouldn't you say so? deceptive and misleading advertising... 50mbps! while the upload are rarely mentioned but only in very small print so you need a magnifying glass to see it | |
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| | | Is it really worth it when you're capped at 250 GB/month? It's not like Comcast is promising to increase the cap any time soon, or even providing a legitimate reason for how their arbitrary caps manage network congestion during peak usage hours. | |
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| | | | Re: More upload speed now! :) said by sonicmerlin:Is it really worth it when you're capped at 250 GB/month? It's not like Comcast is promising to increase the cap any time soon, or even providing a legitimate reason for how their arbitrary caps manage network congestion during peak usage hours. is not capped but if you use the connection alot be wary of disconnect or call from comcast | |
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| | docsis 3.0 padding? what? no $300 docsis 3 activation fee?
this is outrageous!
Maybe DC is too close to the people who could regulate them and they want to give the impression they're not screwing their customers. | |
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| | Dumb questions from a blonde (me) I have just two; you'll have to excuse me if they're daft. I'm still learning the difference between FIOS and copper. 
1) Is there any big advantage to such high speeds other than commercially? I can see where corporations and universities would need a lot of bandwidth, but Joe or Jane Six-Pack? Or is this in anticipation of a massive change in internet usage thanks to downloading HD movies, etc.?
2) At risk of sounding like a tin-foil hat brigade member, won't TPTB ruling in Congress be tempted to think, "well, doesn't everyone have bandwidth like this" and blow off the rest of the nation? If they get used to such blazing speeds they could assume that even if the rest of the US doesn't come that close we're still well served. It's far fetched, yes, but I've learned not to overestimate Washington DC. | |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Let me guess. . . DC is a fios area. | |
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| Re: Let me guess. . . said by dvd536:DC is a fios area. The suburbs, yes; the city itself, not much penetration yet. However, Comcast is also the dominant (by far!) cable company in the area; unfortunately for Comcast, VZ is the ILEC.
Result - the two companies have been at loggerheads for a decade (originally due to Comcast's old non-VoIP phone business, which was largely based in apartment buildings in the suburbs of the cluster).
It could even be said that FIOS was designed as a response *to* Comcast and the threat they pose to VZ's wireline business. (Far from farfetched, that is, as in the areas that VZ is not selling to Frontier Communications, it is Comcast that is the dominant cable company; worse, it is VZ that is in Comcast's crosshairs as they continue growing their phone business.) | |
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| | Frederick MD? Are the new speeds available in Frederick Maryland yet? I have already talked to 2 Comcast reps - and of course I got 2 different answers - one yes, one no - I don't want to run out and buy a new docsis 3.0 modem unless I am sure... - thanks | |
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| | | Re: Frederick MD? I've been trying to find this out too. Noone has given me a straight answer about it | |
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join:2002-01-21
Upper Marlboro, MD |  Prince Frederick, MD - Business 50M
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doofoo
join:2002-01-21
Upper Marlboro, MD | Prince Frederick, MD - Business 50M Service Anyone have any idea when Business 50M service will be available in Prince Frederick, MD? The sales team does not seem to know anything with regards to this, even though the DC metro area just went live with the service (Prince Frederick is DC Metro). | |
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| | fios v comcast fios: fiber to the prem, no cap,better upload speed, better network infrastructure
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comcast: 250gb cap, 250 gb cap. 250 gb cap
FIOS wins everytime. | |
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