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1 edit | It should be interesting... Watching all of the Comcast subscribers blowing through the invisi-cap in a matter of hours, instead of days... Will definitely make for good entertainment.
Either way, with the capability of speeds like that, it will definitely be interesting to see Verizon and Comcast duking it out.
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LeftOfSanity
join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE
| Re: It should be interesting... said by bmn  :Watching all of the Comcast subscribers blowing through the invisi-cap in a matter of hours, instead of days... Will definitely make for good entertainment. Either way, with the capability of speeds like that, it will definitely be interesting to see Verizon and Comcast duking it out. I doubt it. Moving to 3.0 will likely alleviate the congestion in the areas that send out the letters. I have never gotten "The Letter", nor anyone I know, so it must only be certain areas. | |
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Here | Re: It should be interesting... I don't see how it'll alleviate congestion when they all still go back to the same node. I know they'll be upping bandwidth but you'll still have to deal with the same backbone. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: It should be interesting... It all depends on where the bottleneck is.
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phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
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| said by bmn :Watching all of the Comcast subscribers blowing through the invisi-cap in a matter of hours, instead of days... Will definitely make for good entertainment. Either way, with the capability of speeds like that, it will definitely be interesting to see Verizon and Comcast duking it out. It sounds like they must have kicked you off for usage. I am so glad they did. Nothing is as fun as a person like you dwelling on the fact that they screwed themselves out of internet. Sorry the false pretense was "Unlimited" but I think you know as well as I do that it has been an ongoing problem for a select few. Me, I could use the bandwidth, and I don't think a usage pattern like mine would impose any restrictions/caps...
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| Re: It should be interesting... said by phattieg :It sounds like they must have kicked you off for usage. I am so glad they did. Nothing is as fun as a person like you dwelling on the fact that they screwed themselves out of internet. Sorry the false pretense was "Unlimited" but I think you know as well as I do that it has been an ongoing problem for a select few. Me, I could use the bandwidth, and I don't think a usage pattern like mine would impose any restrictions/caps... 1. Not a Comcast user...
2. Never been a Comcast user...
3. My usage never even comes close to approaching that of the people who get the letters.
4. I stand by my original point... You give people more speed and you can bet the farm that those who were blowing through the invisi-caps are going to do it even faster and it will make for an interesting show when they all start complaining again.
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: It should be interesting... 4a. Watch the Comcast CSRs come running to defend the company's antics and blame the customer. Again. | |
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johndoe303
join:2003-01-01
Boca Raton, FL | lol you're an idiot.. Why go around starting trouble? This thread has nothing to do with caps yet you're jumping down the guys throat. Best of all, you were wrong. HA! tool.
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join:2002-09-23
Llewellyn, PA | Speeds I don't understand why the emphasis is being placed on higher DOCSIS revisions when lower revisions offer significantly more bandwidth than Comcast offers. The can compete speed-wise pretty well with a better implementation of existing technology. | |
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| smcallah
join:2004-08-05
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| Re: Speeds The DOCSIS speeds in the chart are showing the faster downstream and upstream that each CMTS port can do.
That speed is shared with everyone that is doing 5,7,8,10mbit down and everyone doing 384, 512, 768, 1mbit up.
Yes, you could have modems that are set to the full DOCSIS 1.x/2.0 speeds, but would you want 150 of them all on the same node sharing that? | |
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join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
| Yes here's the shocker --- Remember DOCSIS has been around for quite a while now... what like over 10 years for 1.0? And regardless of DOCSIS 1.0 or 2.0, you're basically only getting 38mbit shared between all users on your portion of the network. Now how "big" is your portion of the network? It really depends. But back when DOCSIS was first deployed it might have been upwards of 150-250 subs!
Obviously with companies offering 10mbit/16mbit etc PER USER it makes that 38mbit shared limit quite a constraint - esp considering just 3-4 users could completely saturate it. | |
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Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs: | Re: COMCAST-Fast internet Don't make me laugh there's your problem: you live in hayward. | |
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Re: COMCAST-Fast internet Don't make me laugh I know people in Hayward. They're left hanging as well. Subpar service because they live in a non desirable city. | |
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join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA | the day I see comcast string up FIOS is the day that Verizon has 100% ownership of all cable/telco's | |
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join:2004-08-05
Home | I'll start to believe something when I see a Comcast work crew stringing FIOS
What exactly are you going to believe when a Comcast crew is doing work for Verizon?  | |
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| flyerwire
join:2005-06-02
Lafayette Hill, PA | Dont worry about it. You wont be seeing FIOS from Verizon anytime soon either, you dont live in the appropriate part of town for Verizon... they couldnt be bothered offering it to you | |
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Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | in the meantime... ....I'd just like to see Cox boost up the 2.0 max speeds. | |
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| Docsis 3.0 I'm honestly thinking that 2008 will be the year that Comcast and perhaps other cable providers as well literally kills off the Telco industry.
Well, except for Verizon and their FIOS service that is, which will be the true competitor to what Comcast has in store.
Think about this for a minute...and these statements the company is now making.
"who insists the process should be no harder than the migration from DOCSIS 1.0 to 1.1. "
"CEO Brian Roberts recently demonstrated 150 Mbps service"
Think about that for a minute. And what this company will represent to consumers when this process is finished.
Comcast, with 50, 60..and 70MB service? It's entirely possible and sounds like it's in the works.
Comcast, with VOIP now taking so much of telcos customers..it's already in the works.
99.00..one price. For it all.
It's already in the works.
What I don't think that some people realize is that with their hsi service, and their Video service..comcast and the other cable co's can literally subsidize giving away the landline..for free.
It no longer has to be something people pay for.
Bundle it with your triple play and it's as if you pay..nothing..for your phone service.
I can't help but to ask..where exactly..does the likes of AT&T and some others fit into this scenario?
Will YOU..the consumer..even WANT 1.5 3MB and less than 6MB dsl or uverse service..in the face of these OTHER options soon coming to comcast..and a cable operator near you?
Already...the telco's are literally BLEEDING landline customers to death. Every quarter..they just loose so many now. Read their earnings press releases..listen to their quarterly conference calls...they are telling the world that right now.
Verizon..to their VAST credit..realized this writing was on the wall. And told THEIR shareholders..guess what?
We need to spend billions to rip it all out of the ground.
The copper must go..and the fiber must go in.
It's the ONLY way they can compete with this monster that is coming their way.
AT&T..Qwest..and others?
What is going to happen to them?
Is Uverse the answer to this?
I don't think so.
It just isn't enough...to compete with Docsis 3.0.
I know..this post SOUNDS like a pro comcast..bullish argument. And, it is in some respects. I'm impressed with their service they provide me..as a consumer.
How can I not be? Today, I see upwards of 20,000k download speeds. I think they're really doing something right to be providing we customers that.
But, it's NOT entirely bullish because, I FEAR what they might become, when they're really..the only game in town.
I trust them as much as I trust a telco. Not at all really.
What keeps them ALL at bay..ALL competitive..is one word.
COMPETITION.
I ask you this. If a flyer appeared on your door telling YOU that YOU could get 3MB or even 6MB dsl or uverse service..when you were ALREADY getting 20MB..what would you say?
You'd throw it away. It would be useless. Wouldn't it?
It's not competition. It's recycled paper that I will discard.
What AT&T and apparently other telcos would like to sell to you and I, is equivalent to a computer maker trying to sell me a 386SX..when I can get a quad core today instead.
It's very old..and very outdated.
And, it's why so few even want it now that it's here.
What will it be when Comcast is next generation Docsis 3.0?
I mere blip in the evolution of broadband.
A total flop..I predict.
WHY..is this important?
It's because for those of us in AT&T land..they REALLY are the last dog in the hunt. The last dog that can put up a fight.
The last dog that can WIN..if they set their minds to it.
And, I'm not saying I will switch from Comcast. But, I just might..if they truly had a competitive product.
Who will win though, is the consumer. All of us.
Because Comcast and others will fear them. They will always be looking over their shoulders..watching their backs.
What AT&T and others must do..right now..is to adopt Verizons strategy.
They must start putting the fiber in the ground..everywhere..they do business.
Because if they don't..they risk their very survival.
Because the monster is coming.
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A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
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1 edit | Re: Docsis 3.0 OK..........
Axactly what was that rant about?????
And btw, fiber can EASILY offer 400 Mbits/sec to EACH friggin subscriber, and WITHOUT any invisible caps, unlike comcast. So shut up, mate, and let VZ monster beat the shit outta comcrap. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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| Re: Docsis 3.0 said by a333 :OK.......... Axactly what was that rant about????? And btw, fiber can EASILY offer 400 Mbits/sec to EACH friggin subscriber, and WITHOUT any invisible caps, unlike comcast. So shut up, mate, and let VZ monster beat the shit outta comcrap. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! Umm..my post wasn't anti Verizon. In fact, I praised them as being the true competitor.
As far as what my post was about though, it was
a)about how happy I and many people I'm sure will be to see this come to Comcast. Docsis 3.0 is really exciting.
b)to point out how the company is now saying this whole upgrade will be relatively easy to accomplish..with it being here next year
c)a warning to the telco's..and namely AT&T..that they had better get with the program if they want to compete with this. Again..I PRAISE verizon for the steps they are taking.
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join:2004-04-07
Mount Vernon, WA
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| Re: Docsis 3.0 I imagine they will start "sacrificing channels" as they are already moving to all digital. See Comcasts Chicago market if you don't believe the writing on the wall. Analogue is going the way of the DODO, and this will free up massive amounts of channels, a few of which i imagine they will have no problem tossing at their HSI. | |
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join:2000-05-11
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| Re: Docsis 3.0 said by cmatties :Hey we got a comcast fanboy here everyone. That's Rick trying (badly) to hide by not logging in. Comcast fanboy, indeed. | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| Wow, give me a break......you need to seriously rethink your offense!
People that have comcast know that they're being raped without the curtousy of vasoline. In the 6 months I've been in my house, Comcast has sent 16 house techs to fix a signal problem that's outside, 1/2 a mile away. Why am I ticked?Because I'm paying outragous fees to comcast for rudimentary services (these days)that I am not receiving...and...that Comcast Line techs, dispatch operators, and supervisors are too stupid to see. This is effecting an entire area. And if its happeneing to me, its hqappening elsewhere.
Do I expect successful deployment of DOCSIS 3, hell no!
The other companies also know Comcasts problems, thats why they'll be around forever! | |
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join:2005-09-09
Lancaster, PA | Re: Docsis 3.0 How right you are! | |
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| bogey780
join:2004-03-19
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| I simply don't understand why you started posting anonymously. We all know who you are. It's not like people are that dopey that they can't figure out who the anonymous guy is that keeps posting from comcast with the exact same arguments and writing styles. | |
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| Re: Docsis 3.0 said by bogey780 :I simply don't understand why you started posting anonymously. We all know who you are. It's not like people are that dopey that they can't figure out who the anonymous guy is that keeps posting from comcast with the exact same arguments and writing styles. Here's a multiple choice test for you...
Is the answer to your question:
a)I'm too lazy to log in
b)I'm not really who you think I am and contrary to what you might think, out of X billion people in the world, there just might be someone else out there with these same views
c)My "other" computer crashed and along with it, went my password that I now can't remember
d)I like reading the ad's on DSL Reports and feel it helps the cause
e)"he" is on vacation and I'm filling in for him
f)It's kind of fun to post under different names
g)Jeesh..you caught me and here I was thinking I could get away with it
h)All of the above
I)none of the above
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| No Modem swap need? "The good news is that when we go to 3.0, we’re backward-compatible with existing modems, so we don’t have to rip out any modems," says Werner, who insists the process should be no harder than the migration from DOCSIS 1.0 to 1.1.
IOW: So long as a customer is happy with their current speed tier they can live with their current modem. To get a DOCSIS 3.0 serviced tier, they WILL need a new modem since the current available/provisioned modems are either DOCSIS 1.1 or at most DOCSIS 2.0 capable. There are no current DOCSIS 3.0 modems available (I am talking about for purchase not about provisioned on the Comcast Network). | |
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join:2002-07-14
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| Re: No Modem swap need? Actually with a DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0 modem you can get better speeds than most people are seeing so that alone is no reason to get a new modem. The DOCSIS 3.0 modems will be coming but probably not until next year. I suspect by 2009 all new modems will be 3.0 compliant so they will be able to put all of those customers on the cable frequencies dedicated to 3.0, while the customers with older modems can keep working while directed to frequencies set up for 2.0/1.1 modems. So once the 3.0 capable modems become available you can be sure all new purchases will go their way so the cable companies can begin to see a benefit as soon as possible. It won't be instantaneous but it will show up with a year or so after they begin deployment. | |
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RailRoadDude
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join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA | Yeah, right Well, most of us aren't even going to see BLAST!, I doubt we'll ever see this either. | |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY | Re: Whats the point? Whats the point of talking of all this speed? I can hardly get 800 kbps of a good day on my crappy DSL line, lol. | |
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| No churn, No DocSis 3.0 for you! If your not willing to LEAVE your cable company for the telco for a while.. you'll never give the cable company an incentive to lure you back with docsis 3.0 speeds. So make a choice, live with laziness or challenge them to do better by STOP FEEDING THE PIG AT THE TROTH!! It is not out of the kindness of their hearts that they will upgrade broadband speeds, it's out of desperation to keep customers somewhat happy. Keep in mind, this strategy works too for the arrogant aT-T's of the world as well.. | |
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| Re: Invisi-cap. It's interesting to see the publicity and the new standards are certainly impressive. The invisi-cap is indeed real however, and can be easily bumped with the technology currently in place. Where and when any infrastructure upgrades take place, hopefully it will end this company's practice of offering attractive services and then threatening customers who actually use them. | |
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join:2007-07-10
Saint Paul, MN
| Comcastic... Docsis 3.0 will be released in the St. Paul / Minneapolis area first, available to all customers starting the first-second week of November. Initial speed will be very fast, upwards of 100 Mb/s. Employee trials will be starting by the end of august. | |
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We’re not necessarily saying we want to offer 100 or 160(Mbps).
Comcast hasn't spent a lot in my neck of the woods to do much of anything except offer piss-poor cable(read-no digital and poor analog) so their lofty plans and "harumpf"" announcements are just another lame marketing ploy to give hope to their subscribers that "someday" they too will have TV Telephone and Internet service worth mentioning. I'm not forgetting that they promised upgrades for "years" in this area raised rates(numerous times) to justify their empty promises then proceeded to ignore us ratepayers. I'll start to believe something when I see a Comcast work crew stringing FIOS or even new copper in my neighborhood. They'd whore out their mother if it meant another dime.
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