  hello123454Delaware FIOSPremium
join:2002-02-02
Wilmington, DE
kudos:1 | I don't get it.... Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps....
Both companies are going back and forth on numbers when in reality Verizon has much more leverage with how their network is setup.... | |
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 |  Chris 313Come get somePremium
join:2004-07-18
Houma, LA
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| Re: I don't get it.... said by hello123454:Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps....
Both companies are going back and forth on numbers when in reality Verizon has much more leverage with how their network is setup....
Oh? You don't think each 300 the companies put out will match? Do you have FiOS with the 300 speed and can test it out and post some screenshots? | |
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| | | | Re: I don't get it.... While I don't have the 300Mbit plan I do have the 150, and there is no way Concast is going to match the 70Mbit upload speed with there existing setup, they also wont be able to get the low pings that FiOS can achieve due to the overhead in docsis networks. Lastly, what good is 300Mbit on Concast when they purposely oversubscribe there backbone links to over half the internet causing 500ms+ pings during peak hours.
* Speedtest's flash program cant handle the upload speeds, its a known bug that they have fixed but the people running the test sites haven't bothered to upgrade yet. | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH Reviews:
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| | | | | said by flashcore:While I don't have the 300Mbit plan I do have the 150, and there is no way Concast is going to match the 70Mbit upload speed with there existing setup, they also wont be able to get the low pings that FiOS can achieve due to the overhead in docsis networks. Lastly, what good is 300Mbit on Concast when they purposely oversubscribe there backbone links to over half the internet causing 500ms+ pings during peak hours.
* Speedtest's flash program cant handle the upload speeds, its a known bug that they have fixed but the people running the test sites haven't bothered to upgrade yet. My Comcast pings are just fine! I do see a limitation for upload. The meter bangs up against the 12Mbps limit pretty hard when I do testing.
ShaperProbe is also consistently matching with Speedtest. Don't believe everything you read. Some markets are getting excellent service from Comcast.
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Salt Lake City, UT | Re: I don't get it.... 
I have the opposite problem where speedtest site has a tough time registering proper pings from my fiber gateway...
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I have the opposite problem where speedtest site has a tough time registering proper pings from my fiber gateway...
Sarcasm noted.  | |
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| said by Chris 313:said by hello123454:Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps....
Both companies are going back and forth on numbers when in reality Verizon has much more leverage with how their network is setup....
Oh? You don't think each 300 the companies put out will match? Do you have FiOS with the 300 speed and can test it out and post some screenshots? I get my full 155mbps at all hours and days of the week, no exceptions. Maybe at 3am you will see the full 305 from Comcast but comparing the latency times, FIOS is untouchable. Don't get me started on bandwidth caps... | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: I don't get it.... said by serge87:Maybe at 3am you will see the full 305 from Comcast but comparing the latency times, FIOS is untouchable.
Or maybe Verizon is 5 ms slower....
(This is at 18:20 CDT on my Comcast residential D3 connection)
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join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
kudos:1 | said by hello123454:Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps....
Both companies are going back and forth on numbers when in reality Verizon has much more leverage with how their network is setup....
Correct... Comcast's plan is 5 Mbps faster. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: I don't get it.... I kinda wish Verizon would just bump the provisioning on its tier to 306 Mbps...just to tick off Comcast. Two can play at the one-upmanship game. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: I don't get it.... said by iansltx:I kinda wish Verizon would just bump the provisioning on its tier to 306 Mbps...just to tick off Comcast. Two can play at the one-upmanship game.
Just marketing tricks but hey it works for Comcast... if Verizon wanted to make sure no MSO could match their speeds they would offer high uploads like a 300/300 Mbps but they didn't why?
Besides in the near future in markets where Verizon can't offer anything respectable (all of non FiOS markets) they'll be offering the next best thing to fiber... cable's (Comcast, Cox, TWC, BrightHouse) DOCSIS3.x  | |
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| | | | said by etaadmin:said by hello123454:Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps....
Both companies are going back and forth on numbers when in reality Verizon has much more leverage with how their network is setup....
Correct... Comcast's plan is 5 Mbps faster. Yes. A whole whopping 5 Mbps for $95 more per month. That's about as competitive as Intel's Pentium 4 Gigahertz war vs AMD if you ask me. | |
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join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay Reviews:
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| said by hello123454:Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps.... Why not?
Assume both sell 300/65 service. Assume both run at, or acceptably near, their advertised speeds. Other than fiber's latency advantage-- what's the difference to the end user? | |
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| | | | Re: I don't get it.... That depends completely and entirely on who the end-user is. | |
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| | | | said by rebus9:said by hello123454:Comcast's 300 Mbps won't equal Verizon's 300 Mbps.... Why not? Assume both sell 300/65 service. Assume both run at, or acceptably near, their advertised speeds. Other than fiber's latency advantage-- what's the difference to the end user?
Fiber has a latency advantage?
Other than a small advantage during encoding/decoding, both mediums travel at the same speed. | |
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join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay Reviews:
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| Re: I don't get it.... said by DataRiker:Fiber has a latency advantage?
Other than a small advantage during encoding/decoding, both mediums travel at the same speed.
Yes, FTTP has a latency advantage over HFC. It's not much, typically less than 10ms. The extra HFC latency is introduced at the headend and local plant during the media conversions that take place. But it exists and is measurable. Once beyond the local plant, both carriers use fiber for core, regional, and longhaul.
But clearly, I downplayed the significance of it in my previous post. I don't think there is a real-world difference to the end user as long as the provider actually delivers the full 300/65.....
.... except perhaps for extreme gamers where a few milliseconds can mean the difference between winning and losing. | |
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| | | | | | Re: I don't get it.... I mentioned the encoding/decoding advantage, but its about ~1ms or 2ms.
Insignificant really. | |
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join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay Reviews:
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| Re: I don't get it.... I have both HFC and FIOS, and the difference is a solid 8-10ms.
This is quite easy to test. I have servers colocated in Tampa, in a facility who has 5 transit carriers-- one of them being Brighthouse. The colo is located in 400 N Tampa St, which is also where one of Brighthouse's downtown POPs is located. To make it even better, the BHN-owned router that terminates the fiber into this facility is (literally) 6 cabinets down the row from our cabinet. My pings across BHN Road Runner to these servers homed on BHN Enterprise Fiber, are 14-16ms.
I'm familiar with the fiber path between our part of the county into Hillsborough county. I can't tell you street by street, but I do know the general path, and which areas of the city it crosses before reaching downtown Tampa. It's reasonably direct, with some obvious twists and turns as would be any metro-regional path.
Next up is FIOS. We have offices connected via FIOS, which are even further away-- on the order of 20+ miles further. Ping times across FIOS, to these other hosts on FIOS, are in the 6-8ms range.
Now, let's forget hosts for a moment and talk routers. Ping times across a Brighthouse Road Runner connection to Brighthouse routers known to be in Tampa are on the order of 12-14ms. Ping times to Verizon routers known also to be in Tampa, are 4-6ms.
No matter how you approach it, across approximately the SAME physical path distance, the HFC network induces approximately 8-10ms of additional latency. | |
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The extra latency over copper is due to the encoding used to mitigate line noise and such.
On Fast path DSL you wont lag more than about 1.5ms or so given an equal fiber run. | |
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join:2002-03-26
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| Re: I don't get it.... said by DataRiker: There is no possible way that 2 different ISP's used the same route and equipment to a remote location. You clearly didn't read the post. I never said they used the same routes.
What I DID say is the physical paths are of comparable distance. | |
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The vast majority of the lag you see is certainly in either the Route or an overloaded or old piece of equipment (Router, CMTS, whatever...) | |
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join:2005-11-23
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join:2004-11-26
America Reviews:
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| nice Wish I could get even 25Mbps via my little cable co.
Going from 25 to 50 is very nice.
...only problem is that now a cap means you get even less TIME available to use your connection per day (at full speed). From another perspective, it could also save time by downloading larger files in less time.
Funny side-story. The installer for my cable said "you got the 10Mbps plan, why would you ever want more than that?" - to which I replied, "because I do.. and if you ever get it, let me know."
Silly small town cable company, with no website... In some respects, at least Comcast is fairly consistent with their company, and what they offer in most areas. | |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 |  Xfinity Platinum Internet comes with a bundle of services
Xfinity Platinum Internet offers the most-advanced digital homes download speeds of up to 305 Mbps and upload speeds of up to 65 Mbps. These customers will also receive at no additional charge: Xfinity Signature Support (a $9.95/month value), providing customers 24/7 tech support from experienced and knowledgeable specialists; a wireless gateway to create a fast, efficient and secure home network; a dedicated Personal Communications Consultant to support their high-speed Internet needs; and the Constant Guard(TM) Security Suite, the most comprehensive online protection services available from any major ISP.
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 | Re: Xfinity Platinum Internet comes with a bundle of services That's been my thought is that 305 is a showpiece, but won't be practical/affordable for many.
The bumps for lower tiers are actually going to draw more customers and be a higher revenue source overall. | |
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
1 edit | Where's my double scoop? Their BIG LIST of markets, shows how limited, this is, so far.
I want to know when those of us west of PA will be treated like citizens.
Send a few upgrades out west and quit playing such a verizon centric expandsion game. | |
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| | | Re: Where's my double scoop? You won't be included. In anything.
That's why Comcast and Verizon are colluding, these are the only places left without monopolies.
These are the only places we're going to pretend to have a competitive marketplace. | |
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| | Upload Wow, I'm really surprised they confirmed they are doing 65mbps on the upstream. They are really going to be pushing it close to offer that kind of speed given the small amount of spectrum that is available for upstream. (5-42mhz) If my math was correct isn't not unreasonable to estimate upstream for the entire node as ~125mbps (5 6mhz 64QAM channels) plus a few other legacy channels available for older modems. Perhaps they might also be testing out 256QAM or another solution for upstream in those markets....
Downstream shouldn't be an issue as they should have a ton of available channels from the digital transition. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| That upload channel... I'm very surprised that Comcast is launching with the sameupload speeds as FiOS, considering that I haven't yet seen a cable system in the US that has more than three upstreams available to bond, one of which is at a lower modulation on a smaller channel width versus the others. The result: around 70 Mbps of upload capacity, for that entire branch of the cable system. As a result, it's almost undoubtedly more expensive for Comcast to serve up this tier than for Verizon (who, by the way, could up their speeds tomorrow to 400/100 and put Comcast back at square one), since they're dedicating eight donwstream channels (38 x 8 = 304) and nearly three upstream channels to one customer.
I'm curious about the upload speeds on the lower-end packages after the speed doubling. Will they hit 15 and 20 Mbps up, respectively (so basically taking over the old higher residential tiers) or will they be lower?
One thing's for sure: Comcast will have to have the most advanced cable plant in the U.S. in order to pull this tier off...compared to what's now old news on the FTTH front (GPON). | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: That upload channel... Just read over in the forums that Blast is getting 50 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up, sustained. So a bit of a downgrade (in some cases anyway, depending on your area) from Extreme 50 (I love me some 15 Mbps uploads), however it's on the order of $45 cheaper per month, so honestly 10 Mbps uploads instead of 15 are reasonable. Particularly since Comcast has to have /some/ reason to upsell folks to Extreme post-upgrade, what with the big price delta and all (not that there wasn't a huge price delta between 50/15 and 105/20 before).
On the other hand, Extreme 50 is getting pushed to the full 105/20 that was Extreme 105. Not a huge upload boost to be honest, but it sounds like folks are getting above-advertised speeds on the tier anyway so it's still a nice upgrade.
If I was in an area that had these tier upgrades in effect, I'm honestly not sure which path I'd take. Even 50 Mbps on the downstream is more than enough for me. However I like fast uploads, so the conundrum would be whether to still pay $115 per month and get another 5 Mbps of upload speed, or pay $70 and drop 5 Mbps. | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | said by iansltx:...since they're dedicating eight donwstream channels (38 x 8 = 304) and nearly three upstream channels to one customer.... I'm sure they'll oversell and hope that only a very small percentage of customers want that kind of bandwidth at the same time. They'll also be relying on the fact that few Internet sites, given the overhead of most IP protocols, will be able to push that much to one customer even if the pipe is completely uncontested. SpeedTests and file transfers will be able to push the limit but I doubt there will be any performance improvement for web sites or streaming video.
Perhaps a house with three bandwidth hungry kids (my house), will notice it. On my 15/3 plan when one of them starts an upload, my Citrix/RDP sessions stink. I could probably prioritize the ACK traffic but it doesn't happen often enough for me to worry about the right series of cryptic Linux commands and whether or not my version of DD-WRT supports them. | |
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | said by iansltx:As a result, it's almost undoubtedly more expensive for Comcast to serve up this tier than for Verizon (who, by the way, could up their speeds tomorrow to 400/100 and put Comcast back at square one), since they're dedicating eight donwstream channels (38 x 8 = 304) and nearly three upstream channels to one customer.
You're right Verizon should increase the 300/65 tier to 400/100, the 150/65 to 200/65 and for good measure add a 200 symmetric tier. | |
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join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
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| Just noticed upstream channel bonding I came home from vacation and noticed that I had upstream channel bonding on my modem. This is in Springfield, MA (which is nowhere near FiOS turf but was one of the first Comcast markets upgraded to D3). Maybe the upgrades are just around the corner. The 30/5 tier is fine for my needs (Twitterbook, YouTube, light gaming, DSLR, Online Newspapers, E-Mail, online banking, and various other things) but I'll gladly take the 50/15 upgrade. | |
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join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
kudos:1 | Re: Just noticed upstream channel bonding said by IowaCowboy:I came home from vacation and noticed that I had upstream channel bonding on my modem. This is in Springfield, MA (which is nowhere near FiOS turf but was one of the first Comcast markets upgraded to D3). Maybe the upgrades are just around the corner. The 30/5 tier is fine for my needs (Twitterbook, YouTube, light gaming, DSLR, Online Newspapers, E-Mail, online banking, and various other things) but I'll gladly take the 50/15 upgrade.
Yep, looks like some MSOs are getting ready to use upstream channel bonding. I know TWC is getting ready »upstream bonding in NYC
Probably Comcast is way ahead of other MSOs in this area. | |
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join:2002-12-30
Laurel, MD
kudos:1 | Blow through your monthly cap in just two hours! ...and 14 minutes. | |
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| Re: Blow through your monthly cap in just two hours! said by Linklist:Only if cap remains. I doubt it will. This will be a premium service, like a business acct, and will most likely not have a cap. It will also be priced that way.
DONT' COUNT ON THAT, You have seemed to forget comcast has business class service and that is there ONLY service that is not capped, currently Business class cost $370 per month for 100/10 mbps unthrottled/uncapped. So you can bet your ass 305 mbps for $300 (as its been announced it will cost) will be capped and maybe throttled, If not current Business class customers would switch over in a heart beat, now they may raise the cap ( to 300-400 GB) but it will be there ! | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | Like the Price is Right Game Show 305Mbps -- just 5Mbps faster than FIOS. This is kind of like the Price Is Right Game Show where they try to get closest to an items price without going over. The last one to guess goes one penny higher than the highest bidder.
Why not offer 320Mbps or 350Mbps or, gasp, 400Mbps. Now that would be kicking the competitions butt. | |
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| | | Re: Like the Price is Right Game Show Offering it at 305 mbps is just for bragging rights over Verizon fios. Don't worry once rolled out Verizon will kick there plan up to 320 or so to take bragging rights back . | |
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join:2002-06-26
Soddy Daisy, TN
·EPB Fiber Optics
| Re: Like the Price is Right Game Show Probably why they didn't bring it to Chattanooga and EPB's territory. Here we can get 1Gbps/1Gbps for about the same price as their 305/65. They've gone back to offering cheap promotional deals here.
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I pay for the 50/15 but I am seeing as much as 112/21 now
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| | 300GB Limit for 305 Mbps lol They need to hire new mathematicians over there. | |
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| | | Re: 300GB Limit for 305 Mbps lol said by brianiscool:They need to hire new mathematicians over there.
You read my mind. | |
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join:2001-06-26
Williamstown, NJ | just because you can download something faster does not mean you are going to blow through your caps faster. are you being held back by your current download speeds? i doubt it. there is not a day that goes by that i say gee if only i had faster speeds i could download this file that i cant now | |
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join:2001-04-28
Allen Park, MI | Nice!! Glad to hear everyone is being doubled...I have Extreme 50...well soon to be Extreme 105!!! | |
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join:1999-08-22
Snellville, GA | Re: Nice!! So everyone currently on the 25 and 50 is getting the bump?? Not just the competitive NE blowfest?? | |
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| | the normal user Wish they'd give the normal user a speed bump, 15/2 Mbit is nice, but 20/3 would be nicer for the average person | |
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| Re: the normal user said by neufuse:Wish they'd give the normal user a speed bump, 15/2 Mbit is nice, but 20/3 would be nicer for the average person
Without going back too far...
6/1 > 12/2 > 15/2 (or 15/3, depending on who you ask)
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join:2011-02-11
Laurel, DE | This is stupid How about expand your services to the people who CANT GET your service instead of catering more to the people who ALREADY have your service!!! | |
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| Re: Comcast is late to the game said by mig288:I had comcast for about 10 years. While my service was pretty consistent, they failed to be innovative (gimme more upload). When FIOS came to town, they lost a subscriber to that fact. Now, I'm enjoying the services of Verizon. I'm curious to see the upstream on their new tiers.
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Don't worry, after your 1 or 2 year price lock/contract expires Verizon will be sure to jack up the prices again like they've done twice already this year. So, after 2 years expect 4 price increases. What you don't get is this has always been about a win-win for Verizon.. that's what price collusion is all about.. don't expect Comcast's prices and tiers to be innovative, and that pushed you to Verizon to pay $ more. I'm not saying it's a bad choice, but don't be fooled that you ever had a GOOD one..
I'll spare you the speech about how Verizon justifies the extra cost and why the prices are too high.. because iwhen you look at your bill, you'll know.. keep an eye on your bottom line price.. bill creep is a mysterious thing.
I'm hoping what you did (switch) will be good for me.. because when ONE cableco bumps speed tiers, that means others will follow.. sooner or later.. thanks! | |
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Woodstock, MD Reviews:
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Verizon is only going to upgrade tiers where it's competition is close...200/200 won't happen until more upstreams are available on D3...which won't be for awhile.
